Michigan over Cornell?

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Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitary colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia state out there transforming ppls lives.

*similar not solitary

By the way there are no state schools
In the top 10 of any major survey

How do you define major survey? Because there are state schools in the top 10 of many dept rankings as well as law school, medical school, and business school rankings. Of course, you'll just limit the scope of your definition of "major survey" until it supports your irrational disdain towards state schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitaryB colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia statecould
Legitimate out there transforming ppls lives.

M

Me too! But still a hard no for us. There is no racism or conflict with what you said.

Oh I see. So you admit it's a great school, but it's still "a hard no" for you.

It’s not a great school
But it does a very good job of serving a population that has no or limited options. My kids do not need remedial courses or to be spoon fed. They don’t need a charter school either. If you can go to HPY why would you go to Georgia State? You decide to go to a top HBCU and many do. It still gives the child all the same options at graduation. We focus on the opportunities for the graduates as well as the education. For advance kids GA State is not good. University of GA has more to offer but that would also be a hard no. I just think you were grasping for straws to prove a silly point and had no idea of the history of GA State it’s history and it’s current student population or it’s local reputation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitaryB colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia statecould
Legitimate out there transforming ppls lives.

M

Me too! But still a hard no for us. There is no racism or conflict with what you said.

Oh I see. So you admit it's a great school, but it's still "a hard no" for you.

It’s not a great school
But it does a very good job of serving a population that has no or limited options. My kids do not need remedial courses or to be spoon fed. They don’t need a charter school either. If you can go to HPY why would you go to Georgia State? You decide to go to a top HBCU and many do. It still gives the child all the same options at graduation. We focus on the opportunities for the graduates as well as the education. For advance kids GA State is not good. University of GA has more to offer but that would also be a hard no. I just think you were grasping for straws to prove a silly point and had no idea of the history of GA State it’s history and it’s current student population or it’s local reputation.

I think you're elitist and narrow-minded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitary colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia state out there transforming ppls lives.

*similar not solitary

By the way there are no state schools
In the top 10 of any major survey

How do you define major survey? Because there are state schools in the top 10 of many dept rankings as well as law school, medical school, and business school rankings. Of course, you'll just limit the scope of your definition of "major survey" until it supports your irrational disdain towards state schools.

It is completely idiotic to believe there are 10 schools that are better than the rest, just as it is nonsense to think the #10 on the list is "worse" than the #1 on the list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitary colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia state out there transforming ppls lives.

*similar not solitary

By the way there are no state schools
In the top 10 of any major survey

How do you define major survey? Because there are state schools in the top 10 of many dept rankings as well as law school, medical school, and business school rankings. Of course, you'll just limit the scope of your definition of "major survey" until it supports your irrational disdain towards state schools.

It is completely idiotic to believe there are 10 schools that are better than the rest, just as it is nonsense to think the #10 on the list is "worse" than the #1 on the list.

Exactly. Also, it's insane to me that people still put stock in these rankings, despite the articles that have come out detailing how schools explicitly engineer things like acceptance rate, endowment, etc. to improve their ranking.

Take UChicago: It was always ranked high, but back when my sister and I applied (she went; I got in but went elsewhere) the acceptance rate was around 30% because the applicant pool was self-selective. My sister was the only person in her graduating class at a top NYC prep school to get into UChicago because they were looking for a very specific type of kid. I had a high school classmate who got into Penn and ended up being a Rhodes Scholar, but was rejected from UChicago.

Then they decided to start taking the Common App. As anyone could have predicted, their acceptance rate plummeted and their USNWR ranking shot up. Now tons of people have suddenly decided "UChicago got better."

It's a ruse; stop falling for the game, people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitaryB colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia statecould
Legitimate out there transforming ppls lives.

M

Me too! But still a hard no for us. There is no racism or conflict with what you said.

Oh I see. So you admit it's a great school, but it's still "a hard no" for you.

It’s not a great school
But it does a very good job of serving a population that has no or limited options. My kids do not need remedial courses or to be spoon fed. They don’t need a charter school either. If you can go to HPY why would you go to Georgia State? You decide to go to a top HBCU and many do. It still gives the child all the same options at graduation. We focus on the opportunities for the graduates as well as the education. For advance kids GA State is not good. University of GA has more to offer but that would also be a hard no. I just think you were grasping for straws to prove a silly point and had no idea of the history of GA State it’s history and it’s current student population or it’s local reputation.

I think you're elitist and narrow-minded.

But not a racist! I can live with that as an AA with high achieving kids. I think you have no idea what you are talking about and throw terms around. You have highjacked this thread and are saying silly things. With racism as it is education matters and studies for AAs prove it. I thought you liked studies??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitaryB colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia statecould
Legitimate out there transforming ppls lives.

M

Me too! But still a hard no for us. There is no racism or conflict with what you said.

Oh I see. So you admit it's a great school, but it's still "a hard no" for you.

It’s not a great school
But it does a very good job of serving a population that has no or limited options. My kids do not need remedial courses or to be spoon fed. They don’t need a charter school either. If you can go to HPY why would you go to Georgia State? You decide to go to a top HBCU and many do. It still gives the child all the same options at graduation. We focus on the opportunities for the graduates as well as the education. For advance kids GA State is not good. University of GA has more to offer but that would also be a hard no. I just think you were grasping for straws to prove a silly point and had no idea of the history of GA State it’s history and it’s current student population or it’s local reputation.

I think you're elitist and narrow-minded.

