Measles Outbreak

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PPS: More specifically, SSPE is a sequelae of infection with a strain of measles virus that contains the PEA motif (residues P64, E89, and especially A209) in the matrix protein. 9 out of the 10 gene sequenced wild-type measles virus strains contain that PEA motif, but the vaccine strains do not. The vaccine strains have an SKT motif (S64, K89, T209) instead.

Measles viruses with the SKT motif have never been isolated in cases of SSPE, and neither has the one wild-type strain which does not have the PEA motif
(i.e., genotype B3 with PET).

So I'm not likely to concede that you are going to be killing a certain number of children a year via SSPE by giving them the measles vaccine. I would, however, like to be accurate in the predictions of how many would be likely to die from complications of measles infection, and for that I would first look at your reference for the number you gave.

You guys are arguing over a detail that is irrelevant. Even if the measles vaccine does kill 1/million people that get it. Measles is much more dangerous. Before the vaccine we had 3-4 million cases a year. So the number of deaths from measles each year was well in excess of 1,000 per year. Even if vaccine does kill 4 people a year that is much better than 1,000+ people dying from measles each year. Antivaxxers are incapable of understanding math apparently.

This was the attitude towards vaccines until recent days. There is a gruesome calculus in that some are sacrificed for others in the hope that it all nets out.

But somewhere along the way vaccines became infallible and talk of trade offs were censored. Now many find it impossible that a vaccine could cause harm.
But if that were so, then the men who built the system wouldn’t have carved out a special court system to stonewall those harmed by vaccines.

Please. The vaccine compensation program exists in part because it’s so difficult for injured patients to prove causation in real court. Under the current system, all you need is an injury covered by the program, and you will be paid. You don’t need to do anything to prove that the vaccine caused your injury. That’s not how it works under regular tort law, so good luck getting any money if RFK abolishes the program and you’re one of the rare people with a vaccine injury.

This is why I love DCUM. Top level info about public policy. I actually think DCUM is one of the best sources for accurate info about federal arcana (that is actually very important).

Agree. Unfortunately the shrill bots and MAGA whataboutism have almost completely suffocated any ability to have interesting conversations.

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Anonymous wrote:This article in The Atlantic is haunting (written from the parent's perspective) but also full of specifics on symptoms/outcomes:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/02/child-dies-measles-vaccines/685969/?utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20260213&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&lctg=67e294c002b53fc1d00229ae&utm_term=The%20Atlantic%20Daily

I just read that and couldn’t help thinking, “Well, duh” and “No $&@t”. It also seemed that the parental character waited quite a long time to seek medical help.

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Anonymous wrote:This article in The Atlantic is haunting (written from the parent's perspective) but also full of specifics on symptoms/outcomes:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/02/child-dies-measles-vaccines/685969/?utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20260213&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&lctg=67e294c002b53fc1d00229ae&utm_term=The%20Atlantic%20Daily

I just read that and couldn’t help thinking, “Well, duh” and “No $&@t”. It also seemed that the parental character waited quite a long time to seek medical help.

Same. Although it wouldn't have changed the outcome, I couldn't believe how long the mother waited to take the 5 year old to the doctor. Who has a child sick for multiple days with a fever spiking to 104 without at least calling the pediatrician? The implication is that the reluctance to do so was partly because of the tense relationship with the doctor over her decision not to vaccinate.

(It's a fictional account, an amalgamation of real stories.)

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Anonymous wrote:For those who think the vaccine is a choice. I know the family that has 2 of the cases in Virginia. A 14 month and 3 year old both had their first vaccine but are not of age yet for second. Caught measles at airport or on plane. Developed pneumonia. Went to pediatrician and urgent care multiple times before spots appeared exposing others unknowingly. Ended up in ICU with feeding tubes and breathing difficulty. Doctors aren't even diagnosing correctly because this used to be and could be now: preventable. Family quarantined for 21 days from work etc. Younger one almost died. This family did everything right and still suffered greatly and could have been worse. Why are people supporting this? My own maga family supports this. I just don't understand. My maga mom was against the covid vaccine in her 80s. Had a few friends die from it and is now just starting to think it might be worth getting. Just thinking about it though. No action.

Yes, those who are too young to receive the vaccines are going to be so vulnerable.

Half of the preschool students where I work are likely not vaccinated. I don’t know if they got some/none/most.. but they got signed religious exemptions(!). [Again, some of these may have some vaccinations but didn’t want to continue and get all of them.]

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And I know this because I help the preschool director sort out the vaccine records when school starts. It’s shocking.
The ones who give their kids all vaccines do NOT coddle their kids, have older and youngest kids. I noticed the ones who sent in the exemptions.. more of them are first time parents. Most of them coddle their kids, and I know, because I see them act like they can’t do things. (They can)

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I still can’t believe those parents whose kid died from Measles said that they don’t regret not getting their kid the shot and they have other children. CPS needs to take their kids away they are ridiculous and clearly have terrible judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually, natural selection will wash through the masses.

for the love of all that is good, can you please read the post right before yours!

