What type of stats/activities do you need to get into Boston University/BC?

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools need safeties for the bottom part of their classes those Boston schools check the boxes.

BC is NOT a safety lol. Signed mom of a private school kid.

Depends on the private school and your stats. For some it is

PP here. I am referring to the "bottom part of their classes" remark. It is not a safety school for the "bottom part of their classes" in any school, public or private.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

BC is need blind, so I don't know where you are getting your information. You seem a bit on edge about BC in general...did your kid get in and you had to say no even though he wanted to go? Or maybe your kid wanted to ED, and that wasn't an option for your finances? It's ok! There are a lot of great schools out there. But to keep coming on this thread to bash BC is just weird.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

So you agree that people are free to spend money as they see the proper fit their family (so generous of you to acknowledge our free will to make our own spending decisions!). That makes it the right decision for us. It's illogical to then pretend the conclusion is otherwise. If you can't afford it or you think Penn State is a better value, that's on you, go for it. See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

BC is need blind, so I don't know where you are getting your information. You seem a bit on edge about BC in general...did your kid get in and you had to say no even though he wanted to go? Or maybe your kid wanted to ED, and that wasn't an option for your finances? It's ok! There are a lot of great schools out there. But to keep coming on this thread to bash BC is just weird.

this school should come with a trigger warning for some (prolific) posters

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Anonymous wrote:We went on a college tour at BU and the AO presenting said the average SAT score was 1500. They also take test optional so I’m assuming the 1500 is for only the ones with high scores. But then Duke is also TO and would think they would also be similar 1500+.

I have one junior who is 1500+, straight As, too many activities and awards to list that I am not worried about for college.

I have another kid who also has good grades, did not take SAT yet, plays 3 sports and an instrument. Does not do many/any other clubs. Can a kid like this get into BU/BC if he has a decent SAT score and mostly As?

That is very odd coming from BU. We just toured it two months ago and they encouraged kids with a 1300+ to apply. I know this forum makes a 1500+ look like the norm, but to put things in perspective, a 1300 still puts you in the top 10 percentile.

1300 SAT scores are above average scores. If they do very well at everything else they have a good shot. And they would be deserving.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

BC is need blind, so I don't know where you are getting your information. You seem a bit on edge about BC in general...did your kid get in and you had to say no even though he wanted to go? Or maybe your kid wanted to ED, and that wasn't an option for your finances? It's ok! There are a lot of great schools out there. But to keep coming on this thread to bash BC is just weird.

ED forces you to attend a school. Rich kids apply to BC ED and BC knows they can pay, so BC accepts a ton ED. Then its RD rate is deflated well below what a school of its caliber should be.

Please, as if anyone here is jealous about BC. Don’t embarrass yourself

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

BC is need blind, so I don't know where you are getting your information. You seem a bit on edge about BC in general...did your kid get in and you had to say no even though he wanted to go? Or maybe your kid wanted to ED, and that wasn't an option for your finances? It's ok! There are a lot of great schools out there. But to keep coming on this thread to bash BC is just weird.

ED forces you to attend a school. Rich kids apply to BC ED and BC knows they can pay, so BC accepts a ton ED. Then its RD rate is deflated well below what a school of its caliber should be.

Please, as if anyone here is jealous about BC. Don’t embarrass yourself

You sound rather salty about it yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

So you agree that people are free to spend money as they see the proper fit their family (so generous of you to acknowledge our free will to make our own spending decisions!). That makes it the right decision for us. It's illogical to then pretend the conclusion is otherwise. If you can't afford it or you think Penn State is a better value, that's on you, go for it. See how that works?

Putting 400k on red at the roulette table has better odds for a good ROI and is more fun to boot. Or buy a boat. So no, 400k at BC wasn’t the right decision for your family.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

BC is need blind, so I don't know where you are getting your information. You seem a bit on edge about BC in general...did your kid get in and you had to say no even though he wanted to go? Or maybe your kid wanted to ED, and that wasn't an option for your finances? It's ok! There are a lot of great schools out there. But to keep coming on this thread to bash BC is just weird.

ED forces you to attend a school. Rich kids apply to BC ED and BC knows they can pay, so BC accepts a ton ED. Then its RD rate is deflated well below what a school of its caliber should be.

Please, as if anyone here is jealous about BC. Don’t embarrass yourself

You sound rather salty about it yourself.

BC’s defenders sound like community college grads defending their alma maters. Too strident to be confident in their decision.

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Anonymous wrote:You can tell BC has a lot going for it from the desperate criticism from ND, Georgetown, & Holy Cross fans.

ND folks are apparently green with envy over BC’s unlimited off-campus activities. It seems to really bother Hoyas that BC has a beautiful campus & a football team that draws tens of thousands of spectators rather than just tens. And Holy Cross boosters always point out that the city of Boston is just a quick one-hour drive from Worcester. And somebody here is obsessed with the % of commuters BC had during the Nixon years.

How’s about everybody just calm down & revel in the strengths of their own school without inventing stuff to hurl at the others?

ND and Gtown aren’t jealous of BC. Gtown is hardly Catholic, too. BC is a fine school, it’s just at that level of cost and respectability where it’s an open question whether it is worth attending and paying for it over cheaper options with worse academics. Someone from PA should go to Penn State over BC, for instance, absent a massive scholarship.

It's about fit and affordability. My kid got into lots of great schools but picked BC because it felt right for them. Feeling blessed we can afford to send them there.

If you are in a position that 90,000 a year or whatever it is now isn’t a big deal, then good on you and it may be the right decision. For most Americans, going to BC at even half that cost is stupidity.

Then those Americans should enroll elsewhere. I clearly said affordability. We saved the money for college. Whatever college is right for our kid will be accessible to them, regardless of cost or rank. It isn't always about ROI. We also spent $50K a year on private high school even though we live in a very strong school district.

They do enroll elsewhere and BC knows that. That is why they prioritize full pay ED applicants to the extent it’s practically a meme.

You are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, objectively BC at sticker is a ripoff

BC is need blind, so I don't know where you are getting your information. You seem a bit on edge about BC in general...did your kid get in and you had to say no even though he wanted to go? Or maybe your kid wanted to ED, and that wasn't an option for your finances? It's ok! There are a lot of great schools out there. But to keep coming on this thread to bash BC is just weird.

this school should come with a trigger warning for some (prolific) posters

I agree. I shudder to think about my Ivy being a Mickey Mouse degree on a ton of online chat boards and considered a safety school by any halfway academic high school senior.