Downton Abbey February 8, 2015 SPOILERS

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Anonymous wrote:Dr Clarkson had been in the military and ran the military hospital at Downton. I think he would have known a good deal about homosexual behavior and maybe have developed a kinder perspective than was the norm

During his comments, it occurred to me that Clarkson may be gay. He did ask Isobel to marry him but he may have thought she was too old to care about sex and would be his beard

The fact that he hasn't interfered in Lord Merton's pursuit of Isobel adds to that thought

I have always wanted Isobel and Clarkson to get together, but maybe there is a reason they haven't

Ok if Dr. Clarkson is gay, PP you have broken my heart. Since I can't have him for myself, I want him for Isobel!

btw, one complaint…if Isobel's rationale for marrying Lord Merton is to "have one last grand adventure," why not marry Dr. Clarkson?

Really, what's going on here is I have a crush on Clarkson and while I understand a woman not wanting to date anyone, I don't understand a woman who would date Merton over Clarkson (a woman who isn't interested in money, that is, and we all know Isobel is too idealistic to marry solely for money)

I'm with you! I also have a crush on the doctor. Isobel said she had an "announcement" to make when the family is all together; I'm wondering if her announcement will be exactly the opposite of what we're all thinking it will be. Maybe she's decided not to accept Merton's proposal and instead has something else up her sleeve. She's full of life, that Isobel!

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP who came up with the "Baxter killed Greene" theory, and I can assure you that I have no knowledge as to what happens. I can't wait to find out myself!!!!!

[Anonymous]

I think Thomas knows something about Greene's murder. Every time the police come to the house to question someone, Thomas wants to know who are they questioning and what they are asking? Did he do IT?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Thomas knows something about Greene's murder. Every time the police come to the house to question someone, Thomas wants to know who are they questioning and what they are asking? Did he do IT?

Maybe, but I think his ears always perk up when there's trouble for Bates, so it might just be that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Thomas knows something about Greene's murder. Every time the police come to the house to question someone, Thomas wants to know who are they questioning and what they are asking? Did he do IT?

Maybe, but I think his ears always perk up when there's trouble for Bates, so it might just be that.

Thomas likes to keep tabs on everything that goes on in that house. He's the worst gossip ever. I think it goes back to the self-loathing, it makes him feel more important if he's "in the know" on every little secret. He hates being excluded from anything. And he's always looking for juicy stuff that he can use as blackmail material later on.

But I agree that he likes to make trouble for Bates in particular. He did just send the police a tip about Baxter knowing something about Greene's death - if he was involved in the death, I wouldn't think that he'd encourage the police's thinking that it was suspicious, he'd want to convince them that it was an accident. I think Thomas thinks Bates did it, and he thinks Baxter knows that somehow. He's just trying to stir up trouble again.

[Anonymous]

excuse me, but can we stay on topic, and get back to the main story line, which is what's going to happen to Isis?

[Anonymous]

Bates is going to kill Isis after Thomas locks her in one of the gamekeeper's sheds. Baxter and Mosley are going to happen upon the scene because they have been canoodling in the underbrush as the underclass should. Mary and either Charles Blake or Evelyn Whathisname or Tom or Tony Gillingham will be riding by (sidesaddle) with Rose and dishy Atticus and ignore the entire incident. Mr. Carson will be forced to tell Lord Grantham about Isis's demise, and the latter will cold cock the former. Cora will stand by helplessly and then Mrs. Hughes will cold cock Cora. Mrs. Patmore and Mrs. Hughes will be forced to run off to Mrs. P's cottage where they will form a GirlPower commune with Lady Edith, Marigold, Isobel Crawly, Daisy and the dreaded Bunting.

Lady Violet will look with disdain at Sprat and say "I never liked the dog. She was a bitch like me."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bates is going to kill Isis after Thomas locks her in one of the gamekeeper's sheds. Baxter and Mosley are going to happen upon the scene because they have been canoodling in the underbrush as the underclass should. Mary and either Charles Blake or Evelyn Whathisname or Tom or Tony Gillingham will be riding by (sidesaddle) with Rose and dishy Atticus and ignore the entire incident. Mr. Carson will be forced to tell Lord Grantham about Isis's demise, and the latter will cold cock the former. Cora will stand by helplessly and then Mrs. Hughes will cold cock Cora. Mrs. Patmore and Mrs. Hughes will be forced to run off to Mrs. P's cottage where they will form a GirlPower commune with Lady Edith, Marigold, Isobel Crawly, Daisy and the dreaded Bunting.

