Stopping immigration visas from certain countries

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Anonymous wrote:I know of someone who immigrated to the U.S. as an older person, with adult children working in the U.S. That individual was receiving home healthcare paid for by U.S. tax dollars. Adult children figured out how to game the system so elderly, deteriorating mom would get free care.

Gaming the system is one of the major reasons why Americans are fed up with unchecked immigration.

Other developed nations demand proof that you will be self sustaining before they allow you to immigrate. Their services are for citizens who've paid into the system, not for freeloaders.

What is good ole US of A going to be like a ....Canada?! Gasp.

Canada went bankrupt in 1999 and is on the way to that again right now. Check it out.

yet, Canadians are happier than Americans. Go figure.

wtf news are you reading? They are in total turmoil. Fired Trudeau, taxes through the roof, can’t buy property, multicultural immigrant problems, halted hiring of non-Canadians in 2023, ,

What happens when you allow liberals to import millions of Indian h1bs.

FYI Trump and Musk's businesses use H1bs. Ask them.

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Anonymous wrote:According to a Cato Institute study, naturalized citizens use 17% more welfare/medicaid/government assistance than American born citizens.
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-used-less-welfare-native-born-americans-2022

The title of the CATO institute article you referenced is literally “immigrants use less welfare.” The conclusion of this article is that immigrants are a net-positive to the fiscal situation for the US government and taxpayers. You are cherry-picking a single piece of information from this article to paint a misleading and inaccurate narrative about the impact of immigration on the US. It also says “naturalized immigrants consumed 17 percent more welfare than native-born Americans because they are an older population.” This is because it takes minimum of 4-6 years to become a citizen and many people wait longer than that to apply for citizenship. So they don’t actually use more welfare if you consider the fact that they were a greencard holder first and account for that time. This is just a reflection of artificial range restriction in the data.

Damn chill out with all those facts and accurate information and stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people from these countries actually end up on welfare after getting green cards? If the administration is truly worried about that then they left out some pretty obvious suspects.

It’s not just about welfare.

Similar to illegal economic migrants with dependents , they all start immediately using taxpayer services and social systems that others paid in to for decades.

Keep that up and it’s unsustainable and runs out of money and capacity.

Oh look, we are!

There is no evidence of this at scale. You making up an example of a time an immigrant got a benefit is not proof that immigrants at large are draining the social safety net or whatever.

15 million illegal aliens a year isn’t scale?

Having an avengers of 4.38 children per childbearing woman isn’t scale?

Clearly ESOL ain’t working so hot.

The discussion was about LEGAL immigrants you claim are somehow draining social safety programs. Why are you mentioning people here illegally?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Because legal and illegal immigrants have one thing in common, they aren't my friends.

So you have no evidence?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Just in calendar year 2023 this is how many people were granted permanent residency in the United States. This is ONE calendar year. When you look at the numbers what is alarming is the number of elderly people we allow to get green cards. Out of the total 1.1 million people who got green cards in 2023 there were 200,000 NEW green card holders aged 55+.

The law says you have to wait five years for Medicaid and supplementary social security for 65+. So in 5 years you are potentially going to have 200,000 new people on Medicaid (and in some states they cover the cost and certain categories of migrants there is no waiting period.) And the ones who are 65+ will be eligible for supplemental social security for elderly people who didn't work enough quarters of around $900 a month. All the family needs to do is make sure no assets are in the elderly person's name or they are back in the country of origin.

No add every calendar year and it is millions.



Under 1 year 3,420
1 to 4 years 27,610
5 to 9 years 55,940
10 to 14 years 67,850
15 to 19 years 70,230
20 to 24 years 90,500
25 to 29 years 120,800
30 to 34 years 142,120
35 to 39 years 122,850
40 to 44 years 103,210
45 to 49 years 90,580
50 to 54 years 78,780
55 to 59 years 63,560
60 to 64 years 50,960
65 to 74 years 62,420
75 years and over 22,090

This is actually a much younger age distribution than the US population as a whole. 31% of the US population is 55+. Only 18% of people issued green cards are 55+. Your own argument shows that legal immigrants are a net positive to the solvency of social security and Medicare.

I think under age 50 legal immigrants are absolutely fantastic for this country.

