Barnard student stabbed to death

[Anonymous]

I think it’s important to understand that bad policing is a combination of abuse (of innocent people) and neglect (read this article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/tessa-majors-killing-the-little-kids-suspected-in-fatal-stabbing-of-18-year-old-barnard-college-freshman?ref=scroll). Not enforcing the law when it obviously needs to be enforced, as in the case of these kids (aka community policing) AND randomly harassing, hurting and even killing people who have done nothing wrong.

[Anonymous]

PP here, and this, BTW, is the same pattern seen in abusive relationships and bad parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no doubt, none, that these killers are the epitome of evil and deserve ever descriptive adjective thrown at them.

I thought about other non-black killers and rapists. Other than evil and heinous, most description of, let's say Dylann Roof who also purposely killed, were mentally ill and crazy, I don't recall anybody saying 'stop and frisk' whites near black or Jewish places of worship. Nor calling him a swamp rat while describing the Barnard killers hood rats.

Why is it there is no hesitation to call the Barnard killers the despicable names they rightfully deserve but more civilized condemnation of people who slaughter babies in classrooms, theatres, etc?

Mentally ill and crazy are reserved for a certain class while the vilest nouns are reserved for another group. I think if the shoe fits on both sides of the fence, we, you know.

Wrong. Trash is trash no matter the color or neighborhood. You, dear friend, are a tad bit over sensitive. These hood rats are exactly why every PD should stop and frisk.

Completely agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

So what steps are you taking to reform and help our fatherless inner city youth?

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just say the fact that they arrested a CHILD for doing this just makes everything all the more tragic. Obviously I know a 13 year-old can be hardened and vicious, but to be brought up to believe that robbing and then striking out with a knife when it doesn’t go according to plan is even an option is horrific to me. Think of the 13 year olds you know, in your children’s schools. What would they have to go through to become that person? And to be the girl who was stabbed...ack it’s just so upsetting all around.

Before I get flamed I am not excusing the actions of the attacker. It’s just sad that a child was even in a situation that desperate in the first place.

I agree with you. It is a tragedy on both sides. We might both get flamed for this. But for a 13 year old to rob and stab someone means that that child was failed along the line.

Both sides, huh? You’re an imbecile.

You can say that from your high horse, but imagine the life that 13 year old kid has had up til this point. My guess is it has been pretty awful. Of course I feel tremendous sympathy for the family of the young woman who was murdered, but I also feel sympathy for a 13 year old who we can probably safely assume, came from a violent and unsafe environment.

So what steps are you taking to reform and help our fatherless inner city youth?

Dp Please tell us how one individual would go about helping fatherless city youth? How well would a white woman swooping in "to help" would go over with the community? Where would one start? Also, if she has a family and job when would she do this? Just mentioning a problem does not mean the solution is your individually helping out ( especially if you have no experience or knowledge) That is why we have public officials to help solve these overwhelming problems.

[Anonymous]

It is time to bring back orphanages. If a parent cannot feed, clothe, shelter their offspring, the government should take control. I don’t remember hearing of such vile acts when our country took control.

Alternatively, we could impose a 1-child rule for those needing government assistance. Perhaps one of these options would help our fatherless inner city youth. And I don’t mean or imply race when I say this. I mean and state that this is for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is time to bring back orphanages. If a parent cannot feed, clothe, shelter their offspring, the government should take control. I don’t remember hearing of such vile acts when our country took control.

Alternatively, we could impose a 1-child rule for those needing government assistance. Perhaps one of these options would help our fatherless inner city youth. And I don’t mean or imply race when I say this. I mean and state that this is for all.

Instead we incentivize single mothers, who do not have the financial means to care for multiple children in their own, to have even more and more kids. It’s a crazy system. And it needs to change. And that is has nothing to do with race.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny (more like sad) how people cling to “inner city crime is way down!” data which is so obviously faked and juked by sleaze politicians and dirty cops.

Crime in most large cities is way down. I have never felt unsafe in NYC, DC, or any other city. Bad things can happen anywhere. You are not safer by pretending otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny (more like sad) how people cling to “inner city crime is way down!” data which is so obviously faked and juked by sleaze politicians and dirty cops.

Crime in most large cities is way down. I have never felt unsafe in NYC, DC, or any other city. Bad things can happen anywhere. You are not safer by pretending otherwise.

Well yeah, you price enough criminals out of city proper crime will go down. But is the data you see still faked to appear far safer than things really are? 100%. Politicians run on it, real estate billionaires get rich off it, and police brass get promotions off that fake data.

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Anonymous wrote:Viral post from Columbia Law professor says she recently changed her route and avoided this park because she could tell it was getting far more dangerous. She said the university clearly knew and ignored the issue. But then she drops all kinds of references to PC buzzwords and I began rolling my eyes. Apparently it’s super complex and delicate to police a park in a poor violent neighborhood. And you have to walk on egg shells and get special permissions from the local poor

https://www.facebook.com/GenderSexLaw/posts/10156868006739085

Your link is a year old and about the Women’s March. Perhaps you mean this instead?
https://www.facebook.com/100009719827669/posts/1022583631408955/?d=n

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Professor Katherine Franke
December 13 at 9:08 AM

It is a horrible, horrible thing that Tessa Majors was stabbed to death in Morningside Park. Just horrible. Yet, this whole thing just reeks of Columbia's uncomfortable relationship with Harlem and our failure to address urban violence with anything other than policing. I used to walk through that park every day to and from work, but about a year and a half ago I noticed more and more drug-related activity, and groups of young kids following me through the park. I started taking another route to work. There were also reports of increased muggings and robberies - often committed by 12 and 13 year old kids (https://www.westsiderag.com/…/sucker-punch-attacks-in-morni…).

