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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccines, as they get, and used to be infuriated with the antivaxxers. Yet, one instance made me kind of get where they may be coming from. After the mandatory covid vaccine, my sister developed heart complications (I forget which kind, specifically). She was dismissed in the ER repeatedly by different doctors and made feel like a conspiracy theorist until the last visit, when a doctor paid attention. I can imagine that when parents are repeatedly mocked and dismissed when they bring up concerns regarding their children's reactions to the vaccine, they stop trusting the medical system altogether.

My child had and has heart issues from contracting the COVID virus. Multiple trips to the ER in multiple locations. That virus is a little monster.

I am sorry you have to go through this, and I wish your child a full recovery. My point is that people's concerns need to be heard, documented, and investigated. Dismissal breeds distrust.

I agree with you and posted somewhere in this long thread something very similar. In fact, I lay a portion of the blame of this phenomenon on pediatricians and the American Academy of Pediatrics for creating a backlash with these attutudes.

However, there is a huge leap from here (frustration at being patronized and dismissed) to becoming anti-vax. And that leap requires misinformation and misunderstanding and an incredible amount of selfishness. There is nothing wrong with being angry and demanding respect and answers. There is a lot wrong with blindly following dishonest, corrupt, incorrect messages. It is unforgiveable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccines, as they get, and used to be infuriated with the antivaxxers. Yet, one instance made me kind of get where they may be coming from. After the mandatory covid vaccine, my sister developed heart complications (I forget which kind, specifically). She was dismissed in the ER repeatedly by different doctors and made feel like a conspiracy theorist until the last visit, when a doctor paid attention. I can imagine that when parents are repeatedly mocked and dismissed when they bring up concerns regarding their children's reactions to the vaccine, they stop trusting the medical system altogether.

My child had and has heart issues from contracting the COVID virus. Multiple trips to the ER in multiple locations. That virus is a little monster.

I am sorry you have to go through this, and I wish your child a full recovery. My point is that people's concerns need to be heard, documented, and investigated. Dismissal breeds distrust.

Modern medicine is a marvel and doctors/nurses are heros. And yet. Most of us walk away from dealing with the health care system dissatisfied. You dont feel listened to or heard. Professionals look at your numbers and sometimes seem to be on auto pilot. You have to be your advocate and yet you don’t knowing how to get through. It’s very frustrating. But this is about the whole medical system- and not at all about vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccines, as they get, and used to be infuriated with the antivaxxers. Yet, one instance made me kind of get where they may be coming from. After the mandatory covid vaccine, my sister developed heart complications (I forget which kind, specifically). She was dismissed in the ER repeatedly by different doctors and made feel like a conspiracy theorist until the last visit, when a doctor paid attention. I can imagine that when parents are repeatedly mocked and dismissed when they bring up concerns regarding their children's reactions to the vaccine, they stop trusting the medical system altogether.

My child had and has heart issues from contracting the COVID virus. Multiple trips to the ER in multiple locations. That virus is a little monster.

I am sorry you have to go through this, and I wish your child a full recovery. My point is that people's concerns need to be heard, documented, and investigated. Dismissal breeds distrust.

Our specialist for our son told us the story of his father, a pediatrician, whose patient was about to get a vaccine. The child had a seizure.. right before the shot. A few seconds later they would have blamed the shot.

Correlation is not causation.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of being patronized and dismissed, is the fact that VAERS comes with an elaborate early warning system and actual investigative teams going to just be ignored?

It is 2026. We have an entire universal encyclopedia at our fingertips, and -- by definition -- all of us posting her have access to it. And yet at least one antivaxxer is willing to confidently bellow that nothing gets done with those reports instead of, I don't know, googling "how does VAERS work?"

You can deal with that for a year or two as a professional, or maybe five, or even ten. Imagine dealing with that for twenty years. People are not going to be perfect robots when responding.

[Anonymous]

^^"all of us posting herE"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccines, as they get, and used to be infuriated with the antivaxxers. Yet, one instance made me kind of get where they may be coming from. After the mandatory covid vaccine, my sister developed heart complications (I forget which kind, specifically). She was dismissed in the ER repeatedly by different doctors and made feel like a conspiracy theorist until the last visit, when a doctor paid attention. I can imagine that when parents are repeatedly mocked and dismissed when they bring up concerns regarding their children's reactions to the vaccine, they stop trusting the medical system altogether.

My child had and has heart issues from contracting the COVID virus. Multiple trips to the ER in multiple locations. That virus is a little monster.

I am sorry you have to go through this, and I wish your child a full recovery. My point is that people's concerns need to be heard, documented, and investigated. Dismissal breeds distrust.

And some people need to understand that being “heard” does not mean they get a $50k work up for normal or expected symptoms. Your doctor can hear you and document issues and advise you that watching and waiting is the best course of action. I know people seem to get wrapped up into this “root cause” crap like every issue is susceptible to a fix or a sign of a deeper problem. But sometimes a harmless febrile seizure is just a harmless febrile seizure.