What I think is ridiculous is that we are letting so many elderly people get permanent residency. They are a drain on supplemental social security and medicaid. Instead their families could have them come over on tourists visas instead. Either the person who sponsors them should be really held financially responsible or they shouldn't be given green cards.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent policy if they truly are using data. Gotta stop the world wide grift.

Don’t be naive. Steven Miller is behind this. It’s hate driven. Miller’s ancestors came from Belarus, just like my husband’s. My husband is also Ashkenazi Jewish like Miller. How ironic and sad it would be if the small percentage of Jews left in Belarus lost their civil rights under Lukashenko and the US would say sorry, no Belarusian refugees.

It makes zero sense to ban whole countries.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people from these countries actually end up on welfare after getting green cards? If the administration is truly worried about that then they left out some pretty obvious suspects.

It’s not just about welfare.

Similar to illegal economic migrants with dependents , they all start immediately using taxpayer services and social systems that others paid in to for decades.

Keep that up and it’s unsustainable and runs out of money and capacity.

Oh look, we are!

There is no evidence of this at scale. You making up an example of a time an immigrant got a benefit is not proof that immigrants at large are draining the social safety net or whatever.

15 million illegal aliens a year isn’t scale?

Having an avengers of 4.38 children per childbearing woman isn’t scale?

Clearly ESOL ain’t working so hot.

The discussion was about LEGAL immigrants you claim are somehow draining social safety programs. Why are you mentioning people here illegally?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Because legal and illegal immigrants have one thing in common, they aren't my friends.

So you have no evidence?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Just in calendar year 2023 this is how many people were granted permanent residency in the United States. This is ONE calendar year. When you look at the numbers what is alarming is the number of elderly people we allow to get green cards. Out of the total 1.1 million people who got green cards in 2023 there were 200,000 NEW green card holders aged 55+.

The law says you have to wait five years for Medicaid and supplementary social security for 65+. So in 5 years you are potentially going to have 200,000 new people on Medicaid (and in some states they cover the cost and certain categories of migrants there is no waiting period.) And the ones who are 65+ will be eligible for supplemental social security for elderly people who didn't work enough quarters of around $900 a month. All the family needs to do is make sure no assets are in the elderly person's name or they are back in the country of origin.

No add every calendar year and it is millions.



Under 1 year 3,420
1 to 4 years 27,610
5 to 9 years 55,940
10 to 14 years 67,850
15 to 19 years 70,230
20 to 24 years 90,500
25 to 29 years 120,800
30 to 34 years 142,120
35 to 39 years 122,850
40 to 44 years 103,210
45 to 49 years 90,580
50 to 54 years 78,780
55 to 59 years 63,560
60 to 64 years 50,960
65 to 74 years 62,420
75 years and over 22,090

This is actually a much younger age distribution than the US population as a whole. 31% of the US population is 55+. Only 18% of people issued green cards are 55+. Your own argument shows that legal immigrants are a net positive to the solvency of social security and Medicare.

I think under age 50 legal immigrants are absolutely fantastic for this country.

What I think is ridiculous is that we are letting so many elderly people get permanent residency. They are a drain on supplemental social security and medicaid. Instead their families could have them come over on tourists visas instead. Either the person who sponsors them should be really held financially responsible or they shouldn't be given green cards.

India and China bring their whole families over, four generations, and don’t typically assimilate. They aren’t on the banned list.

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For years the government has been whining and complaining there is not enough money to support Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security. Social Security keeps getting pushed further and further out. Today you can't receive your full social security benefits unless you're over 70 years old! Crazy!

Really unfortunate the folks coming up with immigration policy do not employ common sense at the expense of political correctedness...these older immigrants didn't pay into the system. Why are they receiving benefits meant for hardworking Americans who paid into the system throughout their working careers?!

Dishing out taxpayer funds to immigrants who didn't pay into the system makes zero sense. Other countries have figured this out, but evidently the U.S. has not.

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Anonymous wrote:People from these countries are more likely to be on welfare.

Absolute crap.

It is very difficult to immigrabt from several of the countries on that list if you are not UMC. Nigerian immigrants are more educated than any other group in America. I don't believe that they are more likely to be on welfare.

