Fairfax County Schools -- Is there a deterioration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just left a FFX public school for private last year. The main reason wasn't over crowding but those damn SOLs. Every night we'd ask the kids what they did in school. It seems all they did was an SOL practice test, SOL study guide, or something SOL related.

Yes, we still test but for the first time they are learning grammar, cursive, and literature. They are reading books and doing book reports that help them comprehend what they read. Not just writing an essay but creative ways such as making timelines about the story line, newspaper articles, plays, music lyrics, etc.

VA public schools take a writing SOL in certain grades. How many children in the system can use good grammar when it's not taught? My daughter is in 5th grade and knows what subjects and predicates, adjective phrases, and what subject compliments are, do public educated kids? Sure they know basic parts of speech. [i]

The current system of teaching the test isn't working, and until it changes my kids will stay out of the system. It's not a budget issue, or an over crowding issue but a philosophy issue.

You might want to check out whether that private school has courses for adults.

[Anonymous]

I'm a product of public schools. I can recognize the faults in my education.

[Anonymous]

I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

In Virginia, school districts are done by county or City. So they tend to be large. Fairfax County Public Schools is a very large district, 11th largest in the country. Different schools have different issues they are tackling. On the whole, the schools are very good and the test scores are higher than the surrounding school districts. It is generally an affluent highly educated population, but there are Title I schools in pockets. ~20-23% of the students qualify for free or reduced price lunches- so despite the affluence there is still poverty.

The school board just increased the class sizes to meet the budget- so there will be even more overcrowding.

The SOLs have been around for many years and I would say there was an initial decrease in the quality of education, but the SOL benchmarks have been increasing- so the quality of what is being tested has also been increasing.

Fairfax County matches up well to surrounding districts with a few exceptions. With 25 major HS (some are "secondary school because they include Middle School), there are some that are ranked very highly nationally and a few that still need work.

Do you know where in the County you will be looking?

[Anonymous]

Long Island schools are supposed to be very good due to their incredibly high taxes. At least they're supposed to have small classes. There will be a larger variety of classes here, but if you buy in a highly rated school district be prepared to have elementary classes around 30 every year.

[Anonymous]

Best comparison to top FCPS schools (Langley, McLean, Woodson, Madison, Oakton and Marshall pyramids) on Long Island would probably be the Syosset schools. TJ is a magnet school in FCPS like Stuyvesant in NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

In Virginia, school districts are done by county or City. So they tend to be large. Fairfax County Public Schools is a very large district, 11th largest in the country. Different schools have different issues they are tackling. On the whole, the schools are very good and the test scores are higher than the surrounding school districts. It is generally an affluent highly educated population, but there are Title I schools in pockets. ~20-23% of the students qualify for free or reduced price lunches- so despite the affluence there is still poverty.

The school board just increased the class sizes to meet the budget- so there will be even more overcrowding.

The SOLs have been around for many years and I would say there was an initial decrease in the quality of education, but the SOL benchmarks have been increasing- so the quality of what is being tested has also been increasing.

Fairfax County matches up well to surrounding districts with a few exceptions. With 25 major HS (some are "secondary school because they include Middle School), there are some that are ranked very highly nationally and a few that still need work.

Do you know where in the County you will be looking?

At the present time, I don't know which school district I'll be moving to. Right now I'm on a fact finding mission, to gather as much info (some of it a little overwhelming), then make a decision. It may be outside Fairfax County but still in the NOVA area. It appears and please correct me if I'm wrong; that its best to choose a district to live in based on the high school? From what I have read on this forum that is what most of the discussion is centered on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Long Island schools are supposed to be very good due to their incredibly high taxes. At least they're supposed to have small classes. There will be a larger variety of classes here, but if you buy in a highly rated school district be prepared to have elementary classes around 30 every year.

Thirty plus kids in a classroom is routine here on LI. At least from my experience. As a native of NYC Public Schools, I had 30 kids in a class throughout even till HS. What mattered then is how well the parents and teachers were engaged with each other. Now with all the standardization, there is little room for teachers to do one on one instructions. Its more like "get it if you can, and if not catch up" because deadlines have to be met to cover a certain amount of information. It is what it is.