Last April, Bob Lederer, a long-time LGBT and AIDS activist was attacked and beaten at 4:30 in the afternoon in Morningside Park. He spent 8 days in the hospital with a traumatic brain injury. Activists in the community were concerned about this, but wanted to explore alternatives to police-related, carceral, responses to the safety issues in the park - especially since it was young kinds who were suspected of these muggings/robberies. They had a restorative justice approach to the issue, not a demand for more cops, (see Street Corner Resources, https://www.facebook.com/StreetCornerRes), but have had trouble getting the City or the Community Board to help, so the problem persisted with few efforts to address the problem of safety in the park.

Meanwhile Columbia did nothing. Didn't notify the Columbia community of an increase in violence in Morningside Park, so new members of the community like Tessa would be on alert. Didn't reach out to the community groups that were addressing safety issues in the park. Just kept public safety officers in a booth at the top of the park, but their job really focused west, toward the campus, not east, toward the park. Columbia has sufficient resources and will to annex most of West Harlem above 125th Street, but has long had difficulty with its relationship facing Morningside Park. It's worth noting that Tessa died almost on President Bollinger's doorstep.
Now they've arrested and charged a 13 year old boy in connection with Tessa's murder. The police say he confessed to the crime. But it's hard not to be reminded of the Central Park Five - did he have an attorney with him when he "confessed". News reports indicate that his aunt appeared with him, not an attorney. Apparently the police knew the identities of the 12 - 15 year old kids who were behind a string of muggings in the park - so they knew where to find this boy. But it just feels like something is terribly broken here. These are all kids, Tessa and the kids in the park. It's all just so heartbreaking. We have failed them all.

As first steps, Columbia may want to do two things: be sure that the 13 year old charged in this murder has effective counsel; and reach out to Street Corner Resources (the community restorative justice group) to develop a process for community healing that isn't limited to the Columbia campus, but to the entire community.

[Anonymous]

I hope the police are sure this kid is a responsible. If not,it will take a long time to catch the real perpetrator. It is his right to have counsel.

We need to invest more in community resources aimed at helping low income kids this age. This is a tough age for most kids, but is an especially vulnerable age for at risk kids. Many young men get swept up in gangs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Professor Katherine Franke
December 13 at 9:08 AM

It is a horrible, horrible thing that Tessa Majors was stabbed to death in Morningside Park. Just horrible. Yet, this whole thing just reeks of Columbia's uncomfortable relationship with Harlem and our failure to address urban violence with anything other than policing. I used to walk through that park every day to and from work, but about a year and a half ago I noticed more and more drug-related activity, and groups of young kids following me through the park. I started taking another route to work. There were also reports of increased muggings and robberies - often committed by 12 and 13 year old kids (https://www.westsiderag.com/…/sucker-punch-attacks-in-morni…).

Last April, Bob Lederer, a long-time LGBT and AIDS activist was attacked and beaten at 4:30 in the afternoon in Morningside Park. He spent 8 days in the hospital with a traumatic brain injury. Activists in the community were concerned about this, but wanted to explore alternatives to police-related, carceral, responses to the safety issues in the park - especially since it was young kinds who were suspected of these muggings/robberies. They had a restorative justice approach to the issue, not a demand for more cops, (see Street Corner Resources, https://www.facebook.com/StreetCornerRes), but have had trouble getting the City or the Community Board to help, so the problem persisted with few efforts to address the problem of safety in the park.

Meanwhile Columbia did nothing. Didn't notify the Columbia community of an increase in violence in Morningside Park, so new members of the community like Tessa would be on alert. Didn't reach out to the community groups that were addressing safety issues in the park. Just kept public safety officers in a booth at the top of the park, but their job really focused west, toward the campus, not east, toward the park. Columbia has sufficient resources and will to annex most of West Harlem above 125th Street, but has long had difficulty with its relationship facing Morningside Park. It's worth noting that Tessa died almost on President Bollinger's doorstep.
Now they've arrested and charged a 13 year old boy in connection with Tessa's murder. The police say he confessed to the crime. But it's hard not to be reminded of the Central Park Five - did he have an attorney with him when he "confessed". News reports indicate that his aunt appeared with him, not an attorney. Apparently the police knew the identities of the 12 - 15 year old kids who were behind a string of muggings in the park - so they knew where to find this boy. But it just feels like something is terribly broken here. These are all kids, Tessa and the kids in the park. It's all just so heartbreaking. We have failed them all.

As first steps, Columbia may want to do two things: be sure that the 13 year old charged in this murder has effective counsel; and reach out to Street Corner Resources (the community restorative justice group) to develop a process for community healing that isn't limited to the Columbia campus, but to the entire community.

She makes some good points (and some dubious ones) but I think the overall tone of this is off for 2 days after a stabbing in the face murder or a teenager.

[Anonymous]

Hope these kids rot in jail for a LOOONG time! Throw in their parents as well.

If you can't manage to bring up a child properly, don't breed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the police are sure this kid is a responsible. If not,it will take a long time to catch the real perpetrator. It is his right to have counsel.

We need to invest more in community resources aimed at helping low income kids this age. This is a tough age for most kids, but is an especially vulnerable age for at risk kids. Many young men get swept up in gangs.

It's not like these kids are model citizens. Based on one of the articles linked, these kids are responsible for other crimes in the area. Sure they may not have committed this murder (though I doubt it), they MUST be "convinced" to stay out of other people's hair. It's how we convince them is where there's a difference of opinion. A few days, weeks or months in a real slammer would sure convince a lot of people.