MCPS schools are segregated

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Anonymous wrote:At what point do people actually acknowledge this is all an effort to level the playing field by disadvantaging the children of the wealthy by sending them long distances to school. Of course, few with other options will go along with this; they will go private or move. MCPS is not only mediocre, but now delusional.

FARM rate is almost 50% in MCPS. Most of non FARM kids are from MC families, not wealthy families. If a family of four makes $80k a year, the kids have to attend public school. Private school is not an option for 90% of non FARM families.

Per MCPS website "Students receiving free & reduced-price meals (FARMS): 33.3%"

Plus only w-2 income goes to granting free meals and extra title 1 teachers and resources.

It’s in everyone’s best interest, including MCPS, for the unskilled cash pay black market to continue to thrive in DC. And the glorious remittances to Central America, hundreds of millions a year from MoCo. Cash wires, USD from the economic migrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes, charters ... sounds like what has worked in DC. Why can’t we try out something new in MoCo?

Again, charters have not outperformed traditional schools in DC.

"Washington DC charter schools did not significantly outperform public schools or even match them on the last two years of PARCC testing."

https://tultican.com/2019/09/08/dc-charter-school-performance-almost-matches-public-schools/

Correct. However, both the public charter schools AND the public schools show improvements in test scores, some as high as 10%. That is a good thing.

Okay, but it does not support an argument for charters, since they don't perform better than traditional schools.

I disagree. The competition and reduced overcrowding have arguably led to better results in traditional public schools and the charters. And frankly better results for the students. It’s not all about test scores.

DCPS wasn't crowded to begin with. No way to prove or disprove whether it's urged DCPS to step up its game. I know Republicans love charter schools, but the evidence does not suggest that they lead to better academic performance.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when I started to look at colleges and my parents told me that I had to go to a school with at cv last 10% Jewish population. I didn’t really understand it until I went to college (one with a large Jewish population) and was the first Jew that many people had met. The questions I was asked, the assumptions made, and the comments I heard made me sure of one thing- when I graduated I would always love in an area like I grew up. One where I was comfortable with my religion. So, yes, I picked my home based on the location of lots of synagogues but also so my children could grow up surrounded by people that share their same beliefs. This is what redistricting is about for me. I want my white children who are minorities to be in a school with people like them. And I don’t want a far ride away from that.

I had a very similar experience (also Jewish). Coming from an area that had a relatively large Jewish population, it was truly shocking that some people had never met a Jewish person. While I appreciate diversity, I also was compelled to live and raise my children in an area that had a substantial Jewish population. One where they would not be an anomaly. I'm sure this is true for many other people of diverse backgrounds. My sister had a very similar experience.

Why is this so shocking? You sound very sheltered and not traveled.

Most Hispanics and blacks you meet are christian. You never met any or thought about this as a teen?

Jews are 2-3% of the USA population. Ask yourself why you are so insular and “shocked” that you went outside your Jewish community age 0-18 and met others who don’t know a lot of Jews?

And I say this as an Israeli. I actually hate living here because I constantly have to teach my kids all this Jewish stuff, Hebrew, summer camps you fit in, because unlike in Israel, we can’t “just be” we have to do all sorts of stuff all the time.

I’d imagine this is the same for other small populations who want a strong sense of self in America.

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This is nothing new almost every place in the country has rich people who self select and drive up real estate prices for the "good" schools and "crappy" schools for the poors middle class is a mixed bag

Fairfax County (North West, West, SouthWest vs East/South East generally)
Montgomery County (West vs East generally)
Arlington County (North vs South generally)
Washington DC (WOTP vs EOTR generally)
Prince Georges (public schools almost universally suck, people of means go private except for a couple pyramids with you guessed it high real estate prices)

If you start messing with the rich areas and trying to break up these islands of prosperity. Guess what the rich will start going to private school en masse and you get a situation like Alexandria where the schools suck from middle school on because all the wealthy are in private school.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes, charters ... sounds like what has worked in DC. Why can’t we try out something new in MoCo?