On a whole LI schools are good. From reading here, your issues in Fairfax are the same issues here on LI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

In Virginia, school districts are done by county or City. So they tend to be large. Fairfax County Public Schools is a very large district, 11th largest in the country. Different schools have different issues they are tackling. On the whole, the schools are very good and the test scores are higher than the surrounding school districts. It is generally an affluent highly educated population, but there are Title I schools in pockets. ~20-23% of the students qualify for free or reduced price lunches- so despite the affluence there is still poverty.

The school board just increased the class sizes to meet the budget- so there will be even more overcrowding.

The SOLs have been around for many years and I would say there was an initial decrease in the quality of education, but the SOL benchmarks have been increasing- so the quality of what is being tested has also been increasing.

Fairfax County matches up well to surrounding districts with a few exceptions. With 25 major HS (some are "secondary school because they include Middle School), there are some that are ranked very highly nationally and a few that still need work.

Do you know where in the County you will be looking?

At the present time, I don't know which school district I'll be moving to. Right now I'm on a fact finding mission, to gather as much info (some of it a little overwhelming), then make a decision. It may be outside Fairfax County but still in the NOVA area. It appears and please correct me if I'm wrong; that its best to choose a district to live in based on the high school? From what I have read on this forum that is what most of the discussion is centered on.

Fairfax County has 25 High Schools/Secondary Schools in its district. It is best to choose based on high school boundary- but those change and with the new Superintendent- they will probably be changing in the next few year in many HS across the county. Arlington has 4 HS. Falls Church has 1 HS and is it called George Mason (the HS that has the name 'Falls Church High School' is one of the HS in Fairfax County). Here, we generally refer to "District" as the whole countywide (citywide) system.

There are Cities in northern Virginia: Falls Church, Alexandria - each run their own schools. However, the postal code for Falls Church and for Alexandria includes some houses in Fairfax County. So, you may have an address that says 'Falls Church" but it may actually be in Fairfax County and the children go to Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS). Same goes for Alexandria. This is important, because the schools in Alexandria City are generally considered to be very poor. It is important to use the school locators on the public school websites when you are looking at specific houses. Vienna and Fairfax City are similar, but they use FCPS. I know Fairfax City contracts with FCPS for its schools and has its own school board, but I don't know if Vienna has its own school board. Again, you can have a postal code of Fairfax or Vienna, but live outside the city limits.

[Anonymous]

It helps to remember Fairfax, Falls Church and Vienna are small jurisdictions that physically are located within the Fairfax County borders.

Vienna is a town and lacks legal authority under VA law to have separate schools. Vienna kids attends FCPS schools. Same is true for the towns of Clifton and Herndon.

Fairfax City owns four schools and has its own School Board, but contracts with FCPS to operate its schools, which are also attended by students who live in Fairfax County.

Falls Church City operates its own schools.

Other parts of Fairfax County also have Vienna, Fairfax and Falls Church mailing addresses, so you always need to check the specific address to determine the school assignments. The neighborhood assignments within FCPS periodically change, so there is no guarantee that you will always be zoned for the same schools. That is also the case in Arlington, Loudoun and Prince William Counties, which also operate county-wide school systems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

In Virginia, school districts are done by county or City. So they tend to be large. Fairfax County Public Schools is a very large district, 11th largest in the country. Different schools have different issues they are tackling. On the whole, the schools are very good and the test scores are higher than the surrounding school districts. It is generally an affluent highly educated population, but there are Title I schools in pockets. ~20-23% of the students qualify for free or reduced price lunches- so despite the affluence there is still poverty.

The school board just increased the class sizes to meet the budget- so there will be even more overcrowding.

The SOLs have been around for many years and I would say there was an initial decrease in the quality of education, but the SOL benchmarks have been increasing- so the quality of what is being tested has also been increasing.

Fairfax County matches up well to surrounding districts with a few exceptions. With 25 major HS (some are "secondary school because they include Middle School), there are some that are ranked very highly nationally and a few that still need work.

