Langley/McLean/Marshall Boundaries

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue here is that FCPS has no coherent framework for considering high school boundary changes or additions, and its default approach over the past decade has been cowardly.

McLean currently has an enrollment of 2251 kids, which is slightly lower than average in FCPS (it's #13 out of the 25 high/secondary schools). The school is crowded now, but that's because FCPS invests less in the school than it does in other schools (it gets a bunch of trailers, but no modulars, and there are no permanent additions currently planned, as at other schools). If they move kids to Langley, they'll leave McLean one of the smallest schools in the county.

In comparison, FCPS plans to build an addition at West Potomac, even though West Potomac has 600 more kids than Mount Vernon and Mount Vernon has capacity. In addition, FCPS is expanding West Springfield as part of its renovation, even though West Springfield has 550 more kids than nearby Lee and Lee has capacity. FCPS also has plans to expand Justice and Madison, even though neither of those schools currently has, or is projected to have, as many students as McLean, and both Justice and Madison sit on less land than McLean.

In McLean's case, it appears FCPS, with Janie Strauss's support, has decided McLean parents would be fine moving to Langley. That's consistent with FCPS's practice over the past decade of moving kids from one high school to another school only when the new high school is considered at least as strong academically as the old high school. Recent examples include moving Annandale kids to Lake Braddock and Woodson, moving Fairfax kids to Woodson, and moving some Lee kids to West Springfield. The only guiding philosophy appears to be that it's OK to move kids if they don't expect many parents to complain, regardless of the effect on the high school that loses students.

McLean parents should ask why FCPS is spending money on expansions and additions at other schools, but not McLean, and exactly how FCPS plans to go about identifying redistricting options, if a boundary change is ultimately determined to be necessary.

Moving students from McLean to Langley makes sense because McLean is over crowded and Langley is undercrowded. It makes sense because McLean's current district includes part of Tysons and that is slated to grow.

It makes sense to transfer some of Franklin Sherman students to Langley because it is closer to their house (eg the developments off of RT123 from Arlington boarder to Old Dominion). It also make sense for Langley to take up some of the Tyson's footprint so that they can absorb some of the increase of students from there when they appear rather than wait until McLean is overcrowded again.

It also does not make sense that Potomac Hills is being considered to be transfer to Langley if the above areas are not, as that would make Chesterbrook a split feeder. It may make sense for the houses off of Kirby after Lady Bird to be transferred to Franklin Sherman and then Cooper/Langley.

Yeah, but PH has a history with Langley, whereas the others do not.

It seems silly to move PH and not the houses off of 123 that are within a half a mile from Langley and would be walking distance if there were sidewalks.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue here is that FCPS has no coherent framework for considering high school boundary changes or additions, and its default approach over the past decade has been cowardly.

McLean currently has an enrollment of 2251 kids, which is slightly lower than average in FCPS (it's #13 out of the 25 high/secondary schools). The school is crowded now, but that's because FCPS invests less in the school than it does in other schools (it gets a bunch of trailers, but no modulars, and there are no permanent additions currently planned, as at other schools). If they move kids to Langley, they'll leave McLean one of the smallest schools in the county.

In comparison, FCPS plans to build an addition at West Potomac, even though West Potomac has 600 more kids than Mount Vernon and Mount Vernon has capacity. In addition, FCPS is expanding West Springfield as part of its renovation, even though West Springfield has 550 more kids than nearby Lee and Lee has capacity. FCPS also has plans to expand Justice and Madison, even though neither of those schools currently has, or is projected to have, as many students as McLean, and both Justice and Madison sit on less land than McLean.

In McLean's case, it appears FCPS, with Janie Strauss's support, has decided McLean parents would be fine moving to Langley. That's consistent with FCPS's practice over the past decade of moving kids from one high school to another school only when the new high school is considered at least as strong academically as the old high school. Recent examples include moving Annandale kids to Lake Braddock and Woodson, moving Fairfax kids to Woodson, and moving some Lee kids to West Springfield. The only guiding philosophy appears to be that it's OK to move kids if they don't expect many parents to complain, regardless of the effect on the high school that loses students.

McLean parents should ask why FCPS is spending money on expansions and additions at other schools, but not McLean, and exactly how FCPS plans to go about identifying redistricting options, if a boundary change is ultimately determined to be necessary.

Moving students from McLean to Langley makes sense because McLean is over crowded and Langley is undercrowded. It makes sense because McLean's current district includes part of Tysons and that is slated to grow.

It makes sense to transfer some of Franklin Sherman students to Langley because it is closer to their house (eg the developments off of RT123 from Arlington boarder to Old Dominion). It also make sense for Langley to take up some of the Tyson's footprint so that they can absorb some of the increase of students from there when they appear rather than wait until McLean is overcrowded again.

It also does not make sense that Potomac Hills is being considered to be transfer to Langley if the above areas are not, as that would make Chesterbrook a split feeder. It may make sense for the houses off of Kirby after Lady Bird to be transferred to Franklin Sherman and then Cooper/Langley.

Yeah, but PH has a history with Langley, whereas the others do not.