Again, charters have not outperformed traditional schools in DC.

"Washington DC charter schools did not significantly outperform public schools or even match them on the last two years of PARCC testing."

https://tultican.com/2019/09/08/dc-charter-school-performance-almost-matches-public-schools/

Correct. However, both the public charter schools AND the public schools show improvements in test scores, some as high as 10%. That is a good thing.

Okay, but it does not support an argument for charters, since they don't perform better than traditional schools.

I disagree. The competition and reduced overcrowding have arguably led to better results in traditional public schools and the charters. And frankly better results for the students. It’s not all about test scores.

DCPS wasn't crowded to begin with. No way to prove or disprove whether it's urged DCPS to step up its game. I know Republicans love charter schools, but the evidence does not suggest that they lead to better academic performance.

Don’t kid yourself, progressive Democrats like them too.

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Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

London schools require academic tests and based on merit you are allowed in a what school. In fact, if your A level tests at age 15 suk, they won’t even let you take your another two years of public school.

But yes. Most cities in the world have grown in area and as housing/land costs increased. Can’t buy land for what you want? You move, Relocate or legally immigrate elsewhere.

Only in MoCo do you go cry racism and segregation and “I should have have the same grades as that other kid!” What a joke. I feel sorry for anyone with a brain that stays if they further decimate mcps and kids’ education.

If I’m reading this correctly, that sounds like a system the US should not follow. It’s no wonder they have higher test scores, it’s like in China, they only have the top kids in school while we have everyone. I’d rather we try to educate everyone than kick the bad test takers out of school prematurely.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this to be very true. My dd's elementary school, 73% white. Her middle school 63% white. Her high school was 52% white. Both middle and elementary schools are still 9 on great schools, high school has dropped to 6 this year. DD just started college. And this is one of "less" segregated areas in MCPS. New town-homes and houses built in the last 2 years were sold for 500K and 800K respectively. I can't imagine that socioeconomic distribution is equal, not even close. DD had white and black friends, but very few Hispanic friends in HS. They are predominantly poor, according to dd and do not do well in school. I think this tells us that school groups are segregated within the school too. I am in favor of busing and desegregation in MoCo. Only good things will come out of it. Rich parents will still pay for their kids tutors and enrichment even if their kids are attending Einstein, rich white parents should have nothing to fear when it comes to desegregating schools and even busing. The backlash here is pure racism, nothing else. Even the most enlightened limousine liberals still get scared when they see a person of color near them. If you don't want your kids to end up racist, you need to expose them to diversity. Only hearing real life stories from kids "unlike" them, who are really just like them, like all of us,be it black, Hispanic, poor or rich, will make your kids open minded and realize the very real racial and economic divide in the country. If your kids stay in your lily white neighborhood they will end up racist, there is no doubt of that at all.

Most people do not have unlimited time and money to homeschool their kids after sending them to Einstein. Forget it. I can’t parent other kids, and my kid can’t parent other kids. Don’t have kids unless you can parent them. I was told that all the time whilst growing up.

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Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new almost every place in the country has rich people who self select and drive up real estate prices for the "good" schools and "crappy" schools for the poors middle class is a mixed bag

Fairfax County (North West, West, SouthWest vs East/South East generally)
Montgomery County (West vs East generally)
Arlington County (North vs South generally)
Washington DC (WOTP vs EOTR generally)
Prince Georges (public schools almost universally suck, people of means go private except for a couple pyramids with you guessed it high real estate prices)

If you start messing with the rich areas and trying to break up these islands of prosperity. Guess what the rich will start going to private school en masse and you get a situation like Alexandria where the schools suck from middle school on because all the wealthy are in private school.

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Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

London schools require academic tests and based on merit you are allowed in a what school. In fact, if your A level tests at age 15 suk, they won’t even let you take your another two years of public school.