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Anonymous wrote:For those who think the vaccine is a choice. I know the family that has 2 of the cases in Virginia. A 14 month and 3 year old both had their first vaccine but are not of age yet for second. Caught measles at airport or on plane. Developed pneumonia. Went to pediatrician and urgent care multiple times before spots appeared exposing others unknowingly. Ended up in ICU with feeding tubes and breathing difficulty. Doctors aren't even diagnosing correctly because this used to be and could be now: preventable. Family quarantined for 21 days from work etc. Younger one almost died. This family did everything right and still suffered greatly and could have been worse. Why are people supporting this? My own maga family supports this. I just don't understand. My maga mom was against the covid vaccine in her 80s. Had a few friends die from it and is now just starting to think it might be worth getting. Just thinking about it though. No action.

Absolutely horrible. I am so sorry for your friends. It is unforgivable.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who think the vaccine is a choice. I know the family that has 2 of the cases in Virginia. A 14 month and 3 year old both had their first vaccine but are not of age yet for second. Caught measles at airport or on plane. Developed pneumonia. Went to pediatrician and urgent care multiple times before spots appeared exposing others unknowingly. Ended up in ICU with feeding tubes and breathing difficulty. Doctors aren't even diagnosing correctly because this used to be and could be now: preventable. Family quarantined for 21 days from work etc. Younger one almost died. This family did everything right and still suffered greatly and could have been worse. Why are people supporting this? My own maga family supports this. I just don't understand. My maga mom was against the covid vaccine in her 80s. Had a few friends die from it and is now just starting to think it might be worth getting. Just thinking about it though. No action.

Absolutely horrible. I am so sorry for your friends. It is unforgivable.

Are you sure they are being honest about their kids getting the vaccine though? Usually one dose of the vaccine is 90%+ effective at preventing someone from getting a measles infection after exposure. They might just be embarrassed to admit that their kids didn’t get the measles shot since the kids got sick.

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Anonymous wrote:This article in The Atlantic is haunting (written from the parent's perspective) but also full of specifics on symptoms/outcomes:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/02/child-dies-measles-vaccines/685969/?utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20260213&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&lctg=67e294c002b53fc1d00229ae&utm_term=The%20Atlantic%20Daily

Looks interesting but blocked by paywall.

DP. I have a gift link.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/02/child-dies-measles-vaccines/685969/?gift=P4PbparCGiV10Ifk2hg6wpMT06p6Yg63JBaAcDlRFE0&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

heartbreaking

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Measles outbreak now in the UK (in addition to the US, Canada and Mexico). I cannot believe how much we have regressed. 😢

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Not a good idea to be flying with kids these days unless they have had the MMR (dose 1--around one year and dose 2 around 4 years). I would not travel unless absolutely necessary for something like a family move.

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Anonymous wrote:Measles outbreak now in the UK (in addition to the US, Canada and Mexico). I cannot believe how much we have regressed. 😢

I totally blame the anti-vaxxer morons. They are the ultimate enablers at the epicenter of this.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who think the vaccine is a choice. I know the family that has 2 of the cases in Virginia. A 14 month and 3 year old both had their first vaccine but are not of age yet for second. Caught measles at airport or on plane. Developed pneumonia. Went to pediatrician and urgent care multiple times before spots appeared exposing others unknowingly. Ended up in ICU with feeding tubes and breathing difficulty. Doctors aren't even diagnosing correctly because this used to be and could be now: preventable. Family quarantined for 21 days from work etc. Younger one almost died. This family did everything right and still suffered greatly and could have been worse. Why are people supporting this? My own maga family supports this. I just don't understand. My maga mom was against the covid vaccine in her 80s. Had a few friends die from it and is now just starting to think it might be worth getting. Just thinking about it though. No action.

Absolutely horrible. I am so sorry for your friends. It is unforgivable.

Are you sure they are being honest about their kids getting the vaccine though? Usually one dose of the vaccine is 90%+ effective at preventing someone from getting a measles infection after exposure. They might just be embarrassed to admit that their kids didn’t get the measles shot since the kids got sick.

DP. Measles vaccination protection is a little different than something like flu vaccination, which is partial coverage even if not fully effective. That 93% effectiveness with just one dose is 7% complete failure.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who think the vaccine is a choice. I know the family that has 2 of the cases in Virginia. A 14 month and 3 year old both had their first vaccine but are not of age yet for second. Caught measles at airport or on plane. Developed pneumonia. Went to pediatrician and urgent care multiple times before spots appeared exposing others unknowingly. Ended up in ICU with feeding tubes and breathing difficulty. Doctors aren't even diagnosing correctly because this used to be and could be now: preventable. Family quarantined for 21 days from work etc. Younger one almost died. This family did everything right and still suffered greatly and could have been worse. Why are people supporting this? My own maga family supports this. I just don't understand. My maga mom was against the covid vaccine in her 80s. Had a few friends die from it and is now just starting to think it might be worth getting. Just thinking about it though. No action.

Absolutely horrible. I am so sorry for your friends. It is unforgivable.

Are you sure they are being honest about their kids getting the vaccine though? Usually one dose of the vaccine is 90%+ effective at preventing someone from getting a measles infection after exposure. They might just be embarrassed to admit that their kids didn’t get the measles shot since the kids got sick.

DP. Measles vaccination protection is a little different than something like flu vaccination, which is partial coverage even if not fully effective. That 93% effectiveness with just one dose is 7% complete failure.

Can you explain more? So you don't get a "milder" version of the measles of you are partially vaccinated?