Both Potomac Hills and parts of Franklin Sherman now zoned for McLean were zoned for Langley at one point. Potomac Hills moved to Langley in the late 1970s and the FS areas moved to Langley in the mid-80s.

So both these areas have a "history" with Langley, from the time when Langley included parts of McLean south of 123 and less of western Fairfax. But moving much of Tysons to Langley now would be more consistent with One Fairfax, and those apartments are still closer to Langley than the Great Falls subdivisions zoned for Langley near the Loudoun border.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue here is that FCPS has no coherent framework for considering high school boundary changes or additions, and its default approach over the past decade has been cowardly.

McLean currently has an enrollment of 2251 kids, which is slightly lower than average in FCPS (it's #13 out of the 25 high/secondary schools). The school is crowded now, but that's because FCPS invests less in the school than it does in other schools (it gets a bunch of trailers, but no modulars, and there are no permanent additions currently planned, as at other schools). If they move kids to Langley, they'll leave McLean one of the smallest schools in the county.

In comparison, FCPS plans to build an addition at West Potomac, even though West Potomac has 600 more kids than Mount Vernon and Mount Vernon has capacity. In addition, FCPS is expanding West Springfield as part of its renovation, even though West Springfield has 550 more kids than nearby Lee and Lee has capacity. FCPS also has plans to expand Justice and Madison, even though neither of those schools currently has, or is projected to have, as many students as McLean, and both Justice and Madison sit on less land than McLean.

In McLean's case, it appears FCPS, with Janie Strauss's support, has decided McLean parents would be fine moving to Langley. That's consistent with FCPS's practice over the past decade of moving kids from one high school to another school only when the new high school is considered at least as strong academically as the old high school. Recent examples include moving Annandale kids to Lake Braddock and Woodson, moving Fairfax kids to Woodson, and moving some Lee kids to West Springfield. The only guiding philosophy appears to be that it's OK to move kids if they don't expect many parents to complain, regardless of the effect on the high school that loses students.

McLean parents should ask why FCPS is spending money on expansions and additions at other schools, but not McLean, and exactly how FCPS plans to go about identifying redistricting options, if a boundary change is ultimately determined to be necessary.

Moving students from McLean to Langley makes sense because McLean is over crowded and Langley is undercrowded. It makes sense because McLean's current district includes part of Tysons and that is slated to grow.

It makes sense to transfer some of Franklin Sherman students to Langley because it is closer to their house (eg the developments off of RT123 from Arlington boarder to Old Dominion). It also make sense for Langley to take up some of the Tyson's footprint so that they can absorb some of the increase of students from there when they appear rather than wait until McLean is overcrowded again.

It also does not make sense that Potomac Hills is being considered to be transfer to Langley if the above areas are not, as that would make Chesterbrook a split feeder. It may make sense for the houses off of Kirby after Lady Bird to be transferred to Franklin Sherman and then Cooper/Langley.

Yeah, but PH has a history with Langley, whereas the others do not.

Both Potomac Hills and parts of Franklin Sherman now zoned for McLean were zoned for Langley at one point. Potomac Hills moved to Langley in the late 1970s and the FS areas moved to Langley in the mid-80s.

So both these areas have a "history" with Langley, from the time when Langley included parts of McLean south of 123 and less of western Fairfax. But moving much of Tysons to Langley now would be more consistent with One Fairfax, and those apartments are still closer to Langley than the Great Falls subdivisions zoned for Langley near the Loudoun border.

^ Sorry, that should have been moved "from" Langley rather moved "to" Langley (in the 70s and 80s).

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue here is that FCPS has no coherent framework for considering high school boundary changes or additions, and its default approach over the past decade has been cowardly.

McLean currently has an enrollment of 2251 kids, which is slightly lower than average in FCPS (it's #13 out of the 25 high/secondary schools). The school is crowded now, but that's because FCPS invests less in the school than it does in other schools (it gets a bunch of trailers, but no modulars, and there are no permanent additions currently planned, as at other schools). If they move kids to Langley, they'll leave McLean one of the smallest schools in the county.

In comparison, FCPS plans to build an addition at West Potomac, even though West Potomac has 600 more kids than Mount Vernon and Mount Vernon has capacity. In addition, FCPS is expanding West Springfield as part of its renovation, even though West Springfield has 550 more kids than nearby Lee and Lee has capacity. FCPS also has plans to expand Justice and Madison, even though neither of those schools currently has, or is projected to have, as many students as McLean, and both Justice and Madison sit on less land than McLean.

In McLean's case, it appears FCPS, with Janie Strauss's support, has decided McLean parents would be fine moving to Langley. That's consistent with FCPS's practice over the past decade of moving kids from one high school to another school only when the new high school is considered at least as strong academically as the old high school. Recent examples include moving Annandale kids to Lake Braddock and Woodson, moving Fairfax kids to Woodson, and moving some Lee kids to West Springfield. The only guiding philosophy appears to be that it's OK to move kids if they don't expect many parents to complain, regardless of the effect on the high school that loses students.

McLean parents should ask why FCPS is spending money on expansions and additions at other schools, but not McLean, and exactly how FCPS plans to go about identifying redistricting options, if a boundary change is ultimately determined to be necessary.