No it isn’t. You just have a “cousin” sponsor you and get on the family sponsored list.

Or fly over and overstay your 90 day tourist visa. Nothing happens.

There is no cousin or aunt sponsorship and us citizens are unable to obtain green cards for their grandparents, cousins, and Aunts/Uncles. It takes a minimum of 10-20 years to get a greencard for your siblings. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and everything you said is a lie.

This thread is embarrassing on so many levels. Even the highly educated have been spouting locally and in other parts of the country. So embarrassed that these are fellow And people around the world actually thought we Americans were smart. WERE.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people from these countries actually end up on welfare after getting green cards? If the administration is truly worried about that then they left out some pretty obvious suspects.

It’s not just about welfare.

Similar to illegal economic migrants with dependents , they all start immediately using taxpayer services and social systems that others paid in to for decades.

Keep that up and it’s unsustainable and runs out of money and capacity.

Oh look, we are!

There is no evidence of this at scale. You making up an example of a time an immigrant got a benefit is not proof that immigrants at large are draining the social safety net or whatever.

15 million illegal aliens a year isn’t scale?

Having an avengers of 4.38 children per childbearing woman isn’t scale?

Clearly ESOL ain’t working so hot.

The discussion was about LEGAL immigrants you claim are somehow draining social safety programs. Why are you mentioning people here illegally?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Because legal and illegal immigrants have one thing in common, they aren't my friends.

So you have no evidence?

I’ll ask again, where is the evidence that massive numbers of people are immigrating and immediately getting expensive care through Medicaid. Not an example of a time someone did this. Evidence that this is happening in significant enough numbers to affect the programs’ solvency. Give us statistics about Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Just in calendar year 2023 this is how many people were granted permanent residency in the United States. This is ONE calendar year. When you look at the numbers what is alarming is the number of elderly people we allow to get green cards. Out of the total 1.1 million people who got green cards in 2023 there were 200,000 NEW green card holders aged 55+.

The law says you have to wait five years for Medicaid and supplementary social security for 65+. So in 5 years you are potentially going to have 200,000 new people on Medicaid (and in some states they cover the cost and certain categories of migrants there is no waiting period.) And the ones who are 65+ will be eligible for supplemental social security for elderly people who didn't work enough quarters of around $900 a month. All the family needs to do is make sure no assets are in the elderly person's name or they are back in the country of origin.

No add every calendar year and it is millions.



Under 1 year 3,420
1 to 4 years 27,610
5 to 9 years 55,940
10 to 14 years 67,850
15 to 19 years 70,230
20 to 24 years 90,500
25 to 29 years 120,800
30 to 34 years 142,120
35 to 39 years 122,850
40 to 44 years 103,210
45 to 49 years 90,580
50 to 54 years 78,780
55 to 59 years 63,560
60 to 64 years 50,960
65 to 74 years 62,420
75 years and over 22,090

This is actually a much younger age distribution than the US population as a whole. 31% of the US population is 55+. Only 18% of people issued green cards are 55+. Your own argument shows that legal immigrants are a net positive to the solvency of social security and Medicare.

I think under age 50 legal immigrants are absolutely fantastic for this country.

What I think is ridiculous is that we are letting so many elderly people get permanent residency. They are a drain on supplemental social security and medicaid. Instead their families could have them come over on tourists visas instead. Either the person who sponsors them should be really held financially responsible or they shouldn't be given green cards.

India and China bring their whole families over, four generations, and don’t typically assimilate. They aren’t on the banned list.

It's called looking out for his own businesses and $$$. He and that admin are not looking out for YOU. Wake the F up, America!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent policy if they truly are using data. Gotta stop the world wide grift.

Don’t be naive. Steven Miller is behind this. It’s hate driven. Miller’s ancestors came from Belarus, just like my husband’s. My husband is also Ashkenazi Jewish like Miller. How ironic and sad it would be if the small percentage of Jews left in Belarus lost their civil rights under Lukashenko and the US would say sorry, no Belarusian refugees.

It makes zero sense to ban whole countries.

He is too far removed from that attachment to Bela. His grieveances were of his childhood and upbringing in LA California. Blame it on parenting for not connecting him to his ancestral roots