Truck kills 30 in France

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I winder what atrocity will happen next week. I'm having to update my facebook 'support' pic so often these days.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

What American Muslims think of this: Not my circus, etc.

What you think they should be doing: Holding rallies and protests to tell ISIS to stop doing what they're doing, have American clerics denounce the actions of ISIS, welcome refugees to this country who are fleeing persecution... Oh, never mind.

They should be creating a campaign to protect their own youth against this evil ideology. This should be a huge and public effort. It is not something to joke about and it has nothing to do with new refugees.

Where are the Whites preaching the White Supremacists who killed Blacks in Charleston to STOP their hate. They should be creating a campaign to protect the white youth against this evil ideology of Racism. This should be a huge and public effort. YOU See, the issue is all these efforts are always happening, whether it is muslims or non racist whites. But you just cant get into someone's mind JUST WHEN they whimsically decided to kill AND CHANGE their mind before the damage is done.

The above is satire right?

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

Yes, at some point there needs to be a dividing line. It's a scary thought though because then you begin all out war. Right? I don't think anyone will willingly go to the point. Let's not go there in the cover station either. I have Muslim friends who are hurt every time this happens. I'm just saying at some point the whole of Islam may need to decide and proclaim what side they will fight for. It's not going to end by continuing current policies/military action from the west. It will need to be fought from within.

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Anonymous wrote:Driver drove a mack truck at a very high rate of speed straight into the crowd celebrating Bastille Day. Horrific.

And we keep bringing more and more radical Islamists into Europe and into the US (2 Virginia men arrested laser week for conspiring with Isis) and no matter how nice or welcoming we are we will be doomed.

I know it's not convenient to your narrative about the bad refugees, but one of those guys was born in Brooklyn. And the Paris attackers were born in France and Belgium and had EU passports. They all grew up in the West and then turned into something else. They weren't "brought in." Who knows what this latest monster's story is, but this problem is far deeper and more complex than recent immigrants and refugees.

Yeah, it's often the children or 2nd generation that becomes radicalized. That's why you shouldn't bring more of them in until we have a better solution to radical islam.

I'm Muslim- We, Muslims, have to find the answer to radical Islam. The United States or Europe or the west or whatever cannot solve the problem b/c they have absolutely no authority, the Imams who are in the masjid preaching that we (2nd gen) have to assimilate in the way that the Imams and our parents want are at fault. Xenophobic Muslim communities make these frankensteins. I'm a hijab wearing practicing Muslim and it is the fault of the Muslim community, not the west b/c when they teach that Islam means obedience they forget that it is obedience to the God who is accessible only in the hearts of individuals and that Islam is mostly about social justice and personal responsibility. where is this piece of the puzzle? Its not enough to say "this is not Islam, don't hate us/hurt us" we have to say this is not Islam at our dining tables when the young people mouth off about "Dar ul Haram", we need to speak out in the Masjid that the Holocaust is not a lie- it happened and the media is not controlled by anyone. We need to take responsibility when our kids are online listening to hate speech. This isn't the fault if colonization or western meddling- those are other issues but no these people are evil and there is no excuse for their behavior.

When Zayn Malik is more excoriated as more 'immoral" than Saleh Abdus Salaam- the cancer is in the community not the west.

Thank you. There are also wonderful Muslim feminists and theologian reformers who live in hiding and under threat. They should not dictate Islam, but they should be allowed to share their valuable viewpoint.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a big part of the issue is that Muslims aren't integrating into the Western societies that they are moving to. Why is that?

You people just don't get it, do you? They aren't integrating, because THEY DON'T WANT TO. That's not why they are moving, honey. Don't you understand that? Europe is being invaded, and we're right behind them.

Sorry for the bummer.

I agree it's different than the Persians that came and integrated because they choose to. These refugees are forced out by war and starvation which is terrible but they are not necessarily leaving because they want to become integrated into Europe or the US. Look at this article about refugees saying terrorists are among them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/14/refugees-europe-say-they-fear-terrorists-among-them/87008334/

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These attacks have nothing to do with Israel.
And nothing to do with the west being intolerant. If anything, the west is too tolerant of everything and its confusing to them. Is the ideology they're turning t tolerant or rigid and doctrinaire?
The idea that these guys give two hoots about Palestinians is risible. They've sent whole cities of arabs into refugee camps.they've burned Jordanians (who are probably the only Arab country that significantly helps Palestinians) alive in cages.
And if these attacks are being carried out by immigrants, second generation immigrants, refugees, returnees, or infiltrators and/or converts how does weaning from middle east oil help?

You are missing the point. Several points actually. You have no way of knowing the opinions of these individuals regarding Palestinians. We do know that in the past, grievances about Palestine have been clearly cited as a justification for attacks. More importantly, the completely pro-Israel stance of the US is only one factor that contributes to the alienation of Muslims here. It may not be significant to some and it may be very significant to others. It is one factor in a long list of factors.

Weaning ourselves from Mideast oil would reduce the need for us to turn a blind eye to the oppressive regimes who we currently support. Why would you oppose such a effort?

Are you a carless family?

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Anonymous wrote:Driver drove a mack truck at a very high rate of speed straight into the crowd celebrating Bastille Day. Horrific.

And we keep bringing more and more radical Islamists into Europe and into the US (2 Virginia men arrested laser week for conspiring with Isis) and no matter how nice or welcoming we are we will be doomed.

I know it's not convenient to your narrative about the bad refugees, but one of those guys was born in Brooklyn. And the Paris attackers were born in France and Belgium and had EU passports. They all grew up in the West and then turned into something else. They weren't "brought in." Who knows what this latest monster's story is, but this problem is far deeper and more complex than recent immigrants and refugees.

