Myth: low income students do better in schools with <25% FARMs rate.

[Anonymous]

If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

Political optics. It is all the rage now to be against white and rich students. Bonus points if you are running for office because the more your heart bleeds the better your chance is in obtaining votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

Political optics. It is all the rage now to be against white and rich students. Bonus points if you are running for office because the more your heart bleeds the better your chance is in obtaining votes.

Awwww poor thing, being oppressed must be so hard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

The purpose of the boundary analysis is to explore potential modifications to current school boundaries that comport to the four factors in Policy FAA, Educational Facilities Planning: student demographics, geography, stability of assignments over time, and facility utilization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

The purpose of the boundary analysis is to explore potential modifications to current school boundaries that comport to the four factors in Policy FAA, Educational Facilities Planning: student demographics, geography, stability of assignments over time, and facility utilization.

A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

The purpose of the boundary analysis is to explore potential modifications to current school boundaries that comport to the four factors in Policy FAA, Educational Facilities Planning: student demographics, geography, stability of assignments over time, and facility utilization.

A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.

How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.

It's as though I hired a kitchen contractor and had this conversation with my neighbor:

Me: I've hired Kitchen Contractor X to redo my cabinets.
Neighbor: You better watch out, because my sister-in-law hired Kitchen Contractor X to knock out the wall between the kitchen and the dining room, and that's just what Kitchen Contractor X did!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If redistribute white and rich students are not going to lift the test scores of low income students, what is the purpose to redraw school boundary?

The purpose of the boundary analysis is to explore potential modifications to current school boundaries that comport to the four factors in Policy FAA, Educational Facilities Planning: student demographics, geography, stability of assignments over time, and facility utilization.

A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.

How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.

It's as though I hired a kitchen contractor and had this conversation with my neighbor:

Me: I've hired Kitchen Contractor X to redo my cabinets.
Neighbor: You better watch out, because my sister-in-law hired Kitchen Contractor X to knock out the wall between the kitchen and the dining room, and that's just what Kitchen Contractor X did!

That might be true, but people often hire contractors because they're very happy with similar work they've done in the past.

[Anonymous]

True or not? Data talks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:True or not? Data talks.

The data bandied about in educational circles claim that low-income students do better at low farms schools. This is widely accepted. Show me a credible study that says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.


How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.

Consultants always repeat their work. Anyone hiring a consultant knows that the end product will closely resemble what they have done for prior customers. Its the way consulting works. What is interesting about Brooklyn is that almost none of the wealthy students who were re-assigned to poorly performing schools showed up. They succeeded in getting some poor students into wealthier schools but they drove a bunch of people out of the school system.

This is a pretty predictable outcome. If people are willing to pay a sizable premium and/or accept a longer commute to work to be in a better school system then it is extremely unlikely that they will all of sudden no longer value this once the school system decides to bus their kid to a low performing school. They will be upset at their loss but they are unlikely to go with the flow and stop caring about their kids education so they'll just pull out their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.


How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.

Consultants always repeat their work. Anyone hiring a consultant knows that the end product will closely resemble what they have done for prior customers. Its the way consulting works. What is interesting about Brooklyn is that almost none of the wealthy students who were re-assigned to poorly performing schools showed up. They succeeded in getting some poor students into wealthier schools but they drove a bunch of people out of the school system.

This is a pretty predictable outcome. If people are willing to pay a sizable premium and/or accept a longer commute to work to be in a better school system then it is extremely unlikely that they will all of sudden no longer value this once the school system decides to bus their kid to a low performing school. They will be upset at their loss but they are unlikely to go with the flow and stop caring about their kids education so they'll just pull out their kids.

So it's win-win since we no longer have to educate the children of whiney and priveleged when they go private! It's not like wealthy people really pay taxes anyway. More resources for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.


How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.


Consultants always repeat their work. Anyone hiring a consultant knows that the end product will closely resemble what they have done for prior customers. Its the way consulting works. What is interesting about Brooklyn is that almost none of the wealthy students who were re-assigned to poorly performing schools showed up. They succeeded in getting some poor students into wealthier schools but they drove a bunch of people out of the school system.

This is a pretty predictable outcome. If people are willing to pay a sizable premium and/or accept a longer commute to work to be in a better school system then it is extremely unlikely that they will all of sudden no longer value this once the school system decides to bus their kid to a low performing school. They will be upset at their loss but they are unlikely to go with the flow and stop caring about their kids education so they'll just pull out their kids.


So it's win-win since we no longer have to educate the children of whiney and priveleged when they go private! It's not like wealthy people really pay taxes anyway. More resources for everyone else.

