The Bible is an immoral book

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

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This whole thread is an embarrassment for atheists. OP (and others?) are stomping around re-inventing medieval history, demonstrating they don’t know the most basic things like the difference between the Old and New Testaments, being deliberately obtuse about obvious things, and lobbing ad hominems straight out of elementary school (a middle school cat fight is too subtle for OP).

How about instead, atheists set an example of people who are mature, reasonable, and comfortable with their non-belief?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea of the belief of God is "eroding in society" shows you are in a little bubble with your atheist friends.

Once again, facts can be inconvenient things.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/

[Anonymous]

OK, your'e now referencing CNN polls and National Geographic article that plugs a Morgan Freeman documentary. This is profound stuff. Here is one for you:

http://blakesnow.com/elmo-is-a-corn-eating-atheist/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, your'e now referencing CNN polls and National Geographic article that plugs a Morgan Freeman documentary. This is profound stuff.

You are impugning National Geographic? When they have the data to back it up? So very sad...

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is an embarrassment for atheists. OP (and others?) are stomping around re-inventing medieval history, demonstrating they don’t know the most basic things like the difference between the Old and New Testaments, being deliberately obtuse about obvious things, and lobbing ad hominems straight out of elementary school (a middle school cat fight is too subtle for OP).

How about instead, atheists set an example of people who are mature, reasonable, and comfortable with their non-belief?

ANd quiet, too. In Christian eyes, the best kind of atheist is very quiet about their beliefs.

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

The above poster may not be the originator of the thread.

At any rate, "helping" people with doubts -- about anything - isn't a bad thing -- unless the doutbers are told that their doubts must resolve only one way, or else eternal punishment will ensue.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is an embarrassment for atheists. OP (and others?) are stomping around re-inventing medieval history, demonstrating they don’t know the most basic things like the difference between the Old and New Testaments, being deliberately obtuse about obvious things, and lobbing ad hominems straight out of elementary school (a middle school cat fight is too subtle for OP).

How about instead, atheists set an example of people who are mature, reasonable, and comfortable with their non-belief?

ANd quiet, too. In Christian eyes, the best kind of atheist is very quiet about their beliefs.

bingo

that's the real issue here. non-religious people are speaking up.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, your'e now referencing CNN polls and National Geographic article that plugs a Morgan Freeman documentary. This is profound stuff. Here is one for you:

http://blakesnow.com/elmo-is-a-corn-eating-atheist/

Ah yes, Blake Snow, of the Blake Snow blog -- " content advisor, recognized journalist, bodacious writer-for-hire"

He seems clever enough, but not at the level of CNN and NG

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Anonymous wrote:Context matters, I'm sure. Do you know much about the bible? A list of random quotes doesn't tell anyone much, one way or the other.

Also, about that bee in your bonnet. Some threads, like this one are inviting conversation on a topic to explore various sides of it. The thread that appears to have triggered you was the equivalent of someone saying "Happy Birthday" and you arguing about whether or not it was really happy, and why should it be, and how do we even know you were really born on this day no matter what the birth certificate says, and so on. Some things aren't asking for discussion and debate, like common holiday exclamations and traditional phrases like "happy birthday," "allelujah, he is risen," "merry christmas," "mazel tov," etc. They aren't arguments.

I suspect OP is reacting to the many times when Christians told non-believers not to participate their discussions. OP clearly stated "this thread is for people who believe the bible to be an immoral book." Yet it seems CHristians feel a need to defend their book, knowing their opinion is not wanted.

How does it feel to have your point of view discounted in a public discussion group?

Where are the Christians defending their book?

They aren't engaging with you and your nonsense (aside from me because I cannot help myself).

Trying to talk sense to someone like you is like trying to talk sense to a Trumpster. It cannot be done.

I see you've started two topics tonight. Maybe you should ask Jeff to let you have your own forum?

God bless you, PP.

Now its not enough for us to have our own threads, we need to have our own forum? You can't just not click on the threads that are not for you?

What do you fear from us?

I fear nothing from you but think you should ask for your own forum so you can speak amongst people who agree with you. All you do is incite arguments and it seems all you want is people who agree with you. Hence the recommendation to ask for your own forum here.

Discussions of religion don't belong in the religion forum? The thread is clearly titled, and people offended by it are invited to leave before the thread begins. You can't just not click on it?