I know it's not convenient for your narrative to do your research. Most of the terrorists are second generation. Parents okay but children become radicalized. Do your research and study the facts. Facts don't lie.

And I will add - yes they were brought here as the children of immigrants or they were born here shortly thereafter. There is an ideology that is different. No other immigrants or second generation immigrants are waging war on innocent people like this.

What ideology? Terrorism?

Radical Islam - all vow their allegiance to Allah and quote the Quran and Quran has many passages that say "kill the non- believers" etc...

I have Muslim friends that left these countries because of this ideology.

So, it's terrorism. Does it matter in whose name it's committed?

Of course it matters if it is an ongoing pattern. They are Sunni Muslim extremists that want to wipe out all Shias as well. All the Muslims they attack are Shias.

that is not true- they kill plenty of their fellow sunnis as well. In Iraq/Afghanistan shiite Sunni is the thing but the Saudis and Iran have beef going back to Amir Khosroe. Irani textbooks teach that the Arab 'horde' forced themselves on the Persians. thats why they are on opposite sides of the divide. Honestly i don't get why Iran has beef with Israel- they need to have a sit-down with Turkey, Israel, Lebanon and sort this shit out and unite against the Arabs. If the South Asians would stop providing brain power to run their banks, IT and engineering infrastructure they could just go back to roaming the desert on camels and leave everyone else alone. omigoodness- i am so racist. Shrug. oh well the rest of the Umma is sick to death of these people. and yeah by these people i mean oil drunk saudis/UAE/Qataris.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why aren't we seeing US Muslims taking a major and loud stance against this, and really, unifying globally with others in the western world. This needs to be an absolute priority, and yet, we see and hear very little of it. This truly is a war and its time people started treating it like one rather than just apologizing each time something horrific happens, which now appears to be on a weekly basis.

Yes, at some point there needs to be a dividing line. It's a scary thought though because then you begin all out war. Right? I don't think anyone will willingly go to the point. Let's not go there in the cover station either. I have Muslim friends who are hurt every time this happens. I'm just saying at some point the whole of Islam may need to decide and proclaim what side they will fight for. It's not going to end by continuing current policies/military action from the west. It will need to be fought from within.

Yes. It is an internal problem with external consequences. The West cannot solve it or stop it.

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Part of me celebrates when we take out a terrorist with a drone.
But, the intellectual part of me gets pissed. If we just kill them off, one at a time, others will take their place.

To be honest, we need to capture them, question them - we need human intelligence. This is the only way attacks will be brought to a minimum.
We also need to infiltrate them. You know, the old fashion methods. Like turning them on each other......

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Anonymous wrote:
These attacks have nothing to do with Israel.
And nothing to do with the west being intolerant. If anything, the west is too tolerant of everything and its confusing to them. Is the ideology they're turning t tolerant or rigid and doctrinaire?
The idea that these guys give two hoots about Palestinians is risible. They've sent whole cities of arabs into refugee camps.they've burned Jordanians (who are probably the only Arab country that significantly helps Palestinians) alive in cages.
And if these attacks are being carried out by immigrants, second generation immigrants, refugees, returnees, or infiltrators and/or converts how does weaning from middle east oil help?

The fuel that powers ISIS is a grievance against the west's continual involvement in the Muslim world. And this involvement is completely driven by the need for oil.

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They are saying the suspect is a 31 year old French Tunisian which means once again another second generation terrorist. They allow them to become citizens and the care on France is amazing for citizens and non citizens even. That is still not enough to earn their allegiance to France. We better stop refugees from coming here or is will be next.

This article says refugees say terrorists are among them.

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Anonymous wrote:They are saying the suspect is a 31 year old French Tunisian which means once again another second generation terrorist. They allow them to become citizens and the care on France is amazing for citizens and non citizens even. That is still not enough to earn their allegiance to France. We better stop refugees from coming here or is will be next.

This article says refugees say terrorists are among them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/14/refugees-europe-say-they-fear-terrorists-among-them/87008334/

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't care to understand WHY radical islamic terrorists are acting out. Not anymore. It's time to take steps to prevent these horrors from occuring. At some point, enough is enough.

+1,000,000

Arm chair generals declaring enough is enough. Please enlighten how to prevent these horrors from occurring. You seem to think people much smarter than you run this country and they are supported by educated researchers and smart military leaders. These are complex issues and there is no simple solution. Its not like you see a problem, you take your gun and end the problem. Maybe you wish the world is that simple, but it is not.

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Could the Western countries slow it by more-deeply screening those who are accepted within their borders?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
These attacks have nothing to do with Israel.
And nothing to do with the west being intolerant. If anything, the west is too tolerant of everything and its confusing to them. Is the ideology they're turning t tolerant or rigid and doctrinaire?
The idea that these guys give two hoots about Palestinians is risible. They've sent whole cities of arabs into refugee camps.they've burned Jordanians (who are probably the only Arab country that significantly helps Palestinians) alive in cages.
And if these attacks are being carried out by immigrants, second generation immigrants, refugees, returnees, or infiltrators and/or converts how does weaning from middle east oil help?

The fuel that powers ISIS is a grievance against the west's continual involvement in the Muslim world. And this involvement is completely driven by the need for oil.

The fuel that powers Isis is:
Get rich quick through illegal means
Feel powerful
Live in a fantasy state
Be part of a hierarchy "respect"
Sadism
Headlines/attention
Buy Yazidid slave girls on apps and justify their rape and sale through contorted interpretations of Islam
Did I mention feel powerful?
Hatred of the West where they did not 'feel powerful'