ASD & Tylenol?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Repeat after me:

Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation

And if you still believe correlation is causation, please google spurious correlations.

Stop grasping at straws. Its NOT safe. There isnt a single study in humans that says its safe.

Well no one has found much in the way of harm when taken at recommended doses, so that’s about as close as you are going to get to “safe.” Correlation is NOT causation. For all we know, whatever makes kids autistic could also cause severe pain in pregnancy, causing someone to reach for Tylenol. And sibling studies have not found the same links.

Should you take it multiple times per day for every discomfort? Probably not. Should you consider taking it if you have a prolonged 103 fever while pregnant? Yes, yes you should, unless you really want to miscarry or have a child who has the brain of an infant forever.

Nothing is 100% safe, and that includes the “natural” crap in your medicine cabinet. But the risks of Tylenol by any measure are exceptionally low. Risk benefit analysis, people.

Headache or autism seems like an easy risk benefit analysis 🧐

Good thing it’s not that simple.

Also, fever is likely be way more harmful to the fetus than acetaminophen. And we know the risks of high fever. But you do you, I guess.

Do you have a study on that?

NP. Don't have time to do fancy links, but yes-it's been known for a long time that high fevers can cause harm to the fetus. For a simple explanation, check out the March of Dimes website.

PP, you must be very young, to not know how dangerous high fevers can be in pregnancy. Because tylenol has been in wide use for so long, you don't see the damage as much anymore.

I just saw a video of a woman who said she was so afraid to take anything in pregnancy that she left a 105 fever from flu untreated and lost her baby at 20 weeks. Went on to take meds in subsequent pregnancies and has three healthy neurotypical children.

I listen to my MEDICAL DOCTORS advice.

She should have gone to the hospital with a fever that high and pregnant.

She did and the baby was already dead.

If she was that ill and had a fever that high Tylenol might not have helped anyway.

Who knows. But we do know that tylenol brings down fevers so lowers the risks of cases like these

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

More like 80-90% of the time.

No. 70% of cases are regressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Repeat after me:

Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation

And if you still believe correlation is causation, please google spurious correlations.

Stop grasping at straws. Its NOT safe. There isnt a single study in humans that says its safe.

Well no one has found much in the way of harm when taken at recommended doses, so that’s about as close as you are going to get to “safe.” Correlation is NOT causation. For all we know, whatever makes kids autistic could also cause severe pain in pregnancy, causing someone to reach for Tylenol. And sibling studies have not found the same links.

Should you take it multiple times per day for every discomfort? Probably not. Should you consider taking it if you have a prolonged 103 fever while pregnant? Yes, yes you should, unless you really want to miscarry or have a child who has the brain of an infant forever.

Nothing is 100% safe, and that includes the “natural” crap in your medicine cabinet. But the risks of Tylenol by any measure are exceptionally low. Risk benefit analysis, people.

Headache or autism seems like an easy risk benefit analysis 🧐

Good thing it’s not that simple.

Also, fever is likely be way more harmful to the fetus than acetaminophen. And we know the risks of high fever. But you do you, I guess.

Do you have a study on that?

NP. Don't have time to do fancy links, but yes-it's been known for a long time that high fevers can cause harm to the fetus. For a simple explanation, check out the March of Dimes website.

PP, you must be very young, to not know how dangerous high fevers can be in pregnancy. Because tylenol has been in wide use for so long, you don't see the damage as much anymore.

I just saw a video of a woman who said she was so afraid to take anything in pregnancy that she left a 105 fever from flu untreated and lost her baby at 20 weeks. Went on to take meds in subsequent pregnancies and has three healthy neurotypical children.

I listen to my MEDICAL DOCTORS advice.

How do you know the virus didn't terminate the pregnancy?.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Repeat after me:

Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation

And if you still believe correlation is causation, please google spurious correlations.

Stop grasping at straws. Its NOT safe. There isnt a single study in humans that says its safe.

Well no one has found much in the way of harm when taken at recommended doses, so that’s about as close as you are going to get to “safe.” Correlation is NOT causation. For all we know, whatever makes kids autistic could also cause severe pain in pregnancy, causing someone to reach for Tylenol. And sibling studies have not found the same links.

Should you take it multiple times per day for every discomfort? Probably not. Should you consider taking it if you have a prolonged 103 fever while pregnant? Yes, yes you should, unless you really want to miscarry or have a child who has the brain of an infant forever.