But yes. Most cities in the world have grown in area and as housing/land costs increased. Can’t buy land for what you want? You move, Relocate or legally immigrate elsewhere.

Only in MoCo do you go cry racism and segregation and “I should have have the same grades as that other kid!” What a joke. I feel sorry for anyone with a brain that stays if they further decimate mcps and kids’ education.

If I’m reading this correctly, that sounds like a system the US should not follow. It’s no wonder they have higher test scores, it’s like in China, they only have the top kids in school while we have everyone. I’d rather we try to educate everyone than kick the bad test takers out of school prematurely.

As a MoCo taxpayer I am especially proud that we graduate 12th graders who then go take subsidized remedial English and math at MoCo Community College. What a country!! No wonder we have the second most illegal immigrants per year to Los Angeles!

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Every city and country in the world assigns monetary value to land based on proximity to jobs, transportation, leisure, schools, resources (doctors, markets, worship, airports, low crime).

Every society isn’t the works assigns monetary value to ones relevant skills. Your humans capital earnings function is a function of your education level, your skills, your experience, your attitude, your ability speak required languages.

There is no mystery about the cost of a house anywhere in the world.

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So let’s try a charter school. See what happens. Seriously, why is MoCo so reluctant to try anything new?

"Let's" who? If you have an idea for a charter school, then you should propose it to MCPS. Here's the application process: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/deputy/charterschools/

For starters, the rumor is that they have only approved one (now defunct) and they made it an incredibly difficult process.

Even with a diligent screening process, the school still ended up financially mismanaged. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for charter schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s bring in some charter schools (non-profit) to the east side of the county and see how they can help, both with overcrowding and achievement gap.

Aren't charter schools used as an end-run around desgregation?

No. And they’ve proven, in DC, to improve the test scores of FARMS students in both the Charters and the public schools. I assume this is because it alleviates overcrowding. We need to fix things for these kids now. Not wait the many years it takes for mcps to build new schools etc.

I have to disagree. Charters are a way that privileged families get out of sending their kids to schools with poor kids. They typically weaken public schools because they take up tax dollars and do a marginal job of educating students.

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So let’s try a charter school. See what happens. Seriously, why is MoCo so reluctant to try anything new?

"Let's" who? If you have an idea for a charter school, then you should propose it to MCPS. Here's the application process: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/deputy/charterschools/

For starters, the rumor is that they have only approved one (now defunct) and they made it an incredibly difficult process.

Even with a diligent screening process, the school still ended up financially mismanaged. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for charter schools.

They're a scam, but Trumpers like Devos love them.

[Anonymous]

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So let’s try a charter school. See what happens. Seriously, why is MoCo so reluctant to try anything new?

"Let's" who? If you have an idea for a charter school, then you should propose it to MCPS. Here's the application process: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/deputy/charterschools/

For starters, the rumor is that they have only approved one (now defunct) and they made it an incredibly difficult process.

Even with a diligent screening process, the school still ended up financially mismanaged. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for charter schools.

They're a scam, but Trumpers like Devos love them.

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Also Obama and the Clintons. Teachers unions don’t like charters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is nothing new almost every place in the country has rich people who self select and drive up real estate prices for the "good" schools and "crappy" schools for the poors middle class is a mixed bag

Fairfax County (North West, West, SouthWest vs East/South East generally)
Montgomery County (West vs East generally)
Arlington County (North vs South generally)
Washington DC (WOTP vs EOTR generally)
Prince Georges (public schools almost universally suck, people of means go private except for a couple pyramids with you guessed it high real estate prices)

If you start messing with the rich areas and trying to break up these islands of prosperity. Guess what the rich will start going to private school en masse and you get a situation like Alexandria where the schools suck from middle school on because all the wealthy are in private school.

or even better all the entitled whiners move away which improves the overcrowding situation and leaves people who are interested in being part of the solution