Forbes "New Ivy" List

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

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For an UMC kid (aka full pay) there is no better value than being in-state for one of the public’s on this list. Next best value is probably CW with merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Also, Nursing, as a profession/industry, has undergone a sea change in the past 30 years. NPs and other highly educated nurse roles are taking over care roles that were historically filled by MDs. This is especially true in primary care, anesthesiology, and pediatrics.

It makes sense that Emory and Duke are focusing on their nursing game. I predict that NPs will be firstline care providers in most practice areas within 50 years. You will probably only see an MD if you have a very high needs / complex case or need surgery.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

Wow Times are a changing.

I have heard this anecdotally from hiring directors in my network too. Something about an entitled attitude that they're turning off on.

For those of us with kids at both a New Ivy and a real Ivy, we know it isn’t true.

Just that the types of opportunities are different. At the Ivy you don’t see the F500 (other than tech and finance) companies much and almost no kid will show interest. You will see far more boutique firms recruiting, usually because an alum started it and they recruit heavily from their undergrad. You also have the start-up groups making many trips to the Ivy campus encouraging kids to start companies.

The New Ivy has some of the above but much smaller, but more traditional corporate employers and more regional employers. Definitely has more companies representing the group that responded to this Forbes survey.

Schools are great fits for each of the kids attending, so no complaints.

FWIW, my husband always says his Ivy hurts his resume more than it helps him. I find this really hard to believe, but he swears by it, and I can see his point. There IS a perception that comes along with the name - for better and sometimes worse.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

Wow Times are a changing.

I have heard this anecdotally from hiring directors in my network too. Something about an entitled attitude that they're turning off on.

For those of us with kids at both a New Ivy and a real Ivy, we know it isn’t true.

Just that the types of opportunities are different. At the Ivy you don’t see the F500 (other than tech and finance) companies much and almost no kid will show interest. You will see far more boutique firms recruiting, usually because an alum started it and they recruit heavily from their undergrad. You also have the start-up groups making many trips to the Ivy campus encouraging kids to start companies.

The New Ivy has some of the above but much smaller, but more traditional corporate employers and more regional employers. Definitely has more companies representing the group that responded to this Forbes survey.

Schools are great fits for each of the kids attending, so no complaints.

FWIW, my husband always says his Ivy hurts his resume more than it helps him. I find this really hard to believe, but he swears by it, and I can see his point. There IS a perception that comes along with the name - for better and sometimes worse.

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

These are all outstanding schools. Anyone would be well set up if they attend. Yes the "new Ivy" label is a bit cringe but I like knowing where employers have been impressed to hire and the AI info is good to know as well.

We do our own research, not piggybank on magazine rankings, but these seem like strong choices based on our own vetting.

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Anonymous wrote:As with most rankings, it really depends on what the student wants to do and where they want to live. Some industries really only recruit from certain predominantly Ivy schools. Like finance. If you want finance or consulting in New York City, you are better off going to most of the Ivy schools. But if you want the same field and are willing to live elsewhere like Chicago, SF, Dallas, Seattle etc then you will have plenty of opportunities coming out of Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Rice, Michigan, WashU, Emory etc.

But if engineering or tech, you can drop all the Ivy schools except Cornell and Princeton. You will have more opportunities going to Georgia Tech, Rice, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, Texas, Michigan because that’s where the engineering talent is today. Going to Harvard or Yale would be a big mistake if you actually want to build things.

As for other fields, it doesn’t matter that much at this level of schools. Grad/law/med schools aren’t favoring Columbia/Brown/Dartmouth over Rice/Vandy/CMU. HYP students still gets an extra look, but as others have noted, every employer is wary of the privilege and laziness they often bring.

This is a really simplistic way of looking at things. I guarantee you will have all the same opportunities graduating from Harvard "if you want to build things" as you will at CMU or Ga Tech.

Go look at the top Y Combinator companies below, which are companies founded by basically early 20 somethings and accepted into Y Combinator (which nearly always leads to venture funding for these companies). Harvard has 3x as many as CMU and 4x as many as Ga Tech. Rice, Purdue and Texas don't even make the list.

