We already wasted funds and precious time on being compassionate. Compassion is why we are in this mess in the first place. It is time that we cut off the weaker links because our civilization depends on it. One day we are going to wake up and wonder what happen to public education in the USA. Debating semantics and word choice are a complete waste of time. Breed, bred, birth, have....who the Hell cares? Schools across the country are suffering from the influx of poverty students and you want to debate about the utilization of the word breed?
We have more crucial things to loose sleep over. People in poverty having access to birth control is way more important. Not wasting resources is way more important. Decreasing crime is way more important. You need to spend some time in developing countries because this is what we as a nation are up against. Why do you oppose educating impoverished people about birth control and family planning? Would you rather see our public schools overpopulated with FARM students? Would you rather schools waste resources and time playing Mommy and Daddy to impoverished students? Besides wasting money on 18 years of childcare, would it not be cost effective to provide free abortions or birth control instead? I would rather fund a birth control project than to have public schools take on the struggle of dealing with impoverished students. We need to address poverty and prevent it. We do not need schools to use their limited resources on an issue that the larger society refuses to address. |
Was just going to reply the same. Interesting that ^^PP immediately jumped to FARMS = ESOL. FARMS rate in MCPS is twice the % of ESOL. I guess non ESOL poor kids don't count when it comes to additional resources. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/county.pdf |
This reminds me of the opening scene in the movie "300" where all the weak babies were thrown off a mountain, and there were piles of dead babies who were considered weak in the ravine. I watched a documentary once about I think the Inuits and how they lived about 100 years ago, where they would leave the old grandparents behind and move on (they were nomadic) because they were just a burden. Of course, those old people died fairly quickly. According to PP, this is how we should live. Leave the weakest ones behind. I would think our society would've evolved by the 21st century. Sadly not. |
| This is what evidence looks like. And it uses all schools in Maryland, not cherry-picked schools in MoCo. Shocker... it says that proportion of FARMS students is related to outcomes. I've got plenty more pieces of evidence if you'd like. https://education.umd.edu/research/centers/mep/research/k-12-education/does-school-composition-matter-estimating-relationship |
Yes, but when my grandparents came here in the 1930s, it was not an instant get public assistance ticket - they had to work, learn the language, take lesser jobs than they had in their home country, and worked their butts off to integrate into America. They wanted it for the freedom, not the welfare benefits. Once the whole world gets educated, the earth's population will dramatically decline - already happening in many countries, looking at you South Korea, China, etc... and that is causing lots of social issues. I am all for immigration, but it needs to be legal immigration and people who can add to society from the beginning - not take from society for a few generations. |
From the MD report: “The variation in PARCC school proficiency rates is highly correlated with the percentage of low- income students enrolled in a school. An increase in the percentage of low-income students in a school is associated with a decrease in a school proficiency rate on the PARCC assessments. The relationship is clearest at the state level, where the low-income student enrollment corresponds to nearly two thirds (R2=0.62) of the difference in proficiency rates between schools. ” No one denies that more low income students=low test scores at school levels as well as county levels. The problem is that many people believe the myth that low income students perform better in schools with less low income students. |
Exactly low income equals dumb, what don’t people get??
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Sorry. Impoverished kids already exist. Someone will always be behind, some will fall into poverty (and just ones teetering on the brink). You sound like you’d rid the world of these living people now so as to not waste another dollar. You might be the scariest poster on DCUM I’ve seen yet. |
People believe it because it's not a myth. |
I've got news for you about the people coming here now. |
Low income doesn't mean stupid. Low income means less opportunities and more struggles. |
While that's also true, it's also quite true that poor people (in general) are less intelligent than well off people. Intelligence is one of the attributes that leads to higher income. All testing shows this. In addition, when they look at social mobility using the NLSY (https://www.nlsinfo.org/content/cohorts/nlsy97) high IQ poor people move out of poverty at very high rates. Interestingly, the NLSY mobility statistics are the same across racial groups. |
The chicken or egg argument, is they were so smart why are they poor? Oppression you say, why are they so susceptible to oppression? Why are some people tigers and some people lambs and then how are all people equal? |
Intelligence is partially based off the genetics of the parents, but obviously is more based on nutrition, time spent reading, time in extracurriculars/museums/etc. All these environmental factors are far more important to building logic, reasoning, patience, memory, focus, and general brain functioning. Poverty creates stress (cortisol) on the brain, and create environmental issues that affect learning an development. It is not really cultural at this point. Schools can try to overcome the deficits created by poverty, but past 3rd grade it seems to get much, much harder unless their are serious interventions (mentoring, special programs, etc.) |
I read an article (maybe someone linked it on this thread) where exposure to a subject matter outside of school could lead to scoring better on tests, but all things being equal, upper income kids may not do any better. For example: students read about some subject matter that neither the low income nor the upper income student had been exposed to, then they had to answer some questions about it. Students from both income groups got it wrong. The upper income student didn't comprehend the text any better than the lower income student. Upper income students have parents who can help them with HW, expose them to science and LA outside of school. Lower income students do not. I grew up lower income, and my parents didn't speak any English, so no help with HW. My only exposure was the TV, and I'm not talking quality TV; I'm talking Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry. I didn't score well on my SATs (never took a practice test or went to tutoring), but with luck, some hard work, and family support, I was able to go to college (C rated state school), and eventually end up making good money. We expose our kids to all kinds of things, provide them with enrichment, including some workbooks, and they score much better on standardized tests. It's about opportunities and having the financial support that usually leads to outcome, and not always about IQ. Heck, the man in the WH didn't do well in school (low IQ perhaps) and only got to where he is because of his daddy's money. |