OK I can see how this would help reduce overcrowding in desirable schools but how is this a win for the original stated purpose when the poorer performing schools will remain poor and low performing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.


How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.


Consultants always repeat their work. Anyone hiring a consultant knows that the end product will closely resemble what they have done for prior customers. Its the way consulting works. What is interesting about Brooklyn is that almost none of the wealthy students who were re-assigned to poorly performing schools showed up. They succeeded in getting some poor students into wealthier schools but they drove a bunch of people out of the school system.

This is a pretty predictable outcome. If people are willing to pay a sizable premium and/or accept a longer commute to work to be in a better school system then it is extremely unlikely that they will all of sudden no longer value this once the school system decides to bus their kid to a low performing school. They will be upset at their loss but they are unlikely to go with the flow and stop caring about their kids education so they'll just pull out their kids.


So it's win-win since we no longer have to educate the children of whiney and priveleged when they go private! It's not like wealthy people really pay taxes anyway. More resources for everyone else.

OK I can see how this would help reduce overcrowding in desirable schools but how is this a win for the original stated purpose when the poorer performing schools will remain poor and low performing?

DP.. more affluent families in that school would bring to the table what they bring to the more affluent schools -- money and time.

Higher achieving kids in the lower performing school would have a wider academic peer group. That's pretty important. It ups the game for them in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.


How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.


Consultants always repeat their work. Anyone hiring a consultant knows that the end product will closely resemble what they have done for prior customers. Its the way consulting works. What is interesting about Brooklyn is that almost none of the wealthy students who were re-assigned to poorly performing schools showed up. They succeeded in getting some poor students into wealthier schools but they drove a bunch of people out of the school system.

This is a pretty predictable outcome. If people are willing to pay a sizable premium and/or accept a longer commute to work to be in a better school system then it is extremely unlikely that they will all of sudden no longer value this once the school system decides to bus their kid to a low performing school. They will be upset at their loss but they are unlikely to go with the flow and stop caring about their kids education so they'll just pull out their kids.


So it's win-win since we no longer have to educate the children of whiney and priveleged when they go private! It's not like wealthy people really pay taxes anyway. More resources for everyone else.


OK I can see how this would help reduce overcrowding in desirable schools but how is this a win for the original stated purpose when the poorer performing schools will remain poor and low performing?

DP.. more affluent families in that school would bring to the table what they bring to the more affluent schools -- money and time.

Higher achieving kids in the lower performing school would have a wider academic peer group. That's pretty important. It ups the game for them in the classroom.

Whoa reading comprehension please! The point of the post that you are responding to is that it is predictable that the affluent families will NOT show up at the lower performing school. This happened in Brooklyn and is pretty predictable based on the prior actions of the affluent. You won't end up with higher achieving kids in lower performing schools or a wider academic peer group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A consulting firm is selected by BOE today. Please check thie website and see what they did for Brooklyn District 15.


How is this relevant? They did what Brooklyn District 15 hired them to do, which is not the same as what the Montgomery County Board of Education has hired them to do.


Consultants always repeat their work. Anyone hiring a consultant knows that the end product will closely resemble what they have done for prior customers. Its the way consulting works. What is interesting about Brooklyn is that almost none of the wealthy students who were re-assigned to poorly performing schools showed up. They succeeded in getting some poor students into wealthier schools but they drove a bunch of people out of the school system.

This is a pretty predictable outcome. If people are willing to pay a sizable premium and/or accept a longer commute to work to be in a better school system then it is extremely unlikely that they will all of sudden no longer value this once the school system decides to bus their kid to a low performing school. They will be upset at their loss but they are unlikely to go with the flow and stop caring about their kids education so they'll just pull out their kids.


So it's win-win since we no longer have to educate the children of whiney and priveleged when they go private! It's not like wealthy people really pay taxes anyway. More resources for everyone else.


OK I can see how this would help reduce overcrowding in desirable schools but how is this a win for the original stated purpose when the poorer performing schools will remain poor and low performing?

DP.. more affluent families in that school would bring to the table what they bring to the more affluent schools -- money and time.

Higher achieving kids in the lower performing school would have a wider academic peer group. That's pretty important. It ups the game for them in the classroom.

Whoa reading comprehension please! The point of the post that you are responding to is that it is predictable that the affluent families will NOT show up at the lower performing school. This happened in Brooklyn and is pretty predictable based on the prior actions of the affluent. You won't end up with higher achieving kids in lower performing schools or a wider academic peer group.

NP. But you will be able to show those Feds you are trying yet something else to meet their goal that everyone be above average. So the Fed $ will flow for another couple of years.