Do you know where in the County you will be looking?

At the present time, I don't know which school district I'll be moving to. Right now I'm on a fact finding mission, to gather as much info (some of it a little overwhelming), then make a decision. It may be outside Fairfax County but still in the NOVA area. It appears and please correct me if I'm wrong; that its best to choose a district to live in based on the high school? From what I have read on this forum that is what most of the discussion is centered on.

Fairfax County has 25 High Schools/Secondary Schools in its district. It is best to choose based on high school boundary- but those change and with the new Superintendent- they will probably be changing in the next few year in many HS across the county. Arlington has 4 HS. Falls Church has 1 HS and is it called George Mason (the HS that has the name 'Falls Church High School' is one of the HS in Fairfax County). Here, we generally refer to "District" as the whole countywide (citywide) system.

There are Cities in northern Virginia: Falls Church, Alexandria - each run their own schools. However, the postal code for Falls Church and for Alexandria includes some houses in Fairfax County. So, you may have an address that says 'Falls Church" but it may actually be in Fairfax County and the children go to Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS). Same goes for Alexandria. This is important, because the schools in Alexandria City are generally considered to be very poor. It is important to use the school locators on the public school websites when you are looking at specific houses. Vienna and Fairfax City are similar, but they use FCPS. I know Fairfax City contracts with FCPS for its schools and has its own school board, but I don't know if Vienna has its own school board. Again, you can have a postal code of Fairfax or Vienna, but live outside the city limits.

Thanks for the info. How often do the school boundaries change and why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

In Virginia, school districts are done by county or City. So they tend to be large. Fairfax County Public Schools is a very large district, 11th largest in the country. Different schools have different issues they are tackling. On the whole, the schools are very good and the test scores are higher than the surrounding school districts. It is generally an affluent highly educated population, but there are Title I schools in pockets. ~20-23% of the students qualify for free or reduced price lunches- so despite the affluence there is still poverty.

The school board just increased the class sizes to meet the budget- so there will be even more overcrowding.

The SOLs have been around for many years and I would say there was an initial decrease in the quality of education, but the SOL benchmarks have been increasing- so the quality of what is being tested has also been increasing.

Fairfax County matches up well to surrounding districts with a few exceptions. With 25 major HS (some are "secondary school because they include Middle School), there are some that are ranked very highly nationally and a few that still need work.

Do you know where in the County you will be looking?

At the present time, I don't know which school district I'll be moving to. Right now I'm on a fact finding mission, to gather as much info (some of it a little overwhelming), then make a decision. It may be outside Fairfax County but still in the NOVA area. It appears and please correct me if I'm wrong; that its best to choose a district to live in based on the high school? From what I have read on this forum that is what most of the discussion is centered on.

Fairfax County has 25 High Schools/Secondary Schools in its district. It is best to choose based on high school boundary- but those change and with the new Superintendent- they will probably be changing in the next few year in many HS across the county. Arlington has 4 HS. Falls Church has 1 HS and is it called George Mason (the HS that has the name 'Falls Church High School' is one of the HS in Fairfax County). Here, we generally refer to "District" as the whole countywide (citywide) system.

There are Cities in northern Virginia: Falls Church, Alexandria - each run their own schools. However, the postal code for Falls Church and for Alexandria includes some houses in Fairfax County. So, you may have an address that says 'Falls Church" but it may actually be in Fairfax County and the children go to Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS). Same goes for Alexandria. This is important, because the schools in Alexandria City are generally considered to be very poor. It is important to use the school locators on the public school websites when you are looking at specific houses. Vienna and Fairfax City are similar, but they use FCPS. I know Fairfax City contracts with FCPS for its schools and has its own school board, but I don't know if Vienna has its own school board. Again, you can have a postal code of Fairfax or Vienna, but live outside the city limits.

Thanks for the info. How often do the school boundaries change and why?