But not a racist! I can live with that as an AA with high achieving kids. I think you have no idea what you are talking about and throw terms around. You have highjacked this thread and are saying silly things. With racism as it is education matters and studies for AAs prove it. I thought you liked studies??

What you're saying doesn't make any sense.

I didn't hijack this thread at all -- you and others were making baseless assertions about Cornell being unequivocally better than Michigan. I was defending the notion that Michigan is just as good. You're the one who brought up GA State.

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That was another poster. I did not say one school was superior to another or mention GA State. I just commented on GA state and you called me a racist which means there can be no debate.

[Anonymous]

Would pick Cornell unless you are in-state for Michigan.

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Not the school but the student that matters. The student could go to a great school but doesn’t use or participate in any of the offerings, it wouldn’t matter.

[Anonymous]

That's the thing about a great school ... you don't have to seek out opportunity... it just kind of happens as long as you go to class and do the work. .. the tide moves everyone down stream.

[Anonymous]

Cornell land grant vs. non-land grant: Cornell has seven colleges/schools that accept undergrads.

Land grant (i.e. publicly funded, at least in part):
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (was called Ag when I was there, apparently they've rebranded as CALS)
College of Human Ecology
School of Industrial and Labor Relations

Private (not publicly funded):
Arts and Sciences
Architecture, Art and Planning
Engineering
SC Johnson College of Business (now includes Hotel School)

The fourth land grant college is that of Veterinary Medicine, which of course doesn't accept undergrads.

The private/public aspect really only makes a difference if if you're in-state for NY. When I attended Cornell many years ago, I started out in Ag as in-state, but it was cheaper than private for out-of-state students. Now out-of-state students pay the same price for the land-grant colleges as they do for the private colleges. Yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not racist. GA state is a hard no for us but Howard, Spellman and Moorehouse were considered. Kids went top 10 to schools scoring high in every survey but teaching. So not racist at all. But GA State a very hard no.

Actually Georgia State is considered one of those punching above it’s weight schools in higher ed policy circles. It has large numbers of racially diverse, first generation, and Pell grant students and it’s graduation rate is markedly higher than solitary colleges. Not everyone gets to choose between an ivy and top 10 flagship and I’m glad there are public colleges like Georgia state out there transforming ppls lives.

*similar not solitary

By the way there are no state schools
In the top 10 of any major survey

How do you define major survey? Because there are state schools in the top 10 of many dept rankings as well as law school, medical school, and business school rankings. Of course, you'll just limit the scope of your definition of "major survey" until it supports your irrational disdain towards state schools.

It is completely idiotic to believe there are 10 schools that are better than the rest, just as it is nonsense to think the #10 on the list is "worse" than the #1 on the list.

Exactly. Also, it's insane to me that people still put stock in these rankings, despite the articles that have come out detailing how schools explicitly engineer things like acceptance rate, endowment, etc. to improve their ranking.

Take UChicago: It was always ranked high, but back when my sister and I applied (she went; I got in but went elsewhere) the acceptance rate was around 30% because the applicant pool was self-selective. My sister was the only person in her graduating class at a top NYC prep school to get into UChicago because they were looking for a very specific type of kid. I had a high school classmate who got into Penn and ended up being a Rhodes Scholar, but was rejected from UChicago.

Then they decided to start taking the Common App. As anyone could have predicted, their acceptance rate plummeted and their USNWR ranking shot up. Now tons of people have suddenly decided "UChicago got better."

It's a ruse; stop falling for the game, people.

Chicago is known for gaming the US News ranking a little bit. It should be ranked somewhere between 7 - 10. But Chicago will always rank higher than Michigan. The same is true for Cornell vs Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cornell alum here. I loved Cornell, but if my kid got into both and she wanted to go to U Michigan over Cornell, I'd sign the deposit check in a heartbeat -- and vice versa. Both are great schools with tons of opportunities to study in a wide variety of fields. (I would also say that there is something for everyone at Cornell as well).

At the end of her four years, it's not going to be so much what brand name is on the diploma but a) is she happy and thriving there (and therefore doing her best work) and b) does she do well in her chosen classes and major so she's poised for the next step, whatever that ends up being.

I've done a lot of hiring in my career and I wouldn't discount the cachet of University of Michigan -- I wouldn't necessarily be more interested in a Cornell grad (or a HYPS grad for that matter) over a University of Michigan (and dozens of other strong schools). I don't think the brand name matters nearly as much as people think it does.

+1000 -- And, BTW, as a lawyer, I've encountered quite a few colleagues who attended either Michigan or Cornell for undergrad and then went to the other for law school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cornell land grant vs. non-land grant: Cornell has seven colleges/schools that accept undergrads.

Land grant (i.e. publicly funded, at least in part):
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (was called Ag when I was there, apparently they've rebranded as CALS)
College of Human Ecology
School of Industrial and Labor Relations

Private (not publicly funded):
Arts and Sciences
Architecture, Art and Planning
Engineering
SC Johnson College of Business (now includes Hotel School)

The fourth land grant college is that of Veterinary Medicine, which of course doesn't accept undergrads.

The private/public aspect really only makes a difference if if you're in-state for NY. When I attended Cornell many years ago, I started out in Ag as in-state, but it was cheaper than private for out-of-state students. Now out-of-state students pay the same price for the land-grant colleges as they do for the private colleges. Yikes.

Old grad here. I did not know about about the hotel/business school change. When I was there, the Johnson school was for MBA's only. Thanks for explaining the change.