DC council to hold hearings on decriminalizing fare evasion on the Metro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess too many kids were getting criminal records over it.

So I guess that's the solution. Just get rid of laws.

As the saying goes, "If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime."

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

[Anonymous]

The good citizens of DC do not want MPD to be proactive, well they got what they asked for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

I see sarcasm escapes you.
Yes you are correct, the DC cops in Tenleytown are not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers."
As implied they prefer to do those things in less snowflakey areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

I see sarcasm escapes you.
Yes you are correct, the DC cops in Tenleytown are not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers."
As implied they prefer to do those things in less snowflakey areas.

Anyone who has ever witnesses the near-mayhem in and near the Tenley Metro when Wilson gets out wishes that the DC cops would stop hanging out at the Best Buy and be more aggressive in enforcing public order instead!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

I see sarcasm escapes you.
Yes you are correct, the DC cops in Tenleytown are not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers."
As implied they prefer to do those things in less snowflakey areas.

Anyone who has ever witnesses the near-mayhem in and near the Tenley Metro when Wilson gets out wishes that the DC cops would stop hanging out at the Best Buy and be more aggressive in enforcing public order instead!

To be fair, the metro stations are the jurisdiction of the Transit Police who I've noticed are even better at hiding than even MPD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

I see sarcasm escapes you.
Yes you are correct, the DC cops in Tenleytown are not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers."
As implied they prefer to do those things in less snowflakey areas.

Anyone who has ever witnesses the near-mayhem in and near the Tenley Metro when Wilson gets out wishes that the DC cops would stop hanging out at the Best Buy and be more aggressive in enforcing public order instead!

Why are they engaging in violent behavior? Are they attacking pedestrians, robbing commuters, destroying property, stealing cars? Haven’t seen any such incidents reported - do local journalists and media outlets need to be more aggressive in covering these crimes?
Or is it more so a case of the mere presence of adolescents seems to be just too stressful for some people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

I see sarcasm escapes you.
Yes you are correct, the DC cops in Tenleytown are not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers."
As implied they prefer to do those things in less snowflakey areas.

Anyone who has ever witnesses the near-mayhem in and near the Tenley Metro when Wilson gets out wishes that the DC cops would stop hanging out at the Best Buy and be more aggressive in enforcing public order instead!

Why are they engaging in violent behavior? Are they attacking pedestrians, robbing commuters, destroying property, stealing cars? Haven’t seen any such incidents reported - do local journalists and media outlets need to be more aggressive in covering these crimes?
Or is it more so a case of the mere presence of adolescents seems to be just too stressful for some people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You still get a ticket for fare evasion, it's just not a misdemeanor or felony.

Why can't officers be allowed to search a fare evader just as they currently would (because they'd be cuffing them)? Then the guns would still be found.

I'm for decriminalizing. It was done in SF and did not create an increase in fare evasion. That's the only data point I know of.

When something is decriminalized, it's basically sending a message to law enforcement that the misconduct is not important. Fare evasion is important, for two reasons. As we see, enforcement is a net that seems to ensnare bad guys. Second, Metro is turning over the sofa cushions looking for spare change. Why send a signal that fare evasion is a sound economic proposition, because the "penalty" is one is caught is likely to be no more than the cost of a cost of a couple of $20 smart cards?

So send a different message to LEOs. Are you saying cops are incapable of enforcing illegal activities that are mere violations? Because I sure as hell see a lot of cops making traffic stops.

How many traffic stops do you see MPD making in Washington, DC? Capitol Police, the Park Police and sometimes the Secret Service will make them, but MPD doesn't think they're important (and they don't like to get out of their cruisers).

Well obviously what you regularly see depends on where you regularly are in the District.
If you're regularly near the Capitol then yeah...odds are you're going to see Capitol Police pulling folks over.
If you're near major monuments/parks/Arlington Cemetary then yeah...odds are you're going to see the Park Police making stops quite often.
But if you ain't prone to cruising around Sheriff Road, Benning Road, West Virginia Avenue, Alabama Avenue, etc then no...you ain't gonna see a lotta MPD traffic stops.

The only time we've seen MPD officers outside their cruisers is when they're cruisin' the aisles of Best Buy, when they should be out walking a beat!

Lol well there’s your explanation right there. If you primarily hanging out by the Best Buy in Tenleytown you’re not going to see much that’s not exactly a preferred area for cops to get out of their cruisers and exercise their authority by interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers. They tend to like walking around flexing their muscles in “darker” parts of the city.

The ones at the Best Buy appear to be shopping while on duty, not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers." (Anyone who is familiar with Tenleytown knows that this never happens.). At least the Best Buy strollers are more active that some other cops from the Second District, some of whom like to sleep in their police cruisers in the far part of the parking lot behind National Presbyterian.

I see sarcasm escapes you.
Yes you are correct, the DC cops in Tenleytown are not "interrogating loiterers, rousting vagrants, or bullying teenagers."
As implied they prefer to do those things in less snowflakey areas.

Anyone who has ever witnesses the near-mayhem in and near the Tenley Metro when Wilson gets out wishes that the DC cops would stop hanging out at the Best Buy and be more aggressive in enforcing public order instead!

Why are they engaging in violent behavior? Are they attacking pedestrians, robbing commuters, destroying property, stealing cars? Haven’t seen any such incidents reported - do local journalists and media outlets need to be more aggressive in covering these crimes?
Or is it more so a case of the mere presence of adolescents seems to be just too stressful for some people?

In fairness, those teens behave very poorly....shouting and screaming and generally making for an uncomfortable situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are they engaging in violent behavior? Are they attacking pedestrians, robbing commuters, destroying property, stealing cars? Haven’t seen any such incidents reported - do local journalists and media outlets need to be more aggressive in covering these crimes?
Or is it more so a case of the mere presence of adolescents seems to be just too stressful for some people?

In fairness, those teens behave very poorly....shouting and screaming and generally making for an uncomfortable situation.

Ahhh...so that’s what it is.
They’re not attacking pedestrians, robbing commuters, destroying property, or stealing cars - you know, committing actual crimes - no they’re just being too boisterous for poor Ward and June Cleaver’s tender ears.
Well shit someone call the police!!!