MCPS schools are segregated

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Anonymous wrote:Pretend there’s some amazing charter that goes in somewhere (non-W School cluster) in the county. Then some developer decides to build new houses on some blighted commercial property next to the charter school. Are people going to buy those? Yes. Will property values of other homes close to that charter also improve? Yes.

Little by little, diversity of income comes to that part of the county. Once charter has served its purpose there, move it.

I don't think that you know much about land use in Montgomery County.

I think I do. It’s time to build nice stuff on the East side of the county and rejuvenate Georgia Avenue. Give the developers something exciting and innovative to latch onto, like charters.

That would be great, especially in the pits of Burtonsville. But let's build more useless, dangerous bike lanes instead!!

Well, bike lanes are nice too ...

Burtonsville is too far to bus to/from. There really isn’t much that can be done there.

So let’s try a charter school. See what happens. Seriously, why is MoCo so reluctant to try anything new?

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So let’s try a charter school. See what happens. Seriously, why is MoCo so reluctant to try anything new?

"Let's" who? If you have an idea for a charter school, then you should propose it to MCPS. Here's the application process: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/deputy/charterschools/

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a township district that had an optional, elective bussing program: inner city kids could go to suburban schools with capacity, can suburban kids could go to specialty schools downtown, IF they elected. A Small taxpayer funded bus provided curbside pickups and drop offs, for the 40+ minute drive.

Sadly, I never saw the inner city kids’ parents at anything, even their own kids’ basketball, football games, track meets, or band concerts. Most had to catch the 2:50pm bus back or they were stuck with 90 minutes of city busses.

No community feeling there.

It was a school within a school as everyone hung out “with their own people.” Large Chinese and Vietnamese population too.

I also heard the N word on a daily basis, from the blacks. This was in the 1990a. Maybe no one says that word any longer.

The difference is those parents had to work and didn't have flexibility to take off.

No. It was time and logistics of driving in rush hour at 5pm. Remember, these were inner city moms or parents who ELECTED to be bussed to suburb schools with capacity. And they didn’t show up. Imagine if they didn’t have white collar jobs or filled out an application and decided as a family to get bussed? Really uninvolved.

Likewise, My spouse and I wouldn’t do our 5pm commute and then turn around and go one way to Kid As half done game and the other way to Kid B’s activity at the other school. What a $hit$how!!

We’ll be moving. We have lots of job options elsewhere, no need for this difficulty and nonsense in our lives or our children’s lives.

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Anonymous wrote:The schools are segregated based on where affordable housing is available. Potomac does not have apartments for rent, so how will you find kids from low socioeconomic backgrounds there? They do not live in the vicinity. And parents of these kids do not want them to spend extra time on the bus to go to Churchill or Whitman.

Potomac has less costly rental options, just ask where all the divorced moms and dads live.

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Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

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Anonymous wrote:The schools are segregated based on where affordable housing is available. Potomac does not have apartments for rent, so how will you find kids from low socioeconomic backgrounds there? They do not live in the vicinity. And parents of these kids do not want them to spend extra time on the bus to go to Churchill or Whitman.

You won’t find the Spanish mexi Mart, church in espanol, or Peruvian chicken place though.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes, charters ... sounds like what has worked in DC. Why can’t we try out something new in MoCo?

Again, charters have not outperformed traditional schools in DC.

"Washington DC charter schools did not significantly outperform public schools or even match them on the last two years of PARCC testing."

https://tultican.com/2019/09/08/dc-charter-school-performance-almost-matches-public-schools/

Correct. However, both the public charter schools AND the public schools show improvements in test scores, some as high as 10%. That is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you fix the problem of non-citizens that don’t speak English failing in English speaking schools? Send rich kids to the same school. The ESOL kids will learn by osmosis from the rich! That’s how it works right?

Nice try, but the rich will NEVER go there. The will either move elsewhere with a great public school, or go private. You cannot force rich white people to be with poor people of color if that is not what they want. Most people want to be with people like them. Sorry, but this is human nature. The ones who will suffer are the poor with this fiasco. This will just make MCPS a mediocre sea of so so schools.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you fix the problem of non-citizens that don’t speak English failing in English speaking schools? Send rich kids to the same school. The ESOL kids will learn by osmosis from the rich! That’s how it works right?

Nice try, but the rich will NEVER go there. The will either move elsewhere with a great public school, or go private. You cannot force rich white people to be with poor people of color if that is not what they want. Most people want to be with people like them. Sorry, but this is human nature. The ones who will suffer are the poor with this fiasco. This will just make MCPS a mediocre sea of so so schools.

