Homosexuality and the Bible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HA! I'm not the ranting atheist that you think you're referring to. The article posted was tongue in cheek humor. Or do you need to look that up to know what it means, because you clearly don't have any. This thread is dead because it was a funny article posted and you assholes "want to have a conversation" about frickin' scriptures and crap. It was A FUNNY POST. Do you not understand that??

TL;dr

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, it says in the Old Testament that it is wrong for a man to have relations with another man.

Are you really going to make me go through the Old Testament and point out the multitude of "rules" that have no place in modern society? Really? 'Cause there sure are a lot of them . . .

I LOVE it when DCUM does a midrosh thread. Pre-Roshashanna-Yom Kippur-confession-harvest-pagan-blood-libel is on deck! Good times.

[Anonymous]

What does that mean?? Sometimes my brain doesn't function in shorthand...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean?? Sometimes my brain doesn't function in shorthand...

Sorry, this was meant for the first one above here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Christians have an image problem, Exhibit #388233373:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/anti-abortion-protesters-target-clinics-landlord-outside-childs-md-school/2011/09/12/gIQAn8z2NK_story.html

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Not so fast, my friend.

--protestors were not identified. No way to know their religious affiliation.

--there were five protestors one day, two one other day, could have been the same people. Not representative sample.

--note that the picture accompanying the article was from a completely different protest almost one year ago (how do they get away with that?).

--people from all/no religious backgrounds find late-term abortions morally problematic.

Your link exposes your prejudice that Christians are mean-spirited and not that bright. That's a shame.

What, you mean a bunch of Buddhists showed up for a protest organized by Defend Life, which has a picture of the Pope on the front page of its web site???

[Anonymous]

I agree, the link dealt with the OT. As I've said a few times right above, I have no problem with the link, and I certainly don't consider it a "slap in the face" as you say. Check out my post, the second in the thread at 15:58, to see my response to the link.

My problem, as I keep trying to say, is that several posters felt they had to shut down what i thought was a good discussion about how one can believe in god and not think homosexuality is wrong. There were at least two of us who were arguing this position, and another poster who wasn't on board with it. But discussing the separability of the OT and whether to take Paul at face value was all good stuff, IMO, and even a necessary step for explaining to homosexuals why many of us Christians have no problem with homosexuality. My problem is this: so why did a bunch of posters tell us to stop our discussion on the grounds it was a joke and we obviously had no sense of humor?

[Anonymous]

13:56, who cares what other people did? You had your discussion and have explained your position. Many times in fact, so it's not like your voice wasn't heard. So what's the PROBLEM??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Christians have an image problem, Exhibit #388233373:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/anti-abortion-protesters-target-clinics-landlord-outside-childs-md-school/2011/09/12/gIQAn8z2NK_story.html

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Not so fast, my friend.

--protestors were not identified. No way to know their religious affiliation.

--there were five protestors one day, two one other day, could have been the same people. Not representative sample.

--note that the picture accompanying the article was from a completely different protest almost one year ago (how do they get away with that?).

--people from all/no religious backgrounds find late-term abortions morally problematic.

Your link exposes your prejudice that Christians are mean-spirited and not that bright. That's a shame.

What, you mean a bunch of Buddhists showed up for a protest organized by Defend Life, which has a picture of the Pope on the front page of its web site???

Most Christians don't consider Catholics Christians.

And all Christians are capable of acting in un-Christian ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Christians have an image problem, Exhibit #388233373:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/anti-abortion-protesters-target-clinics-landlord-outside-childs-md-school/2011/09/12/gIQAn8z2NK_story.html

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Not so fast, my friend.

--protestors were not identified. No way to know their religious affiliation.

--there were five protestors one day, two one other day, could have been the same people. Not representative sample.

--note that the picture accompanying the article was from a completely different protest almost one year ago (how do they get away with that?).

--people from all/no religious backgrounds find late-term abortions morally problematic.

Your link exposes your prejudice that Christians are mean-spirited and not that bright. That's a shame.

What, you mean a bunch of Buddhists showed up for a protest organized by Defend Life, which has a picture of the Pope on the front page of its web site???

Most Christians don't consider Catholics Christians.

And all Christians are capable of acting in un-Christian ways.

Really, because that's not the official position of most of the Christian Churches. Not the Baptists, Southern Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, or the Methodists.