There usually are some changes every year or two. They change to address capacity issues when certain schools are over-capacity. Sometimes they change when a particular School Board member wants to alter the demographics at a school within his or her district, and can get the other School Board members to go along with a redistricting. Sometimes the changes relate only to special programs, such as the elementary school assignments to AAP (Advanced Academic Program) centers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm new to this forum and my family is considering moving into the area from Long Island. So far I'm not used to all the acronyms used so that is very confusing to me. However what is not confusing to me is most of the posting do not answer the question----Is there a deterioration in the schools? So I will ask some questions:

1) What is lacking in the schools? On the elementary, middle, and high school level.

2) Overcrowding is nothing new in any public school in this country. So what is being done (if any) to reduce the overcrowding in Fairfax?

3) Teaching to the test is also nothing new. The question is: What are the students learning from this process and has there been a decrease in grades or education through this process?

4) With the changes seen by those on this forum, how does Fairfax schools match up to surrounding schools in other counties? I can look at Greatschool.com or .org if I want numbers. What I'm looking for is info from parents who are involved in the schools and not relying on the teacher to do all the teaching.

In Virginia, school districts are done by county or City. So they tend to be large. Fairfax County Public Schools is a very large district, 11th largest in the country. Different schools have different issues they are tackling. On the whole, the schools are very good and the test scores are higher than the surrounding school districts. It is generally an affluent highly educated population, but there are Title I schools in pockets. ~20-23% of the students qualify for free or reduced price lunches- so despite the affluence there is still poverty.

The school board just increased the class sizes to meet the budget- so there will be even more overcrowding.

The SOLs have been around for many years and I would say there was an initial decrease in the quality of education, but the SOL benchmarks have been increasing- so the quality of what is being tested has also been increasing.

Fairfax County matches up well to surrounding districts with a few exceptions. With 25 major HS (some are "secondary school because they include Middle School), there are some that are ranked very highly nationally and a few that still need work.

Do you know where in the County you will be looking?

At the present time, I don't know which school district I'll be moving to. Right now I'm on a fact finding mission, to gather as much info (some of it a little overwhelming), then make a decision. It may be outside Fairfax County but still in the NOVA area. It appears and please correct me if I'm wrong; that its best to choose a district to live in based on the high school? From what I have read on this forum that is what most of the discussion is centered on.

Fairfax County has 25 High Schools/Secondary Schools in its district. It is best to choose based on high school boundary- but those change and with the new Superintendent- they will probably be changing in the next few year in many HS across the county. Arlington has 4 HS. Falls Church has 1 HS and is it called George Mason (the HS that has the name 'Falls Church High School' is one of the HS in Fairfax County). Here, we generally refer to "District" as the whole countywide (citywide) system.

There are Cities in northern Virginia: Falls Church, Alexandria - each run their own schools. However, the postal code for Falls Church and for Alexandria includes some houses in Fairfax County. So, you may have an address that says 'Falls Church" but it may actually be in Fairfax County and the children go to Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS). Same goes for Alexandria. This is important, because the schools in Alexandria City are generally considered to be very poor. It is important to use the school locators on the public school websites when you are looking at specific houses. Vienna and Fairfax City are similar, but they use FCPS. I know Fairfax City contracts with FCPS for its schools and has its own school board, but I don't know if Vienna has its own school board. Again, you can have a postal code of Fairfax or Vienna, but live outside the city limits.

Thanks for the info. How often do the school boundaries change and why?

There usually are some changes every year or two. They change to address capacity issues when certain schools are over-capacity. Sometimes they change when a particular School Board member wants to alter the demographics at a school within his or her district, and can get the other School Board members to go along with a redistricting. Sometimes the changes relate only to special programs, such as the elementary school assignments to AAP (Advanced Academic Program) centers.

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

I actually argue that elementary school is the most important and you should choose a place based on that. During elementary school most students are not tracked

Once you reach middle school students are tracked and every school in Fairfax county has at least one class/section tracking at the highest level

The one consideration at the high school level is whether you care if the program is AP or IB

[Anonymous]

FCPS kids are tracked in elementary and middle school. High school is important for college and also because those friendships tend to last into adulthood.