The Bible is an immoral book

[Anonymous]

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Yeah -- if atheists were really trying to win people to their side, they'd take the Christian's example and tell people they're going to burn in hell forever.

Again with the literalism to defeat a claim that no one is making. What is it that you think "hell" is or means?

Ok, So you - most likely a liberal Christian - are not making that claim. Many Christians do -- and it's a standard part of the faith

I’m a different poster who also doesn’t believe in a literal hell. These sweeping, and often wrong, generalizations are beneath you.

[Anonymous]

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

While MOST "Christians do not actively proselytize", NO atheists go door to door.

[Anonymous]

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

The above poster may not be the originator of the thread.

At any rate, "helping" people with doubts -- about anything - isn't a bad thing -- unless the doutbers are told that their doubts must resolve only one way, or else eternal punishment will ensue.

Intellectual honesty is such a good, and increasingly rare, thing.

Please stop distorting the Christian position. As you probably know, because it’s been said many times before on DCUM and even in this thread, many do not believe in a literal hell, and many believe that atheists who live moral lives will go to Paradise. Heck, I’m not Catholic, but even the Pope said as much recently.

You’re also distorting the point being made above about HOW OP is going about this, not WHETHER she should post about atheism. The point above is that OP’s childish, abusive approach isn’t helping atheists. Instead it’s probably inspiring “I don’t want to be like that!” in the minds of people who are struggling with faith.

pp is quite the mind reader. #1 - there is no one "Christian position" to distort. If Christians had one position on things, there wouldn't be so many different denominations and teh Reformation probably never would have happened.

#2 While it's possible that people "struggling with their faith" might not aspire to OP's personality, that is immaterial to OP's atheism.

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

While MOST "Christians do not actively proselytize", NO atheists go door to door.

No true. Even atheist proselytize, they just don't call it that. There is this thing called google, check it out.

[Anonymous]

I am the OP, and there are a few posts ascribing things to me I did not make, so let me clear up a few items:

- The title of the thread is "The Bible is an immoral book", and that is the main point I was making, separate from my Atheism.

- I understand that there are many Christians who are not biblical literalists -- that is a GOOD thing, and it enables both Christians and Atheists to agree on that main premise of the thread, that "The Bible is an immoral book".

- It also allow Atheists and Christians to together denounce things like the execrable Franklin Graham who said "As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women." just this week.

- Even non-literalist Christians would admit that fundamentalist Christians are still a significant force in society and speaking out against prejudice and erosion of personal liberties is important.

Happy to clarify or answer any questions beyond the above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, and there are a few posts ascribing things to me I did not make, so let me clear up a few items:

- The title of the thread is "The Bible is an immoral book", and that is the main point I was making, separate from my Atheism.

- I understand that there are many Christians who are not biblical literalists -- that is a GOOD thing, and it enables both Christians and Atheists to agree on that main premise of the thread, that "The Bible is an immoral book".

- It also allow Atheists and Christians to together denounce things like the execrable Franklin Graham who said "As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women." just this week.

- Even non-literalist Christians would admit that fundamentalist Christians are still a significant force in society and speaking out against prejudice and erosion of personal liberties is important.

Happy to clarify or answer any questions beyond the above.

LOL

[Anonymous]

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

While MOST "Christians do not actively proselytize", NO atheists go door to door.

No true. Even atheist proselytize, they just don't call it that. There is this thing called google, check it out.

Sure sounds like pp couldn't find anything online about atheists going door to door trying to sell atheism -- thus the link-less challenge to check out "this thing called google"

PP also fails to identify what atheists call their proselytizing -- maybe it's publicly saying that they are atheist or writing things like "The Bible is an Immoral book."

I wonder what pp thinks about Christians publicly stating that they are Christian or that the Bible is a moral book?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, and there are a few posts ascribing things to me I did not make, so let me clear up a few items:

- The title of the thread is "The Bible is an immoral book", and that is the main point I was making, separate from my Atheism.

- I understand that there are many Christians who are not biblical literalists -- that is a GOOD thing, and it enables both Christians and Atheists to agree on that main premise of the thread, that "The Bible is an immoral book".

- It also allow Atheists and Christians to together denounce things like the execrable Franklin Graham who said "As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women." just this week.

- Even non-literalist Christians would admit that fundamentalist Christians are still a significant force in society and speaking out against prejudice and erosion of personal liberties is important.

Happy to clarify or answer any questions beyond the above.

I don't have any problem with them unless they come to my door Saturday morning giving out those magazines, or try to take over the local school board and try to get creationism taught in the schools. But those are extreme examples. Mostly they don't do any harm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

While MOST "Christians do not actively proselytize", NO atheists go door to door.

