where would Williams and Amherst rank in the ivy league..

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Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

You have to be out of your mind if you think that top SLAC students don't get summer opportunities equal to those at ivies. Often they do research at Ivies, taking seats that I am sure some Ivy parent felt belonged to their child. My kid did a research summer at Penn. She got it because a Penn reached out to her inquiring about interest. They reached out because their SLAC professor got their PHD at Penn and they sent an unsolicited email suggesting my kid. That is what you get at a top SLAC.

Or you could go to Penn and get these offers all the time.

Probably not because you were taught by a TA who really didn't care and the professor doesn't know you or really care to. But that same professor will do a solid for a former star from their lab.

Oh, so you’re just jealous and couldn’t get into an Ivy. It’s really embarrassing seeing people guess the experiences at these colleges and be so far off.

I did my undergrad at a public and went to an Ivy for grad school. It's not a guess at all.

My kid goes to Penn and doesn’t get taught by tas almost ever. When were you last at Penn? This has not been his experience and seems purposefully distorted.

I didn't go to Penn, I went to a different Ivy for grad school. If your kid was a STEM major or at Wharton they were mostly taught by TAs for their first two years even if a professor delivered the lecture. For upper division classes they would be taught by mostly Assistant Professors and ABD PHD students teaching seminars but they will have opportunities to take classes from Tenured Faculty as well. It's not a bad education at a top Private but it isn't the exclusively taught by Professors environment experienced by those at top SLACs. If I knew at 16 what I know know I would have tried to go to a good SLAC if I could have found a way to afford it. My own experience is proof that you can get it done from any undergraduate path but I do think that some are better than others.

A few things.

Lecture being taught by professor means you are being taught by a professor.

Many LACs hire adjunct faculty who are ABD to teach, particularly outside of their “leading” programs in Math, Economics, or Government.

Going through Penn’s physics course catalog for upper division courses, most classes are taught by tenure track faculty- a majority already tenured.

1. A class is 3 hours (3 50-minute periods). If prof gives 2 lectures and TA does 1 discussion section, TA is teaching 1/3 of the class (and doing almost all the grading and equal office hours, so it is more like 40%). Compare that to the prof teaching all 3 hours, grading everything etc. — for only 20 students.

2. Top SLACs don’t have ABDs teach.

Amherst college is currently hiring a Visiting Lecturer in Chinese Language:

A Ph.D. degree is preferred, and a master’s degree is required. Interested candidates are asked to provide a cover letter, curriculum vitae, three confidential letters of recommendation, and a personal statement outlining their philosophy of language teaching electronically at…

so they definitely will hire ABDs.

Nope. Not unless Ph.D expected to be completed before teaching.

You really struggle with dealing with reality.

Still waiting for the refutation. Phd
Preferred (hint: it’s required) don’t count, nor do mfa music types or practitioners as discussed. Go to an actual top SLAC and cite away. You might find a clinical language prof or the like with only an ma for a permanent, full-time teaching position, if you look really hard. But these are not temp workers, unlike at universities. And the job listings you provide are not for these positions.

https://www.pomona.edu/directory/people/jonathan-lethem#!tabset_0=3

This is a prominent novelist. What is wrong with you? Raised by a pack of feral TAs?

Can you send a link to a novelist with no university credentials who works at an ivy? Just one will do.

I’m quite sure there are some among the many adjunct instructors teaching the required freshman writing seminars. And of course the many untrained TAs with nothing beyond BAs responsible for a good bit of UG instruction.

A lot of words. Links will do.

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There is a reason nearly every professor I know sends their kids to SLACs.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason nearly every professor I know sends their kids to SLACs.

Ah yes, all the professors you know

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Williams is a smaller version of Dartmouth.

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No one cares about these rankings and your answer. You are a nobody. Go play your video games.

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They would rank below every ivy.

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I’m taking HYPS over anything else all day long. Are we going to pretend this is complicated?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m taking HYPS over anything else all day long. Are we going to pretend this is complicated?

Don't believe the HYPS is a sequel

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason nearly every professor I know sends their kids to SLACs.

Ah yes, all the professors you know

Also, “sends their kids” like it is elementary school

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WASP yield is low for a reason. Despite all the legacy nepotism that happens too.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams is a smaller version of Dartmouth.

Actually that is Middlebury.

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Anonymous wrote:Williams is a smaller version of Dartmouth.

Actually that is Middlebury.

+1, in the words of Ian Baucom,

In many ways we are less like our NESCAC peer Williams than our Ivy League peer Dartmouth—a historic and innovative institution built around a defining undergraduate liberal arts college that also has many of the features of a global university.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: Since all Ivy League schools are National R-1 Research Universities and Amherst & Williams are just colleges (LACs), the question does not make sense.

The better question would be to rank one's preference for each of these ten schools if accepted to all or to a few. For example: Please rank your preferences if accepted to Dartmouth, Brown, U Penn, Williams, & Amherst if planning to attend college as a pre-med student.

Pick the best fit, you can't go wrong with any of those choices.

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LACs aren't worth it, even for liberal arts subjects. Williams has a fine musuem for art history and a decent amount resources for grad program, but it is nowhere near Yale in terms of faculty, offerings, museum or resources. You could study history at Amherst and end up fine, but you won't get access to the resources, archives, researchers, and funding that you will at Harvard. I think, for the most part, they're good for students who can't get into ivies, but also don't want to go to a middling private, which is fair.

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if you play a sport at Williams or Amherst, and are a reasonably likable kid, you will have job prospects that rival HYPSM

Signed,
Princeton grad