S/o (VA public schools). IB and college preparedness

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Anonymous wrote:IB kids allowed to take AP exams in FCPS? If so, your AP numbers probably include bunch of IB kids too.

IB students can take AP exams,but students from IB schools in FCPS taking AP exams are a mere drop in the bucket. Most are from Robinson, a big school that offers some AP courses, and the average AP test scores for Robinson students were poor across the board and below the county average in 2012-13, according to FCPS data. The best preparation in FCPS for AP exams is taking AP classes at AP-only schools.

Then FCPS's AP numbers are inflated - any IB kid who takes AP will be counted as "AP" student and the exams counted with AP exams taken. But, since AP kids can't take IB exams, it will always inflate the AP data.

Yes, there are more students taking AP exams and more AP exams administered because students at IB schools can take AP exams. Duh.

It is odd to use the term "inflate" when those students actually are a drag on the average AP exam results for FCPS students. Maybe if IB had more to offer the students at IB schools would only take IB exams, or would be better prepared for the AP exams they do take.

IB students in FCPS deflate the scores? Seems like they would inflate them sincE many IB classes are 2 years where are you getting this info??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question: Do they get to take the AP exams for free and the IB exams for free? Are we paying for double exams? Add that to the cost. Cut IB now.

I don't know if FCPS picks up the exam fees for students taking AP exams who aren't enrolled in AP classes. But the IB exam fees are more expensive (at least $110 per subject vs. $91 per subject for AP) and there are all sorts of other assessments that the IBO levies, such as annual participation fees over $11K for every IB high school, plus the costs of IBO coordinators, training junkets, etc. There's no doubt that FCPS could save money and/or hire more teachers if it wasn't writing so many checks to the IBO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IB kids allowed to take AP exams in FCPS? If so, your AP numbers probably include bunch of IB kids too.

IB students can take AP exams,but students from IB schools in FCPS taking AP exams are a mere drop in the bucket. Most are from Robinson, a big school that offers some AP courses, and the average AP test scores for Robinson students were poor across the board and below the county average in 2012-13, according to FCPS data. The best preparation in FCPS for AP exams is taking AP classes at AP-only schools.

Then FCPS's AP numbers are inflated - any IB kid who takes AP will be counted as "AP" student and the exams counted with AP exams taken. But, since AP kids can't take IB exams, it will always inflate the AP data.

Yes, there are more students taking AP exams and more AP exams administered because students at IB schools can take AP exams. Duh.

It is odd to use the term "inflate" when those students actually are a drag on the average AP exam results for FCPS students. Maybe if IB had more to offer the students at IB schools would only take IB exams, or would be better prepared for the AP exams they do take.

IB students in FCPS deflate the scores? Seems like they would inflate them sincE many IB classes are 2 years where are you getting this info??

Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

[Anonymous]

Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

Kind of makes sense. We should expect they wouldn't do as well since they haven't taken the class.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

+1000

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Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

That's your problem. Obviously, if you're interested in seeing the 2012-13 AP data, and don't know where to find it, you could ask nicely. If you just want to sputter and look like an idiot, "put up or shut up" does the trick nicely.

[Anonymous]

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Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

Kind of makes sense. We should expect they wouldn't do as well since they haven't taken the class.

That is true. It's largely kids winging it on their own.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

That's your problem. Obviously, if you're interested in seeing the 2012-13 AP data, and don't know where to find it, you could ask nicely. If you just want to sputter and look like an idiot, "put up or shut up" does the trick nicely.

Pretty please

[Anonymous]

Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Not FOIA request. FOIA only applies to Federal matters. This is a local matter and not FOIA-able.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IB kids allowed to take AP exams in FCPS? If so, your AP numbers probably include bunch of IB kids too.

IB students can take AP exams,but students from IB schools in FCPS taking AP exams are a mere drop in the bucket. Most are from Robinson, a big school that offers some AP courses, and the average AP test scores for Robinson students were poor across the board and below the county average in 2012-13, according to FCPS data. The best preparation in FCPS for AP exams is taking AP classes at AP-only schools.

Then FCPS's AP numbers are inflated - any IB kid who takes AP will be counted as "AP" student and the exams counted with AP exams taken. But, since AP kids can't take IB exams, it will always inflate the AP data.

Yes, there are more students taking AP exams and more AP exams administered because students at IB schools can take AP exams. Duh.

It is odd to use the term "inflate" when those students actually are a drag on the average AP exam results for FCPS students. Maybe if IB had more to offer the students at IB schools would only take IB exams, or would be better prepared for the AP exams they do take.

IB students in FCPS deflate the scores? Seems like they would inflate them sincE many IB classes are 2 years where are you getting this info??

Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

You are either a liar or an idiot... Or both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Put up or shut up. I don't believe anyone's "interpretation" of data.

That's your problem. Obviously, if you're interested in seeing the 2012-13 AP data, and don't know where to find it, you could ask nicely. If you just want to sputter and look like an idiot, "put up or shut up" does the trick nicely.

Not the PP, but FCAG does a FOIA request and compiles the AP and IB scores by high school:

http://www.fcag.org/documents/AP_scores/ap_2012_2013.xls

On the AP front, it doesn't look like any IB students took AP tests. That's probably not right, so maybe theY say at the nearest school, and their numbers are rolled in. If FCAG doesn't have that data, it seems unlikely anyone else does. If you do have a source for the data, please share. I would tend to think AP scores are equal or higher, because you would have to be a very strong, motivated student to take AP & IB a tests.

Also here are the IB scores by subjects by school, and it does seem like the program is being implemented well (lots of kids use it with a pretty with a pretty high pass rate) at South Lakes, Marshall and Robinson (particularly when you consider most tests are taken by seniors, not juniors and seniors). The other IB schools have a less impressive showing.

http://www.fcag.org/documents/AP_scores/ib_2012_2013.xls

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Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Not FOIA request. FOIA only applies to Federal matters. This is a local matter and not FOIA-able.

Think, or at least do a little research, before you post next time. There are state FOIA laws, too.

http://www.fcps.edu/usingsite/foia.shtml

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Yes, and the data was the subject of a prior FOIA request to FCPS.

Not FOIA request. FOIA only applies to Federal matters. This is a local matter and not FOIA-able.

Think, or at least do a little research, before you post next time. There are state FOIA laws, too.

http://www.fcps.edu/usingsite/foia.shtml

It's called VFOIA, not FOIA.

[Anonymous]

PP w/ FCAG stats-- I didn't see the numbers in the subject tests, but if you look at the bottom of the AP chart, you will see that Marshall had the highest average AP scores after TJ a and South Lakes was in the top 1/3 in average scores. Robinson did terribly. The other school also had weak showing, but since they're low SES, they probably would have the weakest scores in the county anyway. I wouldn't say AP kids are pulling down IB numbers.