Top 15 Universities for YC Founders 🏆

1) 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 - 704
2) 𝐇𝐚𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐫𝐝 - 482
3) 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐲 - 453
4) 𝐌𝐈𝐓 - 425
5) 𝐈𝐈𝐓 - 271
6) 𝐔𝐏𝐞𝐧𝐧 - 265
7) 𝐖𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐥𝐨𝐨 - 186
8) 𝐂𝐨𝐥𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐢𝐚 - 182
9) 𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐠𝐢𝐞 𝐌𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 - 160
10) 𝐂𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐔𝐧𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐲 - 159
11) 𝐂𝐚𝐦𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐠𝐞 - 146
12) 𝐎𝐱𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 - 143
13) 𝐘𝐚𝐥𝐞 - 132
14) 𝐌𝐢𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐧 - 131
15) 𝐆𝐞𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐚 𝐓𝐞𝐜𝐡 - 122

Your post and "YC founders" list was so meaningless. Hiring managers know what schools they want engineers out of and the poster you were responding to was for the most part right.

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The diminish of Ivies in favor of top Tech Publics in this day and age of ever advancing Tech has really hit a nerve with many on this board. My real question is why the heck are you surprised, it had to happen eventually and it is.

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Anonymous wrote:As with most rankings, it really depends on what the student wants to do and where they want to live. Some industries really only recruit from certain predominantly Ivy schools. Like finance. If you want finance or consulting in New York City, you are better off going to most of the Ivy schools. But if you want the same field and are willing to live elsewhere like Chicago, SF, Dallas, Seattle etc then you will have plenty of opportunities coming out of Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Rice, Michigan, WashU, Emory etc.

But if engineering or tech, you can drop all the Ivy schools except Cornell and Princeton. You will have more opportunities going to Georgia Tech, Rice, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, Texas, Michigan because that’s where the engineering talent is today. Going to Harvard or Yale would be a big mistake if you actually want to build things.

As for other fields, it doesn’t matter that much at this level of schools. Grad/law/med schools aren’t favoring Columbia/Brown/Dartmouth over Rice/Vandy/CMU. HYP students still gets an extra look, but as others have noted, every employer is wary of the privilege and laziness they often bring.

This is a really simplistic way of looking at things. I guarantee you will have all the same opportunities graduating from Harvard "if you want to build things" as you will at CMU or Ga Tech.

Go look at the top Y Combinator companies below, which are companies founded by basically early 20 somethings and accepted into Y Combinator (which nearly always leads to venture funding for these companies). Harvard has 3x as many as CMU and 4x as many as Ga Tech. Rice, Purdue and Texas don't even make the list.

Top 15 Universities for YC Founders 🏆

1) 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 - 704
2) 𝐇𝐚𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐫𝐝 - 482
3) 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐲 - 453
4) 𝐌𝐈𝐓 - 425
5) 𝐈𝐈𝐓 - 271
6) 𝐔𝐏𝐞𝐧𝐧 - 265
7) 𝐖𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐥𝐨𝐨 - 186
8) 𝐂𝐨𝐥𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐢𝐚 - 182
9) 𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐠𝐢𝐞 𝐌𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 - 160
10) 𝐂𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐔𝐧𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐲 - 159
11) 𝐂𝐚𝐦𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐠𝐞 - 146
12) 𝐎𝐱𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 - 143
13) 𝐘𝐚𝐥𝐞 - 132
14) 𝐌𝐢𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐧 - 131
15) 𝐆𝐞𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐚 𝐓𝐞𝐜𝐡 - 122

Your post and "YC founders" list was so meaningless. Hiring managers know what schools they want engineers out of and the poster you were responding to was for the most part right.

Talk about a meaningless post.

What’s worse than your meaningless post? A post that makes us all dumber?

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Anonymous wrote:The diminish of Ivies in favor of top Tech Publics in this day and age of ever advancing Tech has really hit a nerve with many on this board. My real question is why the heck are you surprised, it had to happen eventually and it is.

This thread is about 10 private schools and 10 public schools. It’s not even focused on tech.

Sure you are commenting on the right thread?

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I find this whole thing kinda funny. This is nothing new. “William & Mary was first called a "Public Ivy" in 1985 by author and former Yale admissions dean Richard Moll in his book Public Ivies: A Guide to America's Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities. Moll identified eight schools that provided an Ivy League-level education at a public school price.” UVA, Michigan, UNC, UT Austin, Cal all part of the original 8 over 40 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

Universities are not people. Universities do not care about other universities. Faculty at each university have a career that is focused on themselves. The faculty do not care about trivial comparisons of universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

Universities are not people. Universities do not care about other universities. Faculty at each university have a career that is focused on themselves. The faculty do not care about trivial comparisons of universities.

So…you agree with PP. They don’t care.

You sound like a weird person.