Moving students from McLean to Langley makes sense because McLean is over crowded and Langley is undercrowded. It makes sense because McLean's current district includes part of Tysons and that is slated to grow.

It makes sense to transfer some of Franklin Sherman students to Langley because it is closer to their house (eg the developments off of RT123 from Arlington boarder to Old Dominion). It also make sense for Langley to take up some of the Tyson's footprint so that they can absorb some of the increase of students from there when they appear rather than wait until McLean is overcrowded again.

It also does not make sense that Potomac Hills is being considered to be transfer to Langley if the above areas are not, as that would make Chesterbrook a split feeder. It may make sense for the houses off of Kirby after Lady Bird to be transferred to Franklin Sherman and then Cooper/Langley.

Yeah, but PH has a history with Langley, whereas the others do not.

It seems silly to move PH and not the houses off of 123 that are within a half a mile from Langley and would be walking distance if there were sidewalks.

They can move the handful of McLean kids who live closer to Langley to Langley when they move the Langley kids who live closer to Herndon and South Lakes to those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue here is that FCPS has no coherent framework for considering high school boundary changes or additions, and its default approach over the past decade has been cowardly.

McLean currently has an enrollment of 2251 kids, which is slightly lower than average in FCPS (it's #13 out of the 25 high/secondary schools). The school is crowded now, but that's because FCPS invests less in the school than it does in other schools (it gets a bunch of trailers, but no modulars, and there are no permanent additions currently planned, as at other schools). If they move kids to Langley, they'll leave McLean one of the smallest schools in the county.

In comparison, FCPS plans to build an addition at West Potomac, even though West Potomac has 600 more kids than Mount Vernon and Mount Vernon has capacity. In addition, FCPS is expanding West Springfield as part of its renovation, even though West Springfield has 550 more kids than nearby Lee and Lee has capacity. FCPS also has plans to expand Justice and Madison, even though neither of those schools currently has, or is projected to have, as many students as McLean, and both Justice and Madison sit on less land than McLean.

In McLean's case, it appears FCPS, with Janie Strauss's support, has decided McLean parents would be fine moving to Langley. That's consistent with FCPS's practice over the past decade of moving kids from one high school to another school only when the new high school is considered at least as strong academically as the old high school. Recent examples include moving Annandale kids to Lake Braddock and Woodson, moving Fairfax kids to Woodson, and moving some Lee kids to West Springfield. The only guiding philosophy appears to be that it's OK to move kids if they don't expect many parents to complain, regardless of the effect on the high school that loses students.

McLean parents should ask why FCPS is spending money on expansions and additions at other schools, but not McLean, and exactly how FCPS plans to go about identifying redistricting options, if a boundary change is ultimately determined to be necessary.

How does "One Fairfax" impact this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live on Kurtz road which is 2 blocks from Franklin Sherman and I would prefer Mclean HS over Langley HS because of the diversity at Mclean HS. I have nothing against Langley but Mclean HS has a much more diverse student population. I think that will benefit society in general and my kids specifically, in the long run.

If you can, please come to the meeting at McLean HS this Thursday at 7 PM and let Janie Strauss and the FCPS representatives know how you feel.

We are in the SW corner of the Franklin Sherman sending district, actually closer to Chesterbrook ES. My kids can walk home from McLean HS when they need to. We chose to buy in this district vice Langley. Switching kids from this neighborhood to Langley will end walking or bicycling to school.

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Anonymous wrote:I live on Kurtz road which is 2 blocks from Franklin Sherman and I would prefer Mclean HS over Langley HS because of the diversity at Mclean HS. I have nothing against Langley but Mclean HS has a much more diverse student population. I think that will benefit society in general and my kids specifically, in the long run.

If you can, please come to the meeting at McLean HS this Thursday at 7 PM and let Janie Strauss and the FCPS representatives know how you feel.

We are in the SW corner of the Franklin Sherman sending district, actually closer to Chesterbrook ES. My kids can walk home from McLean HS when they need to. We chose to buy in this district vice Langley. Switching kids from this neighborhood to Langley will end walking or bicycling to school.

Please get the word out about the January 17th meeting. Some questions for Janie Strauss and the FCPS Facilities Staff that deserve answers:

1. Why hasn't FCPS budgeted for an addition at McLean, or at least the relocation of modulars, when it's planning additions at Justice, Madison, and West Potomac?

2. Is FCPS considering the challenges getting to Cooper and Langley (parents in that area tried unsuccessfully last year to get VDOT to shut down the Georgetown Pike entrance to the Beltway because of congestion on Balls Hill Road and Georgetown Pike)?

3. Why did Janie Strauss tell McLean parents several years ago that Langley's renovation was only intended to increase the amount of space per student at Langley, when in fact FCPS increased the capacity at Langley? And why did Strauss tell parents at a meeting in 2015 that McLean would get an addition before any students were redistricted to Langley, if that isn't going to be the case?

4. Has FCPS considered whether more students in the Langley district would attend the public schools if the class sizes weren't so much larger than elsewhere in the county?

5. How will FCPS take into account the fact that the latest CIP indicates that the elementary school enrollments in the McLean pyramid are expected to decline over the next five years? Is the recent growth temporary?