Lady Violet will look with disdain at Sprat and say "I never liked the dog. She was a bitch like me."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bates is going to kill Isis after Thomas locks her in one of the gamekeeper's sheds. Baxter and Mosley are going to happen upon the scene because they have been canoodling in the underbrush as the underclass should. Mary and either Charles Blake or Evelyn Whathisname or Tom or Tony Gillingham will be riding by (sidesaddle) with Rose and dishy Atticus and ignore the entire incident. Mr. Carson will be forced to tell Lord Grantham about Isis's demise, and the latter will cold cock the former. Cora will stand by helplessly and then Mrs. Hughes will cold cock Cora. Mrs. Patmore and Mrs. Hughes will be forced to run off to Mrs. P's cottage where they will form a GirlPower commune with Lady Edith, Marigold, Isobel Crawly, Daisy and the dreaded Bunting.

Lady Violet will look with disdain at Sprat and say "I never liked the dog. She was a bitch like me."

A. I love you.

B. Seriously, who the fuck killed Green?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bates is going to kill Isis after Thomas locks her in one of the gamekeeper's sheds. Baxter and Mosley are going to happen upon the scene because they have been canoodling in the underbrush as the underclass should. Mary and either Charles Blake or Evelyn Whathisname or Tom or Tony Gillingham will be riding by (sidesaddle) with Rose and dishy Atticus and ignore the entire incident. Mr. Carson will be forced to tell Lord Grantham about Isis's demise, and the latter will cold cock the former. Cora will stand by helplessly and then Mrs. Hughes will cold cock Cora. Mrs. Patmore and Mrs. Hughes will be forced to run off to Mrs. P's cottage where they will form a GirlPower commune with Lady Edith, Marigold, Isobel Crawly, Daisy and the dreaded Bunting.

Lady Violet will look with disdain at Sprat and say "I never liked the dog. She was a bitch like me."

lol!

[Anonymous]

Awesome plot summary, PP.

To other PP, no one gives an F who killed Greene. It is the most drawn-out, boring story line EVER.

[Anonymous]

The real question is....who is going to kill the Greene murder plot?! Let it die!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody else here ever wonder if the posters who speculate have actually already watched this season online? They're faking speculation.

I think most are true guesses, but I do remember a week or two ago there were posts that were surprisingly accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real question is....who is going to kill the Greene murder plot?! Let it die!

God, yes. It's so dull and I hate it.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think of the Thomas storyline?

I love the fact that Baxter has come to his rescue and he's warming to her. She seems like such a caring, thoughtful person. I like their new "friendship".

I do too.

As for the Thomas storyline, I just don't believe it:
1. I don't believe they showed Thomas to hate his sexuality before this. I don't understand why he wants to change. Not that it couldn't be true, but just that they haven't written this well. They've changed a pretty solid character into something more. I also think it's a bit of pandering to audiences to turn the gay villain into a kind of underdog hero.

2. While the doctor's words and perspectives were great, I also don't know that he would have been so wise and understanding at the time. It felt very anachronistic. More like moralizing for us than good storytelling.

I don't know about #1. After the whole episode of trying to kiss Jimmy and getting called out on it, he really seemed to go into a period of self-loathing and hatred. He was mean to everyone. Then when Jimmy returned and they became friends, he kind of mellowed out a bit. Still a jerk, but less overtly cruel to everyone around him (except Baxter - but I still think there's more going on there than we know about). I think it's because he was able to build a close friendship with something that he actually really cared for. Now that Jimmy's gone, he's descended back into self-loathing, and that's made him want to change himself. I think this decision to pursue treatments is directly tied to Jimmy's recent departure.

PPs with the theory about Baxter killing Greene: BRILLIANT! I knew there was more to her story, she never told anyone who coerced her into stealing. It would be a shame to see her taken away, though, I like her character on the show. If she did kill him, hopefully she'll get away with it. The interaction between her and Mosley is so sweet. I also want to know more about her relationship with Barrow - he clearly has more of a hold over her than simply having a sister that she knew.

I want Edith to be happy, I really do. I felt horribly for the Drewes, but Edith needs a chance to live her own life. She's been oppressed by Downton's rigidity for too long, I think she'll do much better out on her own. I hate the way Mary treats her, but having a sister of my own I can totally believe it.

Mary has a strong guard up against letting people get to know her. I keep thinking about Tom's statement to her that "you're a lot nicer than most people know" - which is EXACTLY something that Matthew said to her once upon a time. Those two men both managed to sneak into her heart while she was preoccupied elsewhere and didn't notice how close they were getting. Anyone who pursues her more overtly gets shut out. I like her platonic relationship with Tom and I actually hope they don't get together, but it's amazing how he's managed to break down her barriers the same way Matthew did. I miss that guy!

Well, it's a brilliant solution to the "Who killed greene?" question . . . but so contrived as to make you want to say "PUHLEEZE" to Julian Fellowes. BTW has anyone else noticed how well written the posts are on this thread as compared to the rest of DCUM.