And "speak amongst [sic] people who agree with you"? That's a fearful (and boring!) existence. I welcome people who disagree with me, and if they show evidence or their points make sense to me, I'll change my position.

You should try it. It's awesome.

Yes, we know you “welcome” arguments.

DP. I can’t get my head around an atheist thread, let alone an atheist forum. After you’ve said, “I don’t believe in a god/gods,” what else is there to say? Which is why you get all the “I’m an atheist, debate me” memes (yes, I know now to post the pic here, but I’m being serious). “Debate” for atheists seems to consist of naively citing passages they don’t understand out of context, making worn-out jokes about the flying spaghetti monster, and repeating endless tropes about sheep and fairy tales.

OP/PP is clearly similarly confused. Which is why she can’t make up her mind about whether to ban religious people from her thread, or invite them in with questions and being deliberately obtuse about the response.

I'm starting to feel bad for you. You sound bitter, threatened, and hurt. I realize it is because a central tenet you have chosen for your life is nearly indefensible and unsupportable in the modern age, and you are watching it rapidly erode in society around you. I'd probably feel just as threatened.

But let me be clear about the intention of Atheist posters, authors, blogs, podcasts, and the like: Many people are struggling with these questions and fighting against the ideas that have been ingrained into them (without choice) since birth. If posts can help one of them on their journey, then it is a good thing. All voices should be heard and all evidence should be presented so people can make up their own minds.

Well, I suppose it’s a good thing that you’ve moved on from the snack-them-in-the-face ad homonyms to the more subtle patronizing-based-on-your-own-projections? Maybe it shows a slight maturation in both personality and rhetorical skills?

But let’s be clear. Juvenile insults about fairytales aren’t going to help anybody on their journey. You just like to insult people.

If anything, the juvenile insults, even subtle ad homonyms, and deliberate obtuseness make atheism look unappealing. You’re not helping anyone on their journey to atheism, actually you’re turning people off.

Yeah -- if atheists were really trying to win people to their side, they'd take the Christian's example and tell people they're going to burn in hell forever.

Again with the literalism to defeat a claim that no one is making. What is it that you think "hell" is or means?

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

Knoking on doors is a quite a bit more agressive than posting on an internet forum.

You speak far, far too broadly here. The vast majority of Christians do not actively proselytize, nor is it encouraged by most Christian churches (of which there are many varieties). Most Christians agree with you that it is not OK to go around trying to convert people.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is an embarrassment for atheists. OP (and others?) are stomping around re-inventing medieval history, demonstrating they don’t know the most basic things like the difference between the Old and New Testaments, being deliberately obtuse about obvious things, and lobbing ad hominems straight out of elementary school (a middle school cat fight is too subtle for OP).

How about instead, atheists set an example of people who are mature, reasonable, and comfortable with their non-belief?

ANd quiet, too. In Christian eyes, the best kind of atheist is very quiet about their beliefs.

bingo

that's the real issue here. non-religious people are speaking up.

Oh, For the good old days, when atheists -- and gays and trans-gendered people and Blacks -- knew their place.

Not only did they not speak up, but in some cases (with skin color being an ovbious exception) they could blend into society without anyone being aware of their differences with the White, Christian status-quo.

Meanwhile, the status-quo could make up and tell any stories they wanted to about atheists -- e.g., - they're devil worshippers, they hate god, they insist that they know there is no god, they lead empty, meaningless lives. They are to be reviled and their children are to be pitied.

Now that atheists are speaking for themselves, those myths can't survive. Now we only see lame attempts to get atheists to be quiet again. Those days are gone.

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Anonymous wrote:Context matters, I'm sure. Do you know much about the bible? A list of random quotes doesn't tell anyone much, one way or the other.

Also, about that bee in your bonnet. Some threads, like this one are inviting conversation on a topic to explore various sides of it. The thread that appears to have triggered you was the equivalent of someone saying "Happy Birthday" and you arguing about whether or not it was really happy, and why should it be, and how do we even know you were really born on this day no matter what the birth certificate says, and so on. Some things aren't asking for discussion and debate, like common holiday exclamations and traditional phrases like "happy birthday," "allelujah, he is risen," "merry christmas," "mazel tov," etc. They aren't arguments.