A pp, or a couple of pp’s , said this whole thread is about atheists proselytizing—“helping those who may be struggling with their faith.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, and there are a few posts ascribing things to me I did not make, so let me clear up a few items:

- The title of the thread is "The Bible is an immoral book", and that is the main point I was making, separate from my Atheism.

- I understand that there are many Christians who are not biblical literalists -- that is a GOOD thing, and it enables both Christians and Atheists to agree on that main premise of the thread, that "The Bible is an immoral book".

- It also allow Atheists and Christians to together denounce things like the execrable Franklin Graham who said "As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women." just this week.

- Even non-literalist Christians would admit that fundamentalist Christians are still a significant force in society and speaking out against prejudice and erosion of personal liberties is important.

Happy to clarify or answer any questions beyond the above.

LOL

You have an odd sense of humor, and if you wish to be understood you will need to edify.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

While MOST "Christians do not actively proselytize", NO atheists go door to door.

No true. Even atheist proselytize, they just don't call it that. There is this thing called google, check it out.

Sure sounds like pp couldn't find anything online about atheists going door to door trying to sell atheism -- thus the link-less challenge to check out "this thing called google"

PP also fails to identify what atheists call their proselytizing -- maybe it's publicly saying that they are atheist or writing things like "The Bible is an Immoral book."

I wonder what pp thinks about Christians publicly stating that they are Christian or that the Bible is a moral book?

NP here, but I think the OP point of the post was to argue against that very claim. And she provided some evidence in the form of Bible verses supporting slavery. Some posters pushed back and said she was taking the verses out of context, but failed to provide the context that would make the support of slavery "moral" save for some arguments about the Old Testament law is not replaced by New Testament. That was countered by some words of Jesus that stated the opposite. Then we also have our own American history of slavery and using the Bible to support the institution.

There were a couple posters who made the argument that the Bible is not moral or immoral. I think that's a valid argument and wished they'd posted more. I probably agree with them.

However, given that the Bible is cited often amongst politicians as the moral foundation for our laws it's important that there is push back on that. I think it's just ridiculous to use an ancient book that so clearly supports slavery as any moral foundation to modern law.

[Anonymous]

Why is any Jew or Christian iindulging this troll...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

While MOST "Christians do not actively proselytize", NO atheists go door to door.

No true. Even atheist proselytize, they just don't call it that. There is this thing called google, check it out.

Sure sounds like pp couldn't find anything online about atheists going door to door trying to sell atheism -- thus the link-less challenge to check out "this thing called google"

PP also fails to identify what atheists call their proselytizing -- maybe it's publicly saying that they are atheist or writing things like "The Bible is an Immoral book."

I wonder what pp thinks about Christians publicly stating that they are Christian or that the Bible is a moral book?

NP here, but I think the OP point of the post was to argue against that very claim. And she provided some evidence in the form of Bible verses supporting slavery. Some posters pushed back and said she was taking the verses out of context, but failed to provide the context that would make the support of slavery "moral" save for some arguments about the Old Testament law is not replaced by New Testament. That was countered by some words of Jesus that stated the opposite. Then we also have our own American history of slavery and using the Bible to support the institution.

There were a couple posters who made the argument that the Bible is not moral or immoral. I think that's a valid argument and wished they'd posted more. I probably agree with them.

However, given that the Bible is cited often amongst politicians as the moral foundation for our laws it's important that there is push back on that. I think it's just ridiculous to use an ancient book that so clearly supports slavery as any moral foundation to modern law.

Posters repeatedly told you the exact opposite: Old Testament law IS replaced by New Testament law. They said this again and again, and even provided verses from Matthew to support it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is any Jew or Christian iindulging this troll...

Good question. She keeps distorting responses to the exact opposite of what multiple posters are telling her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, and there are a few posts ascribing things to me I did not make, so let me clear up a few items:

- The title of the thread is "The Bible is an immoral book", and that is the main point I was making, separate from my Atheism.

- I understand that there are many Christians who are not biblical literalists -- that is a GOOD thing, and it enables both Christians and Atheists to agree on that main premise of the thread, that "The Bible is an immoral book".

- It also allow Atheists and Christians to together denounce things like the execrable Franklin Graham who said "As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women." just this week.

- Even non-literalist Christians would admit that fundamentalist Christians are still a significant force in society and speaking out against prejudice and erosion of personal liberties is important.

Happy to clarify or answer any questions beyond the above.

I think basically if you don’t believe in the Bible you’ll think it’s immoral, and if you do believe in it then it’s not immoral. Since bible believers and non believers don’t have the same moral foundation, it’s a never ending argument to decide if it’s immoral or not. It’s just an everlasting debate based on your opinion