6. What degree of confidence does FCPS have in its ability to project enrollments beyond a one or two-year horizon (historically, longer-term projections in the CIP have been off by wide margins)?

7. If FCPS downsizes McLean by moving kids to Langley, what courses (for example, foreign languages and some AP courses) are at risk of being discontinued?

8. How many teachers might be destaffed and how would this be determined (for example, would it be based simply on seniority)?

9. Will FCPS seek to increase the diversity at Langley (which by far has the lowest ESOL/FARMS rates among FCPS high schools) in considering any boundary change?

10. Would McLean remain in an athletic district and conference where it competes against larger schools like South Lakes if the school's enrollment is reduced significantly?

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Anonymous wrote:McLean beat Langley at girls and boys varsity basketball last Friday. You can see how much school spirit there is at McLean and why people wouldn't want to be rezoned out of the school in this clip:

https://twitter.com/jonroetman/status/1083890067221942273

We were at both those games with friends and what your clip doesn't show is how rude McLean was to the Langley visitors. All sorts of profane chants directed at them. Not welcoming in the least, and if that's their version of "school spirit," count us out.

I think you're just upset you lost both games. I've been to a lot of contests at different schools, and there's no group of kids that knows how to dish out trash talk to other schools more so than "Otto's Army" from Langley. The profanity, while regrettable, was in response to the Langley students who showed up at McLean early in the morning of the day of the game and defaced the rock in front of the school building with "FU*K MCLEAN"

https://twitter.com/edthe_iii/status/1083725279653183489

The girls game was not much of a contest, but the Langley boys played tough against a more experienced McLean squad. It was disappointing to see the Langley students walk out towards the end, rather than see the game to its conclusion and give their classmates a well-deserved round of applause.

A. I don't have kids at Langley, so have no dog in this fight. I've attended McLean games before with our friends who live near the school, and this is the treatment McLean usually gives visiting teams. I realized there is a big rivalry between McLean and Langley, but the reception they gave Langley was over-the-top and unnecessary.

B. I have no idea what "Otto's Army" is.

C. It was clear from where we were sitting that the Langley students left before the game ended because of the verbal abuse McLean was heaping onto them. Can't say I blame them.

You don't sound very knowledgeable about either these events or high school kids.

A. When McLean students arrived at school on the morning of Friday's game, they found Langley students had shown up and painted the spirit rock in front of McLean HS in Langley's colors, with "F*CK MCLEAN" on the rock. The rock was painted over later in the day, but it created some hard feelings and a level of verbal insults from both directions that was greater than usual. The Langley students certainly gave as good as they got.

B. Otto's Army is the unofficial name of Langley's student cheering section. There's also Otto's Army merchandise for sale on the Langley boosters page.

C. The Langley students left before the game ended because McLean was up by nine with about a minute left, and they knew their team was going to lose. Had the score been closer, and many Langley-McLean games have come down to the wire, no amount of "verbal abuse" from the other side would have pried them from their seats. By walking out in that manner, they failed to applaud their own team's efforts, which was kind of sad to watch.

I already stated that I don't have kids at either school - why on earth would I be "knowledgeable" about their traditions or their kids? It sounds like you're a little *too* knowledgeable about Langley, considering you've checked out their boosters page and apparently your kids attend McLean... hmmm.

The rock painting is a shame, but according to our friends, McLean certainly gives as good as they get and have painted the Langley rock many times.

You can stop trolling now, because this latest post pretty much gives you away as a Langley parent/student (and disappointed basketball fan Friday night).

Sure, whatever you say, even though I've already said in another post that we were there with our friends who live near McLean HS. As I've also already said, I don't have kids at either school, so I wasn't disappointed one way or the other. But it's clear that not only do you take HS sports just a tad too seriously, you're also weirdly obsessed with Langley.

Troll fail.

Such an idiotic response.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean beat Langley at girls and boys varsity basketball last Friday. You can see how much school spirit there is at McLean and why people wouldn't want to be rezoned out of the school in this clip:

https://twitter.com/jonroetman/status/1083890067221942273

We were at both those games with friends and what your clip doesn't show is how rude McLean was to the Langley visitors. All sorts of profane chants directed at them. Not welcoming in the least, and if that's their version of "school spirit," count us out.

I think you're just upset you lost both games. I've been to a lot of contests at different schools, and there's no group of kids that knows how to dish out trash talk to other schools more so than "Otto's Army" from Langley. The profanity, while regrettable, was in response to the Langley students who showed up at McLean early in the morning of the day of the game and defaced the rock in front of the school building with "FU*K MCLEAN"

https://twitter.com/edthe_iii/status/1083725279653183489

The girls game was not much of a contest, but the Langley boys played tough against a more experienced McLean squad. It was disappointing to see the Langley students walk out towards the end, rather than see the game to its conclusion and give their classmates a well-deserved round of applause.

A. I don't have kids at Langley, so have no dog in this fight. I've attended McLean games before with our friends who live near the school, and this is the treatment McLean usually gives visiting teams. I realized there is a big rivalry between McLean and Langley, but the reception they gave Langley was over-the-top and unnecessary.

