Forbes "New Ivy" List

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

Universities are not people. Universities do not care about other universities. Faculty at each university have a career that is focused on themselves. The faculty do not care about trivial comparisons of universities.

So…you agree with PP. They don’t care.

You sound like a weird person.

They are not capable of caring. The original comment was bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

Universities are not people. Universities do not care about other universities. Faculty at each university have a career that is focused on themselves. The faculty do not care about trivial comparisons of universities.

So…you agree with PP. They don’t care.

You sound like a weird person.

They are not capable of caring. The original comment was bizarre.

Again, you sound like an odd duck.

But thanks for stopping by.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

Universities are not people. Universities do not care about other universities. Faculty at each university have a career that is focused on themselves. The faculty do not care about trivial comparisons of universities.

So…you agree with PP. They don’t care.

You sound like a weird person.

They are not capable of caring. The original comment was bizarre.

Again, you sound like an odd duck.

But thanks for stopping by.

You sound like you eat a lot of crayons.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

Great...but why would an Ivy+ that has zero nursing programs at any level care about schools that do?

Your mind is broken. This is not how the world works.

Explain to us how the world works.

Universities are not people. Universities do not care about other universities. Faculty at each university have a career that is focused on themselves. The faculty do not care about trivial comparisons of universities.

So…you agree with PP. They don’t care.

You sound like a weird person.

They are not capable of caring. The original comment was bizarre.

Again, you sound like an odd duck.

But thanks for stopping by.

You sound like you eat a lot of crayons.

You keep proving my point…but do go on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing kinda funny. This is nothing new. “William & Mary was first called a "Public Ivy" in 1985 by author and former Yale admissions dean Richard Moll in his book Public Ivies: A Guide to America's Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities. Moll identified eight schools that provided an Ivy League-level education at a public school price.” UVA, Michigan, UNC, UT Austin, Cal all part of the original 8 over 40 years ago.

It’s always been clickbait to sell books to (or get clicks from) desperate parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing kinda funny. This is nothing new. “William & Mary was first called a "Public Ivy" in 1985 by author and former Yale admissions dean Richard Moll in his book Public Ivies: A Guide to America's Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities. Moll identified eight schools that provided an Ivy League-level education at a public school price.” UVA, Michigan, UNC, UT Austin, Cal all part of the original 8 over 40 years ago.

It’s always been clickbait to sell books to (or get clicks from) desperate parents.

lol and USNWR College Rankings isn't?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing kinda funny. This is nothing new. “William & Mary was first called a "Public Ivy" in 1985 by author and former Yale admissions dean Richard Moll in his book Public Ivies: A Guide to America's Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities. Moll identified eight schools that provided an Ivy League-level education at a public school price.” UVA, Michigan, UNC, UT Austin, Cal all part of the original 8 over 40 years ago.

It’s always been clickbait to sell books to (or get clicks from) desperate parents.

lol and USNWR College Rankings isn't?

That is also clickbait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

Air Force Academy & Case Western are NEW to the list. Which schools came off?

Air force academy is not a "public" university.

The Academy should be on the other list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that the article is 90% about how these schools are incorporating AI into really everything throughout the curriculum.

Wasn't expecting that to be the thrust of it.

No it didn't. It just said the reality of AI is changing hiring. The quote I took away was “The most promising talents today are beginning to emerge from institutions that prioritize intellectual rigor over inherited prestige.” And - "That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so."

Talent matters. And companies recognize that all the hooked this and that at Harvard and Princeton generally aren't great hires in 2026. Students at colleges that prioritize real talent tend to be better. I mean this is a pretty obvious observation for anyone that has been paying attention for the past five years.

I mean...yes it literally did. The first three paragraphs are about how AI is changing the jobs landscape. The next 4 paragraphs are about how the schools on the list are adapting to this new environment by incorporating AI. Then there is the 1 paragraph that you pulled from above. Then there like 8 more paragraphs again about how the schools are using AI.

So... you are correct because it's more like 95% of the article is how these schools are using AI.

BTW...that paragraph is really just utter bullshit and I have a kid at an actual Ivy and a "New Ivy" that's on the list. Both are great for these kids but my Ivy kid has so many opportunities available to them. The issue is the people responding to the Forbes survey are coming from your traditional corporate environments (think executives at Coca Cola or P&G), and it's true the Ivy kids aren't particularly interested in these jobs much anymore.

Which opportunities does the Ivy kid have that the "new Ivy" kid doesn't?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

Air Force Academy & Case Western are NEW to the list. Which schools came off?

Air force academy is not a "public" university.

The Academy should be on the other list.

