Think she cheated on her SAT?

[Anonymous]

Was there ever a link provided for the article that had the quote about her answers matching other answers? I assume ETS would have never provided that info, they said they do not comment on scores. NOne of the articles I found said anything about that.

Re: statistical anomaly--statistics never predict individual outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

Her score is the one that improved.

How do you know that the other test takers scores didn't also improve.

No one else was flagged

No one else was flagged who went to the press.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

Her score is the one that improved.

I'll take that as an "I don't".

No saying she did or didn't cheat. Just saying that those that are accusing without any information are pathetic. Let the process play out.

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Anonymous wrote:People act like once you study for a test, the information is in in your brain forever, so it should be no problem to retake the test. You know that's not the way it works for ANYONE. Asking her to retake it is asking her to redo all the hard work of studying again. She did that already. I'd be pissed if I had to deal that again.

lol ok sure, so as soon as you leave college you forget everything you learned.... no it doesnt work that way, you either know it or you dont

Meh, that's kind of how it works for me. I am excellent at retaining info for about 3 days, then it's gone after the test.

Hope you’re not a doctor.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

Her score is the one that improved.

How do you know that the other test takers scores didn't also improve.

No one else was flagged

No one else was flagged who went to the press.

What happens if the college board produces all the test scores that were flagged, and it ends up that they are evenly distributed? Or mostly asian kids?

What then?

Everyone, including the poster calling everybody and everything racist, needs to see how it plays out.

Frankly, if I were her I would have waited a bit and certainly not have gone to the press, even if I hired a lawyer.

There is a chance this was deliberate, but if they are going in calling racism, and most of the flagged tests are other races or evenly distributed, it will make her look very bad.

I take issue with the GoFundMe and going to the press as a first step.. I don't take issue necessarily with hiring a lawyer, but the rest makes it looks like she has other priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

Her score is the one that improved.

How do you know that the other test takers scores didn't also improve.

No one else was flagged

No one else was flagged who went to the press.

What happens if the college board produces all the test scores that were flagged, and it ends up that they are evenly distributed? Or mostly asian kids?

What then?

Everyone, including the poster calling everybody and everything racist, needs to see how it plays out.

Frankly, if I were her I would have waited a bit and certainly not have gone to the press, even if I hired a lawyer.

There is a chance this was deliberate, but if they are going in calling racism, and most of the flagged tests are other races or evenly distributed, it will make her look very bad.

I take issue with the GoFundMe and going to the press as a first step.. I don't take issue necessarily with hiring a lawyer, but the rest makes it looks like she has other priorities.

What happens if the college board produces all the test scores that were flagged, and it ends up that they are not evenly distributed? Or mostly black kids?

What then?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how this has become a racial issue. Do the students have to fill out what their race is when they take the SAT? Is her theory that the College Board flagged her because of her race?

You can’t be this daft. You really are going to pretend ETS could not figure out the race of “Kamilah Campbell” of Florida at the very first try?

You people really bend over backwards to deny race, huh?

If Kamilah Campbell was some redneck kid from Florida, nobody would give a shit.

Nice try changing the subject. Are you still pretending there was no way for College Board to know her race or do you realize what a nitwit pointless point that was?

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

You are really arguing that there is not a racial connection because no one on College Confidential posts you claim to have read said there is a racial connection?

No, I am asking what evidence there is that there is a racial connection. Of the people I know of in real life who have received this letter, none were black. So I’m wondering if there is evidence that can be cited that shows that the letter is sent more commonly to test takers who are black.

Oh, how convenient that your “evidence” went from citing College Confidential to suddenly knowing people in real life. GTFOH. You’re full of shit.

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

You are really arguing that there is not a racial connection because no one on College Confidential posts you claim to have read said there is a racial connection?

No, I am asking what evidence there is that there is a racial connection. Of the people I know of in real life who have received this letter, none were black. So I’m wondering if there is evidence that can be cited that shows that the letter is sent more commonly to test takers who are black.

Oh, how convenient that your “evidence” went from citing College Confidential to suddenly knowing people in real life. GTFOH. You’re full of shit.

Is this the first time you’ve ever heard of this happening? It is nothing new, and it definitely happens to kids who are not black.