B. I have no idea what "Otto's Army" is.

C. It was clear from where we were sitting that the Langley students left before the game ended because of the verbal abuse McLean was heaping onto them. Can't say I blame them.

You don't sound very knowledgeable about either these events or high school kids.

A. When McLean students arrived at school on the morning of Friday's game, they found Langley students had shown up and painted the spirit rock in front of McLean HS in Langley's colors, with "F*CK MCLEAN" on the rock. The rock was painted over later in the day, but it created some hard feelings and a level of verbal insults from both directions that was greater than usual. The Langley students certainly gave as good as they got.

B. Otto's Army is the unofficial name of Langley's student cheering section. There's also Otto's Army merchandise for sale on the Langley boosters page.

C. The Langley students left before the game ended because McLean was up by nine with about a minute left, and they knew their team was going to lose. Had the score been closer, and many Langley-McLean games have come down to the wire, no amount of "verbal abuse" from the other side would have pried them from their seats. By walking out in that manner, they failed to applaud their own team's efforts, which was kind of sad to watch.

I already stated that I don't have kids at either school - why on earth would I be "knowledgeable" about their traditions or their kids? It sounds like you're a little *too* knowledgeable about Langley, considering you've checked out their boosters page and apparently your kids attend McLean... hmmm.

The rock painting is a shame, but according to our friends, McLean certainly gives as good as they get and have painted the Langley rock many times.

You can stop trolling now, because this latest post pretty much gives you away as a Langley parent/student (and disappointed basketball fan Friday night).

Sure, whatever you say, even though I've already said in another post that we were there with our friends who live near McLean HS. As I've also already said, I don't have kids at either school, so I wasn't disappointed one way or the other. But it's clear that not only do you take HS sports just a tad too seriously, you're also weirdly obsessed with Langley.

Troll fail.

Such an idiotic response.

Did “your friends” suggest that snappy comeback? You’re such a sore loser.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean beat Langley at girls and boys varsity basketball last Friday. You can see how much school spirit there is at McLean and why people wouldn't want to be rezoned out of the school in this clip:

https://twitter.com/jonroetman/status/1083890067221942273

We were at both those games with friends and what your clip doesn't show is how rude McLean was to the Langley visitors. All sorts of profane chants directed at them. Not welcoming in the least, and if that's their version of "school spirit," count us out.

I think you're just upset you lost both games. I've been to a lot of contests at different schools, and there's no group of kids that knows how to dish out trash talk to other schools more so than "Otto's Army" from Langley. The profanity, while regrettable, was in response to the Langley students who showed up at McLean early in the morning of the day of the game and defaced the rock in front of the school building with "FU*K MCLEAN"

https://twitter.com/edthe_iii/status/1083725279653183489

The girls game was not much of a contest, but the Langley boys played tough against a more experienced McLean squad. It was disappointing to see the Langley students walk out towards the end, rather than see the game to its conclusion and give their classmates a well-deserved round of applause.

A. I don't have kids at Langley, so have no dog in this fight. I've attended McLean games before with our friends who live near the school, and this is the treatment McLean usually gives visiting teams. I realized there is a big rivalry between McLean and Langley, but the reception they gave Langley was over-the-top and unnecessary.

B. I have no idea what "Otto's Army" is.

C. It was clear from where we were sitting that the Langley students left before the game ended because of the verbal abuse McLean was heaping onto them. Can't say I blame them.

You don't sound very knowledgeable about either these events or high school kids.

A. When McLean students arrived at school on the morning of Friday's game, they found Langley students had shown up and painted the spirit rock in front of McLean HS in Langley's colors, with "F*CK MCLEAN" on the rock. The rock was painted over later in the day, but it created some hard feelings and a level of verbal insults from both directions that was greater than usual. The Langley students certainly gave as good as they got.

B. Otto's Army is the unofficial name of Langley's student cheering section. There's also Otto's Army merchandise for sale on the Langley boosters page.

C. The Langley students left before the game ended because McLean was up by nine with about a minute left, and they knew their team was going to lose. Had the score been closer, and many Langley-McLean games have come down to the wire, no amount of "verbal abuse" from the other side would have pried them from their seats. By walking out in that manner, they failed to applaud their own team's efforts, which was kind of sad to watch.

I already stated that I don't have kids at either school - why on earth would I be "knowledgeable" about their traditions or their kids? It sounds like you're a little *too* knowledgeable about Langley, considering you've checked out their boosters page and apparently your kids attend McLean... hmmm.

The rock painting is a shame, but according to our friends, McLean certainly gives as good as they get and have painted the Langley rock many times.

You can stop trolling now, because this latest post pretty much gives you away as a Langley parent/student (and disappointed basketball fan Friday night).

Sure, whatever you say, even though I've already said in another post that we were there with our friends who live near McLean HS. As I've also already said, I don't have kids at either school, so I wasn't disappointed one way or the other. But it's clear that not only do you take HS sports just a tad too seriously, you're also weirdly obsessed with Langley.

Troll fail.

Such an idiotic response.

Did “your friends” suggest that snappy comeback? You’re such a sore loser.