I suspect OP is reacting to the many times when Christians told non-believers not to participate their discussions. OP clearly stated "this thread is for people who believe the bible to be an immoral book." Yet it seems CHristians feel a need to defend their book, knowing their opinion is not wanted.

How does it feel to have your point of view discounted in a public discussion group?

Where are the Christians defending their book?

They aren't engaging with you and your nonsense (aside from me because I cannot help myself).

Trying to talk sense to someone like you is like trying to talk sense to a Trumpster. It cannot be done.

I see you've started two topics tonight. Maybe you should ask Jeff to let you have your own forum?

God bless you, PP.

Now its not enough for us to have our own threads, we need to have our own forum? You can't just not click on the threads that are not for you?

What do you fear from us?

I fear nothing from you but think you should ask for your own forum so you can speak amongst people who agree with you. All you do is incite arguments and it seems all you want is people who agree with you. Hence the recommendation to ask for your own forum here.

Discussions of religion don't belong in the religion forum? The thread is clearly titled, and people offended by it are invited to leave before the thread begins. You can't just not click on it?

And "speak amongst [sic] people who agree with you"? That's a fearful (and boring!) existence. I welcome people who disagree with me, and if they show evidence or their points make sense to me, I'll change my position.

You should try it. It's awesome.

Yes, we know you “welcome” arguments.

DP. I can’t get my head around an atheist thread, let alone an atheist forum. After you’ve said, “I don’t believe in a god/gods,” what else is there to say? Which is why you get all the “I’m an atheist, debate me” memes (yes, I know now to post the pic here, but I’m being serious). “Debate” for atheists seems to consist of naively citing passages they don’t understand out of context, making worn-out jokes about the flying spaghetti monster, and repeating endless tropes about sheep and fairy tales.

OP/PP is clearly similarly confused. Which is why she can’t make up her mind about whether to ban religious people from her thread, or invite them in with questions and being deliberately obtuse about the response.

I'm starting to feel bad for you. You sound bitter, threatened, and hurt. I realize it is because a central tenet you have chosen for your life is nearly indefensible and unsupportable in the modern age, and you are watching it rapidly erode in society around you. I'd probably feel just as threatened.

But let me be clear about the intention of Atheist posters, authors, blogs, podcasts, and the like: Many people are struggling with these questions and fighting against the ideas that have been ingrained into them (without choice) since birth. If posts can help one of them on their journey, then it is a good thing. All voices should be heard and all evidence should be presented so people can make up their own minds.

Well, I suppose it’s a good thing that you’ve moved on from the snack-them-in-the-face ad homonyms to the more subtle patronizing-based-on-your-own-projections? Maybe it shows a slight maturation in both personality and rhetorical skills?

But let’s be clear. Juvenile insults about fairytales aren’t going to help anybody on their journey. You just like to insult people.

If anything, the juvenile insults, even subtle ad homonyms, and deliberate obtuseness make atheism look unappealing. You’re not helping anyone on their journey to atheism, actually you’re turning people off.

Yeah -- if atheists were really trying to win people to their side, they'd take the Christian's example and tell people they're going to burn in hell forever.

Again with the literalism to defeat a claim that no one is making. What is it that you think "hell" is or means?

Ok, So you - most likely a liberal Christian - are not making that claim. Many Christians do -- and it's a standard part of the faith

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and apparently it's OK for Christians to attempt to convert atheists, but not vice-versa. I suppose because there's something in the Bible about converting the heathen and giving everyone that CHristians come in contact with a chance to get to heaven. CHristians go door to door proseletizing -- atheists don't.

You admitted above that the whole point of this thread is to proselytize for atheism. To “help” those who are having doubts.

The above poster may not be the originator of the thread.

At any rate, "helping" people with doubts -- about anything - isn't a bad thing -- unless the doutbers are told that their doubts must resolve only one way, or else eternal punishment will ensue.

Intellectual honesty is such a good, and increasingly rare, thing.

Please stop distorting the Christian position. As you probably know, because it’s been said many times before on DCUM and even in this thread, many do not believe in a literal hell, and many believe that atheists who live moral lives will go to Paradise. Heck, I’m not Catholic, but even the Pope said as much recently.

You’re also distorting the point being made above about HOW OP is going about this, not WHETHER she should post about atheism. The point above is that OP’s childish, abusive approach isn’t helping atheists. Instead it’s probably inspiring “I don’t want to be like that!” in the minds of people who are struggling with faith.