The Air Force Academy could not be more public than if it screamed it from rooftops. West Point, Annapolis, and Air Force Academy are your federally-funded national schools. As public as you could possibly be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

Air Force Academy & Case Western are NEW to the list. Which schools came off?

Air force academy is not a "public" university.

The Academy should be on the other list.

The Air Force Academy could not be more public than if it screamed it from rooftops. West Point, Annapolis, and Air Force Academy are your federally-funded national schools. As public as you could possibly be.

Yeah had no idea where that poster was come from

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that the article is 90% about how these schools are incorporating AI into really everything throughout the curriculum.

Wasn't expecting that to be the thrust of it.

No it didn't. It just said the reality of AI is changing hiring. The quote I took away was “The most promising talents today are beginning to emerge from institutions that prioritize intellectual rigor over inherited prestige.” And - "That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so."

Talent matters. And companies recognize that all the hooked this and that at Harvard and Princeton generally aren't great hires in 2026. Students at colleges that prioritize real talent tend to be better. I mean this is a pretty obvious observation for anyone that has been paying attention for the past five years.

I mean...yes it literally did. The first three paragraphs are about how AI is changing the jobs landscape. The next 4 paragraphs are about how the schools on the list are adapting to this new environment by incorporating AI. Then there is the 1 paragraph that you pulled from above. Then there like 8 more paragraphs again about how the schools are using AI.

So... you are correct because it's more like 95% of the article is how these schools are using AI.

BTW...that paragraph is really just utter bullshit and I have a kid at an actual Ivy and a "New Ivy" that's on the list. Both are great for these kids but my Ivy kid has so many opportunities available to them. The issue is the people responding to the Forbes survey are coming from your traditional corporate environments (think executives at Coca Cola or P&G), and it's true the Ivy kids aren't particularly interested in these jobs much anymore.

Which opportunities does the Ivy kid have that the "new Ivy" kid doesn't?

You will see hedge funds, some VC funds, start-up funding groups recruiting founders (YC and others), boutique firms founded by alums, etc in significant numbers at Ivy schools.

The New Ivy schools aren’t as equivalent a monolith. CMU will have the above (though nothing close to the number of boutique PE, IB, consulting started by alums), but you won’t see the same at Case or WashU or Tufts or Georgetown are examples.

[Anonymous]

Who cares? The people who attend the schools tier below the Ivies and Ivy+ go on to become doctors, lawyers, professors, non-profit heads, and consultants. It’s not I-Banking but not the most terrible outcome imaginable either. I’ll bet most of us on this forum have jobs that we enjoy and give us a comfortable lifestyle but will never put us on Wikipedia. Normal low profile jobs that pay the bills are OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that the article is 90% about how these schools are incorporating AI into really everything throughout the curriculum.

Wasn't expecting that to be the thrust of it.

No it didn't. It just said the reality of AI is changing hiring. The quote I took away was “The most promising talents today are beginning to emerge from institutions that prioritize intellectual rigor over inherited prestige.” And - "That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so."

Talent matters. And companies recognize that all the hooked this and that at Harvard and Princeton generally aren't great hires in 2026. Students at colleges that prioritize real talent tend to be better. I mean this is a pretty obvious observation for anyone that has been paying attention for the past five years.

I mean...yes it literally did. The first three paragraphs are about how AI is changing the jobs landscape. The next 4 paragraphs are about how the schools on the list are adapting to this new environment by incorporating AI. Then there is the 1 paragraph that you pulled from above. Then there like 8 more paragraphs again about how the schools are using AI.

So... you are correct because it's more like 95% of the article is how these schools are using AI.

BTW...that paragraph is really just utter bullshit and I have a kid at an actual Ivy and a "New Ivy" that's on the list. Both are great for these kids but my Ivy kid has so many opportunities available to them. The issue is the people responding to the Forbes survey are coming from your traditional corporate environments (think executives at Coca Cola or P&G), and it's true the Ivy kids aren't particularly interested in these jobs much anymore.

Which opportunities does the Ivy kid have that the "new Ivy" kid doesn't?

You will see hedge funds, some VC funds, start-up funding groups recruiting founders (YC and others), boutique firms founded by alums, etc in significant numbers at Ivy schools.

The New Ivy schools aren’t as equivalent a monolith. CMU will have the above (though nothing close to the number of boutique PE, IB, consulting started by alums), but you won’t see the same at Case or WashU or Tufts or Georgetown are examples.

lol I just spit out my coffee

[Anonymous]

From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

"Many schools are on our list for the third year in a row, including Georgia Institute of Technology, in Atlanta, which received the highest C-suite rating of any school and the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor"

"The C-suite (or C-level) represents a company’s top-tier executives—such as CEO, CFO, COO, and CIO—responsible for high-stakes strategic decisions, corporate policy, and overall performance"