You're only making yourself (and by extension, McLean) look worse and worse.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean beat Langley at girls and boys varsity basketball last Friday. You can see how much school spirit there is at McLean and why people wouldn't want to be rezoned out of the school in this clip:

https://twitter.com/jonroetman/status/1083890067221942273

We were at both those games with friends and what your clip doesn't show is how rude McLean was to the Langley visitors. All sorts of profane chants directed at them. Not welcoming in the least, and if that's their version of "school spirit," count us out.

I think you're just upset you lost both games. I've been to a lot of contests at different schools, and there's no group of kids that knows how to dish out trash talk to other schools more so than "Otto's Army" from Langley. The profanity, while regrettable, was in response to the Langley students who showed up at McLean early in the morning of the day of the game and defaced the rock in front of the school building with "FU*K MCLEAN"

https://twitter.com/edthe_iii/status/1083725279653183489

The girls game was not much of a contest, but the Langley boys played tough against a more experienced McLean squad. It was disappointing to see the Langley students walk out towards the end, rather than see the game to its conclusion and give their classmates a well-deserved round of applause.

A. I don't have kids at Langley, so have no dog in this fight. I've attended McLean games before with our friends who live near the school, and this is the treatment McLean usually gives visiting teams. I realized there is a big rivalry between McLean and Langley, but the reception they gave Langley was over-the-top and unnecessary.

B. I have no idea what "Otto's Army" is.

C. It was clear from where we were sitting that the Langley students left before the game ended because of the verbal abuse McLean was heaping onto them. Can't say I blame them.

You don't sound very knowledgeable about either these events or high school kids.

A. When McLean students arrived at school on the morning of Friday's game, they found Langley students had shown up and painted the spirit rock in front of McLean HS in Langley's colors, with "F*CK MCLEAN" on the rock. The rock was painted over later in the day, but it created some hard feelings and a level of verbal insults from both directions that was greater than usual. The Langley students certainly gave as good as they got.

B. Otto's Army is the unofficial name of Langley's student cheering section. There's also Otto's Army merchandise for sale on the Langley boosters page.

C. The Langley students left before the game ended because McLean was up by nine with about a minute left, and they knew their team was going to lose. Had the score been closer, and many Langley-McLean games have come down to the wire, no amount of "verbal abuse" from the other side would have pried them from their seats. By walking out in that manner, they failed to applaud their own team's efforts, which was kind of sad to watch.

I already stated that I don't have kids at either school - why on earth would I be "knowledgeable" about their traditions or their kids? It sounds like you're a little *too* knowledgeable about Langley, considering you've checked out their boosters page and apparently your kids attend McLean... hmmm.

The rock painting is a shame, but according to our friends, McLean certainly gives as good as they get and have painted the Langley rock many times.

You can stop trolling now, because this latest post pretty much gives you away as a Langley parent/student (and disappointed basketball fan Friday night).

Sure, whatever you say, even though I've already said in another post that we were there with our friends who live near McLean HS. As I've also already said, I don't have kids at either school, so I wasn't disappointed one way or the other. But it's clear that not only do you take HS sports just a tad too seriously, you're also weirdly obsessed with Langley.

Troll fail.

Such an idiotic response.

Did “your friends” suggest that snappy comeback? You’re such a sore loser.

You're only making yourself (and by extension, McLean) look worse and worse.

McLean’s doing fine. Langley’s the school that has fewer kids now than it’s had at any point over the last decade.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean beat Langley at girls and boys varsity basketball last Friday. You can see how much school spirit there is at McLean and why people wouldn't want to be rezoned out of the school in this clip:

https://twitter.com/jonroetman/status/1083890067221942273

We were at both those games with friends and what your clip doesn't show is how rude McLean was to the Langley visitors. All sorts of profane chants directed at them. Not welcoming in the least, and if that's their version of "school spirit," count us out.

I think you're just upset you lost both games. I've been to a lot of contests at different schools, and there's no group of kids that knows how to dish out trash talk to other schools more so than "Otto's Army" from Langley. The profanity, while regrettable, was in response to the Langley students who showed up at McLean early in the morning of the day of the game and defaced the rock in front of the school building with "FU*K MCLEAN"

https://twitter.com/edthe_iii/status/1083725279653183489

The girls game was not much of a contest, but the Langley boys played tough against a more experienced McLean squad. It was disappointing to see the Langley students walk out towards the end, rather than see the game to its conclusion and give their classmates a well-deserved round of applause.

A. I don't have kids at Langley, so have no dog in this fight. I've attended McLean games before with our friends who live near the school, and this is the treatment McLean usually gives visiting teams. I realized there is a big rivalry between McLean and Langley, but the reception they gave Langley was over-the-top and unnecessary.

B. I have no idea what "Otto's Army" is.

C. It was clear from where we were sitting that the Langley students left before the game ended because of the verbal abuse McLean was heaping onto them. Can't say I blame them.

You don't sound very knowledgeable about either these events or high school kids.

A. When McLean students arrived at school on the morning of Friday's game, they found Langley students had shown up and painted the spirit rock in front of McLean HS in Langley's colors, with "F*CK MCLEAN" on the rock. The rock was painted over later in the day, but it created some hard feelings and a level of verbal insults from both directions that was greater than usual. The Langley students certainly gave as good as they got.

