Dating app lands teen on sex offenders list after girl lied about her age

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want is a sane legal system.

Having sex with someone you just met it not illegal.

From the argument presented here by many of the people (or is it just one?), is that I should know if my partner is lying. Even if they are in a place where they legally should not be. (Internet dating site, bar, etc).

No. I should be able to assume people are being honest. The criteria for the law should be what a reasonable person would think. In this case, a reasonable person would assume she was not lying.

If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

In my state this is the case. I bet you are a republican.

Which state?

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-be-convicted-statutory-rape-if-my-partner-told-

This shows that in many states, he would not be in trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want is a sane legal system.

Having sex with someone you just met it not illegal.

From the argument presented here by many of the people (or is it just one?), is that I should know if my partner is lying. Even if they are in a place where they legally should not be. (Internet dating site, bar, etc).

No. I should be able to assume people are being honest. The criteria for the law should be what a reasonable person would think. In this case, a reasonable person would assume she was not lying.

If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

In my state this is the case. I bet you are a republican.

Which state?

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-be-convicted-statutory-rape-if-my-partner-told-

This shows that in many states, he would not be in trouble.

The law in the state in which the actions took place is the one that matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want is a sane legal system.

Having sex with someone you just met it not illegal.

From the argument presented here by many of the people (or is it just one?), is that I should know if my partner is lying. Even if they are in a place where they legally should not be. (Internet dating site, bar, etc).

No. I should be able to assume people are being honest. The criteria for the law should be what a reasonable person would think. In this case, a reasonable person would assume she was not lying.

If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

In my state this is the case. I bet you are a republican.

Which state?

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-be-convicted-statutory-rape-if-my-partner-told-

This shows that in many states, he would not be in trouble.

The law in the state in which the actions took place is the one that matters.

The ones the judge ignored, it will be appealed, just like in the link. But that costs money, hopefully somebody will take this on for the boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want is a sane legal system.

Having sex with someone you just met it not illegal.

From the argument presented here by many of the people (or is it just one?), is that I should know if my partner is lying. Even if they are in a place where they legally should not be. (Internet dating site, bar, etc).

No. I should be able to assume people are being honest. The criteria for the law should be what a reasonable person would think. In this case, a reasonable person would assume she was not lying.

If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

In my state this is the case. I bet you are a republican.

Which state?

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-be-convicted-statutory-rape-if-my-partner-told-

This shows that in many states, he would not be in trouble.

The law in the state in which the actions took place is the one that matters.

The ones the judge ignored, it will be appealed, just like in the link. But that costs money, hopefully somebody will take this on for the boy.

Boy? He's a 19-year-old MAN.

[Anonymous]

Ok... i did some research. If he stayed home in Indiana, he would have a defense. In Michigan, no. But, Michigan has a first time offender program which the judge rejected.

[Anonymous]

What I don't get is why he's treated the same as pedophile rapists who are attacking 6 year olds. Or rapists who attack women at night. Even though she was young, this was consensual. What we teach boys is "yes means yes" and she clearly said yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

In my state this is the case. I bet you are a republican.

Which state?

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-be-convicted-statutory-rape-if-my-partner-told-

This shows that in many states, he would not be in trouble.

Did you actually read that link?

A few states have laws that allow a defendant to argue a reasonable mistake of the victim’s age as a defense. Some, however, allow the defense only in limited circumstances.

So, in which state does the PP live, where the law allows a person charged with statutory rape to offer "I reasonably believed that the person was old enough" as a defense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't get is why he's treated the same as pedophile rapists who are attacking 6 year olds. Or rapists who attack women at night. Even though she was young, this was consensual. What we teach boys is "yes means yes" and she clearly said yes.

No, it wasn't. That is what age of consent means. If you are below the age of consent, you are not old enough to be able to consent. You can agree, but you cannot consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

Correct. But again, the dude is an idiot, not a pedophile, nor a sex offender. There is no reason for this guy to be on a lifetime sex offender registry, nor for him not to be eligible for the Holmes Youthful Trainee Act in Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If you want the age-of-consent laws to say that it's legal to have sex with somebody below the age of consent if a reasonable person would believe that they were old enough to consent, then you should contact your state legislator. Until the law is changed, however, a prudent person will do more than simply take the word of somebody they just met on a dating app that that somebody is old enough to consent.

Correct. But again, the dude is an idiot, not a pedophile, nor a sex offender. There is no reason for this guy to be on a lifetime sex offender registry, nor for him not to be eligible for the Holmes Youthful Trainee Act in Michigan.

This x 100.

The problem is the law is treating him like if I went out and slept with my DD's friends...I know there age (13). I know they can not consent. But, if I seduce them -- without a violent rape --- the offense would be far worse than what this 19 yo young man did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Real life is not so black and white. I know, I know.. "the law says.."

It's a good thing nothing more happened. She went on a website meant for adults, and I would think that wasn't by accident. She agreed to have sex. She could be dead, with her killer running free. Someone needs to protect this kid from herself.

By legal definition or not, she did misrepresent herself. I've never used such an app but I expect she had to willingly misrepresent herself just to use it.

The courts and one or a few people here may not think a 14 year old is capable of such things but I certainly hope her parents do and impose very strict limits on her.

I wonder (just a thought) if the owners/makers of the app could somehow charge her for breaking the terms of use? Or is she too young for that too?

It should ABSOLUTELY be illegal for a person below the age of consent to knowingly lie and deceive about their true age to enter a sexual relationship with a person older than the age of consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't get is why he's treated the same as pedophile rapists who are attacking 6 year olds. Or rapists who attack women at night. Even though she was young, this was consensual. What we teach boys is "yes means yes" and she clearly said yes.

Registry hysteria, lead by cowardly lawmakers (and those who elect them) believing that creating registries for everything will improve public safety and show that these lawmakers aren't "soft on crime/pedos."

[Anonymous]

We charge 14 year olds as adults all the time. To say that this young lady bears no responsibility in this, despite her blatant dishonesty and trickery is ridiculous. She was in a space meant for adults (dating app), lied about her age, and had consensual (albeit illegal) sex. This is not the same thing as a predator seeking out child victims. She was as much a party to the "crime" as he was, and he does not deserve to have his life ruined as a result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We charge 14 year olds as adults all the time. To say that this young lady bears no responsibility in this, despite her blatant dishonesty and trickery is ridiculous. She was in a space meant for adults (dating app), lied about her age, and had consensual (albeit illegal) sex. This is not the same thing as a predator seeking out child victims. She was as much a party to the "crime" as he was, and he does not deserve to have his life ruined as a result.

The justice system by default treats women as perpetual victims and men as violent predators, shielding women from any responsibility for their behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We charge 14 year olds as adults all the time. To say that this young lady bears no responsibility in this, despite her blatant dishonesty and trickery is ridiculous. She was in a space meant for adults (dating app), lied about her age, and had consensual (albeit illegal) sex. This is not the same thing as a predator seeking out child victims. She was as much a party to the "crime" as he was, and he does not deserve to have his life ruined as a result.

Charge her with what?

And no, she did not have consensual sex. She is 14. She cannot have consensual sex with a 19-year-old.