Says the segregationist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes, charters ... sounds like what has worked in DC. Why can’t we try out something new in MoCo?

Again, charters have not outperformed traditional schools in DC.

"Washington DC charter schools did not significantly outperform public schools or even match them on the last two years of PARCC testing."

https://tultican.com/2019/09/08/dc-charter-school-performance-almost-matches-public-schools/

Correct. However, both the public charter schools AND the public schools show improvements in test scores, some as high as 10%. That is a good thing.

Okay, but it does not support an argument for charters, since they don't perform better than traditional schools.

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So let’s try a charter school. See what happens. Seriously, why is MoCo so reluctant to try anything new?

"Let's" who? If you have an idea for a charter school, then you should propose it to MCPS. Here's the application process: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/deputy/charterschools/

For starters, the rumor is that they have only approved one (now defunct) and they made it an incredibly difficult process.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in bum f nowhere in the mountains. I didn’t meet a Jewish person until I was in my 20’s. I never though Jewish people had horns though, that sounds like a really bad prejudiced joke. Jewish people are humans after all.

This whole “segregation” thing is really the wrong term. True segregation had white and black schools. Black kids couldn’t go to the white school even if they lived in the district. This is economic self-segregation. I know many don’t understand this but lots of very low income people don’t have the money for a car and can’t get to their kid’s schools for conferences and events if the school is far away. They need to talk to the people they’re trying to de-segregate to make sure they actually want this before they do it. I do think that they need to fill up the schools with extra capacity so a boundary study is definitely needed. You shouldn’t have undercapacity schools and not use that capacity prior to building new schools.

Correct.

People here and now the BoE and Council are purposely mis-using the work segregation.

No city on earth has been razed down to the ground to make some leftist utopia housing project. There is no sense of community in America any longer! No one is assimilating! Not the Hispanics. It used to be all the areas have smaller enclaves yet everyone learned English ASAP, and went to the park to place baseball every night after school.

Now, people come and get special handouts, translators, and demand everything change to accommodate them. Instead of improving yourself, you break down the system into poorly functioning.

China must be LMAO at Americans self-destruction by failed multiculturalism.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you fix the problem of non-citizens that don’t speak English failing in English speaking schools? Send rich kids to the same school. The ESOL kids will learn by osmosis from the rich! That’s how it works right?

Nice try, but the rich will NEVER go there. The will either move elsewhere with a great public school, or go private. You cannot force rich white people to be with poor people of color if that is not what they want. Most people want to be with people like them. Sorry, but this is human nature. The ones who will suffer are the poor with this fiasco. This will just make MCPS a mediocre sea of so so schools.

It already is. Ask the realtors.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes, charters ... sounds like what has worked in DC. Why can’t we try out something new in MoCo?

Again, charters have not outperformed traditional schools in DC.

"Washington DC charter schools did not significantly outperform public schools or even match them on the last two years of PARCC testing."

https://tultican.com/2019/09/08/dc-charter-school-performance-almost-matches-public-schools/

Correct. However, both the public charter schools AND the public schools show improvements in test scores, some as high as 10%. That is a good thing.

Okay, but it does not support an argument for charters, since they don't perform better than traditional schools.

I disagree. The competition and reduced overcrowding have arguably led to better results in traditional public schools and the charters. And frankly better results for the students. It’s not all about test scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-segregation-exacerbates-student-achievement-disparities-report-says/

3/4 of black, Hispanic/Latino, and ESOL students are in high-poverty elementary schools
2/3 of white, Asian, and multiracial/ethnic students are in low-poverty elementary schools

I wanna live in central London, maybe Mayfair and send my kids to school there.
What can you do for me? I make $40k a year. London is segregated, only rich whites live there. They must bus us in, tell the board. Mayfair area is racist. They just give me cheap housing and schools with smart students. They are racist and segregating us all.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here? That London schools are also segregated?

London schools require academic tests and based on merit you are allowed in a what school. In fact, if your A level tests at age 15 suk, they won’t even let you take your another two years of public school.

But yes. Most cities in the world have grown in area and as housing/land costs increased. Can’t buy land for what you want? You move, Relocate or legally immigrate elsewhere.

Only in MoCo do you go cry racism and segregation and “I should have have the same grades as that other kid!” What a joke. I feel sorry for anyone with a brain that stays if they further decimate mcps and kids’ education.