Which denominations are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:13:56, who cares what other people did? You had your discussion and have explained your position. Many times in fact, so it's not like your voice wasn't heard. So what's the PROBLEM??

I don't know how to rephrase this for you, but I'll try again:

The conversation was shut down before it was finished, by a stream of insults to the effect that the conversation shouldn't have occurred in the first place. I had more to say, and I bet others did too. That was a waste of a good opportunity to explain how many of us Christians have no problem with homosexuality.

[Anonymous]

Really, because that's not the official position of most of the Christian Churches. Not the Baptists, Southern Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, or the Methodists.

Which denominations are you referring to?

I only know about episcopalians and Presbyterians:
- The Episcopal church allows gay priests. True, a small minority of members broke away and created the Anglican church.
- The Presbyterians have "More Light" churches that are explicitely welcoming to gays.

My friend, a Methodist, told me a while back that Methodists were looking into this issue, and a lot of people he knew were in favor of welcoming gays. I don't know where this discussion went.

[Anonymous]

Really, because that's not the official position of most of the Christian Churches. Not the Baptists, Southern Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, or the Methodists.

Which denominations are you referring to?

It's a small point, and you are right, most Christian denominations formally recognize that Catholics follow Christ. But they keep Catholics in a separate category from Christians.

Brief examples: a Baptist friend from grad school told me that Catholics were damned unless they renounced their faith, because the Church is the Whore of Babylon.

When I tried to join the Christian homeschool group while stationed in NC, I was asked to leave after the leaders noticed my children making the sign of the cross when we said grace. They uncomfortably asked if I hadn't noticed it was a Christian group, not a Catholic group. I smiled and said, "We're all Christians!" and they frowned and said, no, you're not, and you can't participate anymore.

Southern Baptist family made a presentation about Canada at a homeschool "culture fair," and stated that Canada is majority Roman Catholic, so their people worshipped idols rather than Christ.

So the distinction between Catholic and Christian is significant in some ways. That is why we pray for the "unity of Christians" in our intentions at mass.

[Anonymous]

Nobody shuts down conversation on an anonymous forum without your consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Christians have an image problem, Exhibit #388233373:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/anti-abortion-protesters-target-clinics-landlord-outside-childs-md-school/2011/09/12/gIQAn8z2NK_story.html

.

Not so fast, my friend.

--protestors were not identified. No way to know their religious affiliation.

--there were five protestors one day, two one other day, could have been the same people. Not representative sample.

--note that the picture accompanying the article was from a completely different protest almost one year ago (how do they get away with that?).

--people from all/no religious backgrounds find late-term abortions morally problematic.

Your link exposes your prejudice that Christians are mean-spirited and not that bright. That's a shame.

What, you mean a bunch of Buddhists showed up for a protest organized by Defend Life, which has a picture of the Pope on the front page of its web site???

Most Christians don't consider Catholics Christians.

And all Christians are capable of acting in un-Christian ways.

Awwww. It's *on* now baby!! Where's Martin Luther when you need him. And I'm not talking about King, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Really, because that's not the official position of most of the Christian Churches. Not the Baptists, Southern Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, or the Methodists.

Which denominations are you referring to?

It's a small point, and you are right, most Christian denominations formally recognize that Catholics follow Christ. But they keep Catholics in a separate category from Christians.

Brief examples: a Baptist friend from grad school told me that Catholics were damned unless they renounced their faith, because the Church is the Whore of Babylon.

When I tried to join the Christian homeschool group while stationed in NC, I was asked to leave after the leaders noticed my children making the sign of the cross when we said grace. They uncomfortably asked if I hadn't noticed it was a Christian group, not a Catholic group. I smiled and said, "We're all Christians!" and they frowned and said, no, you're not, and you can't participate anymore.

Southern Baptist family made a presentation about Canada at a homeschool "culture fair," and stated that Canada is majority Roman Catholic, so their people worshipped idols rather than Christ.

So the distinction between Catholic and Christian is significant in some ways. That is why we pray for the "unity of Christians" in our intentions at mass.

Not the pp - but I've known a lot of Christians who claim that Catholics aren't Christians. For that matter, I meet a lot of Christians who can't seem to agree on much with other Christians (ironic when they claim to have truth - but anyway).

Catholic is not seperate from Christian. Catholic is separate from protestant. Christianity has 3 major sects - Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodox. Within those, there are some denominations (or, with the case of Protestantism, thousands of sects).

Just a little world religion 101...