Can you provide a link showing that this letter is sent more frequently to test-takers who are black than to those who are not? Or, in the alternative, any previous public allegation that College Board is targeting students who are black?

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

You are really arguing that there is not a racial connection because no one on College Confidential posts you claim to have read said there is a racial connection?

No, I am asking what evidence there is that there is a racial connection. Of the people I know of in real life who have received this letter, none were black. So I’m wondering if there is evidence that can be cited that shows that the letter is sent more commonly to test takers who are black.

Oh, how convenient that your “evidence” went from citing College Confidential to suddenly knowing people in real life. GTFOH. You’re full of shit.

Is this the first time you’ve ever heard of this happening? It is nothing new, and it definitely happens to kids who are not black.

Can you provide a link showing that this letter is sent more frequently to test-takers who are black than to those who are not? Or, in the alternative, any previous public allegation that College Board is targeting students who are black?

Excuse me, but you’re the one who said asserted without qualification that this has nothing to do with race. The onus to prove that made-up “fact” is on you. Your ever-changing anecdotes are not evidence. Did you even go to college or how do you not get that “I heard” is not evidence of anything?

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

You are really arguing that there is not a racial connection because no one on College Confidential posts you claim to have read said there is a racial connection?

No, I am asking what evidence there is that there is a racial connection. Of the people I know of in real life who have received this letter, none were black. So I’m wondering if there is evidence that can be cited that shows that the letter is sent more commonly to test takers who are black.

Oh, how convenient that your “evidence” went from citing College Confidential to suddenly knowing people in real life. GTFOH. You’re full of shit.

Is this the first time you’ve ever heard of this happening? It is nothing new, and it definitely happens to kids who are not black.

Can you provide a link showing that this letter is sent more frequently to test-takers who are black than to those who are not? Or, in the alternative, any previous public allegation that College Board is targeting students who are black?

Excuse me, but you’re the one who said asserted without qualification that this has nothing to do with race. The onus to prove that made-up “fact” is on you. Your ever-changing anecdotes are not evidence. Did you even go to college or how do you not get that “I heard” is not evidence of anything?

You are talking to more than one poster here, not just one. I didn’t assert anything, just asking about articles that talk about a racial connection to getting the held scores letter. I’ve never heard or read about this connection before, so I’m interested in learning more about it.

There have definitely been articles written about complaints of students whose scores are held because of big jumps in scores, but I haven’t seen this kind of racial connection mentioned before. That’s why I’m asking about articles about incidents that involve a racial connection. No need to be angry at someone who is interested in learning more about the story here.

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" performed a rigorous 360" lol that means she was right back at where she started

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Anonymous wrote:Did I understand the article correctly that the higher score was 1230?

That is still a really low SAT score, and would have more than a few incorrect answers. Is it possible that one section matched exactly the kid on one side of her, and the other section matched the kid on the other side?

1230 is 77th percentile nationally. Get out of your bubble!

But 1230 is still not scholarship level and in the article she is talking about scholarships.

She has a lot more to go if she wants scholarships.

PP, get out of your bubble. She will get a scholarship and will study dance.

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Anonymous wrote:Did I understand the article correctly that the higher score was 1230?

That is still a really low SAT score, and would have more than a few incorrect answers. Is it possible that one section matched exactly the kid on one side of her, and the other section matched the kid on the other side?

1230 is 77th percentile nationally. Get out of your bubble!

But 1230 is still not scholarship level and in the article she is talking about scholarships.

She has a lot more to go if she wants scholarships.

PP, get out of your bubble. She will get a scholarship and will study dance.

???

What does dance have to do with any of this?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how this has become a racial issue. Do the students have to fill out what their race is when they take the SAT? Is her theory that the College Board flagged her because of her race?

You can’t be this daft. You really are going to pretend ETS could not figure out the race of “Kamilah Campbell” of Florida at the very first try?

You people really bend over backwards to deny race, huh?

If Kamilah Campbell was some redneck kid from Florida, nobody would give a shit.

I don’t think anybody really cares about this imbecile as it stands, but somebody started a thread so people will respond. Oh, and you’re a vulgar, angry litttle thing.