B. Otto's Army is the unofficial name of Langley's student cheering section. There's also Otto's Army merchandise for sale on the Langley boosters page.

C. The Langley students left before the game ended because McLean was up by nine with about a minute left, and they knew their team was going to lose. Had the score been closer, and many Langley-McLean games have come down to the wire, no amount of "verbal abuse" from the other side would have pried them from their seats. By walking out in that manner, they failed to applaud their own team's efforts, which was kind of sad to watch.

I already stated that I don't have kids at either school - why on earth would I be "knowledgeable" about their traditions or their kids? It sounds like you're a little *too* knowledgeable about Langley, considering you've checked out their boosters page and apparently your kids attend McLean... hmmm.

The rock painting is a shame, but according to our friends, McLean certainly gives as good as they get and have painted the Langley rock many times.

You can stop trolling now, because this latest post pretty much gives you away as a Langley parent/student (and disappointed basketball fan Friday night).

Sure, whatever you say, even though I've already said in another post that we were there with our friends who live near McLean HS. As I've also already said, I don't have kids at either school, so I wasn't disappointed one way or the other. But it's clear that not only do you take HS sports just a tad too seriously, you're also weirdly obsessed with Langley.

Troll fail.

Such an idiotic response.

Did “your friends” suggest that snappy comeback? You’re such a sore loser.

You're only making yourself (and by extension, McLean) look worse and worse.

McLean’s doing fine. Langley’s the school that has fewer kids now than it’s had at any point over the last decade.

And aren't you bitter about it! Not really sure what your point is - nor do I care.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean beat Langley at girls and boys varsity basketball last Friday. You can see how much school spirit there is at McLean and why people wouldn't want to be rezoned out of the school in this clip:

https://twitter.com/jonroetman/status/1083890067221942273

We were at both those games with friends and what your clip doesn't show is how rude McLean was to the Langley visitors. All sorts of profane chants directed at them. Not welcoming in the least, and if that's their version of "school spirit," count us out.

I think you're just upset you lost both games. I've been to a lot of contests at different schools, and there's no group of kids that knows how to dish out trash talk to other schools more so than "Otto's Army" from Langley. The profanity, while regrettable, was in response to the Langley students who showed up at McLean early in the morning of the day of the game and defaced the rock in front of the school building with "FU*K MCLEAN"

https://twitter.com/edthe_iii/status/1083725279653183489

The girls game was not much of a contest, but the Langley boys played tough against a more experienced McLean squad. It was disappointing to see the Langley students walk out towards the end, rather than see the game to its conclusion and give their classmates a well-deserved round of applause.

A. I don't have kids at Langley, so have no dog in this fight. I've attended McLean games before with our friends who live near the school, and this is the treatment McLean usually gives visiting teams. I realized there is a big rivalry between McLean and Langley, but the reception they gave Langley was over-the-top and unnecessary.

B. I have no idea what "Otto's Army" is.

C. It was clear from where we were sitting that the Langley students left before the game ended because of the verbal abuse McLean was heaping onto them. Can't say I blame them.

You don't sound very knowledgeable about either these events or high school kids.

A. When McLean students arrived at school on the morning of Friday's game, they found Langley students had shown up and painted the spirit rock in front of McLean HS in Langley's colors, with "F*CK MCLEAN" on the rock. The rock was painted over later in the day, but it created some hard feelings and a level of verbal insults from both directions that was greater than usual. The Langley students certainly gave as good as they got.

B. Otto's Army is the unofficial name of Langley's student cheering section. There's also Otto's Army merchandise for sale on the Langley boosters page.

C. The Langley students left before the game ended because McLean was up by nine with about a minute left, and they knew their team was going to lose. Had the score been closer, and many Langley-McLean games have come down to the wire, no amount of "verbal abuse" from the other side would have pried them from their seats. By walking out in that manner, they failed to applaud their own team's efforts, which was kind of sad to watch.

I already stated that I don't have kids at either school - why on earth would I be "knowledgeable" about their traditions or their kids? It sounds like you're a little *too* knowledgeable about Langley, considering you've checked out their boosters page and apparently your kids attend McLean... hmmm.

The rock painting is a shame, but according to our friends, McLean certainly gives as good as they get and have painted the Langley rock many times.

You can stop trolling now, because this latest post pretty much gives you away as a Langley parent/student (and disappointed basketball fan Friday night).

Sure, whatever you say, even though I've already said in another post that we were there with our friends who live near McLean HS. As I've also already said, I don't have kids at either school, so I wasn't disappointed one way or the other. But it's clear that not only do you take HS sports just a tad too seriously, you're also weirdly obsessed with Langley.

Troll fail.

Such an idiotic response.

Did “your friends” suggest that snappy comeback? You’re such a sore loser.

You're only making yourself (and by extension, McLean) look worse and worse.

McLean’s doing fine. Langley’s the school that has fewer kids now than it’s had at any point over the last decade.

And aren't you bitter about it! Not really sure what your point is - nor do I care.

And yet you keep on posting and trolling. You care.

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Anonymous wrote:I live on Kurtz road which is 2 blocks from Franklin Sherman and I would prefer Mclean HS over Langley HS because of the diversity at Mclean HS. I have nothing against Langley but Mclean HS has a much more diverse student population. I think that will benefit society in general and my kids specifically, in the long run.

If you can, please come to the meeting at McLean HS this Thursday at 7 PM and let Janie Strauss and the FCPS representatives know how you feel.

We are in the SW corner of the Franklin Sherman sending district, actually closer to Chesterbrook ES. My kids can walk home from McLean HS when they need to. We chose to buy in this district vice Langley. Switching kids from this neighborhood to Langley will end walking or bicycling to school.

Please get the word out about the January 17th meeting. Some questions for Janie Strauss and the FCPS Facilities Staff that deserve answers:

1. Why hasn't FCPS budgeted for an addition at McLean, or at least the relocation of modulars, when it's planning additions at Justice, Madison, and West Potomac?

2. Is FCPS considering the challenges getting to Cooper and Langley (parents in that area tried unsuccessfully last year to get VDOT to shut down the Georgetown Pike entrance to the Beltway because of congestion on Balls Hill Road and Georgetown Pike)?

3. Why did Janie Strauss tell McLean parents several years ago that Langley's renovation was only intended to increase the amount of space per student at Langley, when in fact FCPS increased the capacity at Langley? And why did Strauss tell parents at a meeting in 2015 that McLean would get an addition before any students were redistricted to Langley, if that isn't going to be the case?

4. Has FCPS considered whether more students in the Langley district would attend the public schools if the class sizes weren't so much larger than elsewhere in the county?

5. How will FCPS take into account the fact that the latest CIP indicates that the elementary school enrollments in the McLean pyramid are expected to decline over the next five years? Is the recent growth temporary?

6. What degree of confidence does FCPS have in its ability to project enrollments beyond a one or two-year horizon (historically, longer-term projections in the CIP have been off by wide margins)?

7. If FCPS downsizes McLean by moving kids to Langley, what courses (for example, foreign languages and some AP courses) are at risk of being discontinued?

8. How many teachers might be destaffed and how would this be determined (for example, would it be based simply on seniority)?

9. Will FCPS seek to increase the diversity at Langley (which by far has the lowest ESOL/FARMS rates among FCPS high schools) in considering any boundary change?

10. Would McLean remain in an athletic district and conference where it competes against larger schools like South Lakes if the school's enrollment is reduced significantly?

We will be there and have some of the same questions!

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue here is that FCPS has no coherent framework for considering high school boundary changes or additions, and its default approach over the past decade has been cowardly.

McLean currently has an enrollment of 2251 kids, which is slightly lower than average in FCPS (it's #13 out of the 25 high/secondary schools). The school is crowded now, but that's because FCPS invests less in the school than it does in other schools (it gets a bunch of trailers, but no modulars, and there are no permanent additions currently planned, as at other schools). If they move kids to Langley, they'll leave McLean one of the smallest schools in the county.

In comparison, FCPS plans to build an addition at West Potomac, even though West Potomac has 600 more kids than Mount Vernon and Mount Vernon has capacity. In addition, FCPS is expanding West Springfield as part of its renovation, even though West Springfield has 550 more kids than nearby Lee and Lee has capacity. FCPS also has plans to expand Justice and Madison, even though neither of those schools currently has, or is projected to have, as many students as McLean, and both Justice and Madison sit on less land than McLean.

In McLean's case, it appears FCPS, with Janie Strauss's support, has decided McLean parents would be fine moving to Langley. That's consistent with FCPS's practice over the past decade of moving kids from one high school to another school only when the new high school is considered at least as strong academically as the old high school. Recent examples include moving Annandale kids to Lake Braddock and Woodson, moving Fairfax kids to Woodson, and moving some Lee kids to West Springfield. The only guiding philosophy appears to be that it's OK to move kids if they don't expect many parents to complain, regardless of the effect on the high school that loses students.

McLean parents should ask why FCPS is spending money on expansions and additions at other schools, but not McLean, and exactly how FCPS plans to go about identifying redistricting options, if a boundary change is ultimately determined to be necessary.

Moving students from McLean to Langley makes sense because McLean is over crowded and Langley is undercrowded. It makes sense because McLean's current district includes part of Tysons and that is slated to grow.

It makes sense to transfer some of Franklin Sherman students to Langley because it is closer to their house (eg the developments off of RT123 from Arlington boarder to Old Dominion). It also make sense for Langley to take up some of the Tyson's footprint so that they can absorb some of the increase of students from there when they appear rather than wait until McLean is overcrowded again.

It also does not make sense that Potomac Hills is being considered to be transfer to Langley if the above areas are not, as that would make Chesterbrook a split feeder. It may make sense for the houses off of Kirby after Lady Bird to be transferred to Franklin Sherman and then Cooper/Langley.

Yeah, but PH has a history with Langley, whereas the others do not.

It seems silly to move PH and not the houses off of 123 that are within a half a mile from Langley and would be walking distance if there were sidewalks.

They can move the handful of McLean kids who live closer to Langley to Langley when they move the Langley kids who live closer to Herndon and South Lakes to those schools.

Why do you keep saying this on every Langley thread? If Langley is under enrolled, why move anybody from there? People need to move TO Langley.