Nothing is 100% safe, and that includes the “natural” crap in your medicine cabinet. But the risks of Tylenol by any measure are exceptionally low. Risk benefit analysis, people.

Headache or autism seems like an easy risk benefit analysis 🧐

Good thing it’s not that simple.

Also, fever is likely be way more harmful to the fetus than acetaminophen. And we know the risks of high fever. But you do you, I guess.

Do you have a study on that?

NP. Don't have time to do fancy links, but yes-it's been known for a long time that high fevers can cause harm to the fetus. For a simple explanation, check out the March of Dimes website.

PP, you must be very young, to not know how dangerous high fevers can be in pregnancy. Because tylenol has been in wide use for so long, you don't see the damage as much anymore.

I just saw a video of a woman who said she was so afraid to take anything in pregnancy that she left a 105 fever from flu untreated and lost her baby at 20 weeks. Went on to take meds in subsequent pregnancies and has three healthy neurotypical children.

I listen to my MEDICAL DOCTORS advice.

Stupid people logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

More like 80-90% of the time.

No. 70% of cases are regressive.

That doesn’t mean there isn't a genetic link.

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Yes%2C%20a%20majority%20of%20autism%20cases%20are%20linked%20to%20inherited,develop%20autism%20later%20in%20life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

More like 80-90% of the time.

No. 70% of cases are regressive.

That doesn’t mean there isn't a genetic link.

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Yes%2C%20a%20majority%20of%20autism%20cases%20are%20linked%20to%20inherited,develop%20autism%20later%20in%20life.

DP. Did you scroll up at all it says at the top of the page it says “ genetics play a major role, but environmental factors also may contribute.” There are hundreds of genes linked to autism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

More like 80-90% of the time.

No. 70% of cases are regressive.

That doesn’t mean there isn't a genetic link.

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Yes%2C%20a%20majority%20of%20autism%20cases%20are%20linked%20to%20inherited,develop%20autism%20later%20in%20life.

DP. Did you scroll up at all it says at the top of the page it says “ genetics play a major role, but environmental factors also may contribute.” There are hundreds of genes linked to autism.

Do you understand what that means? It seems pretty obvious. It’s not *poof* happening out of thin air. That there is an environmental trigger does not cancel out the hereditary basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

Autism is definitely hereditary to some degree, as any of us can say who've observed it in multiple generations of our extended families. The cousin with a degree in engineering likely has Aspergers. Her nephews have more pronounced cases and will need lifelong supervision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Repeat after me:

Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation

And if you still believe correlation is causation, please google spurious correlations.

Stop grasping at straws. Its NOT safe. There isnt a single study in humans that says its safe.

Well no one has found much in the way of harm when taken at recommended doses, so that’s about as close as you are going to get to “safe.” Correlation is NOT causation. For all we know, whatever makes kids autistic could also cause severe pain in pregnancy, causing someone to reach for Tylenol. And sibling studies have not found the same links.

Should you take it multiple times per day for every discomfort? Probably not. Should you consider taking it if you have a prolonged 103 fever while pregnant? Yes, yes you should, unless you really want to miscarry or have a child who has the brain of an infant forever.

Nothing is 100% safe, and that includes the “natural” crap in your medicine cabinet. But the risks of Tylenol by any measure are exceptionally low. Risk benefit analysis, people.

Headache or autism seems like an easy risk benefit analysis 🧐

Good thing it’s not that simple.

Also, fever is likely be way more harmful to the fetus than acetaminophen. And we know the risks of high fever. But you do you, I guess.

Do you have a study on that?

NP. Don't have time to do fancy links, but yes-it's been known for a long time that high fevers can cause harm to the fetus. For a simple explanation, check out the March of Dimes website.

PP, you must be very young, to not know how dangerous high fevers can be in pregnancy. Because tylenol has been in wide use for so long, you don't see the damage as much anymore.

I just saw a video of a woman who said she was so afraid to take anything in pregnancy that she left a 105 fever from flu untreated and lost her baby at 20 weeks. Went on to take meds in subsequent pregnancies and has three healthy neurotypical children.

I listen to my MEDICAL DOCTORS advice.

Stupid people logic.

Yes only stupid people trust medical doctors and not RFK. You are very smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

More like 80-90% of the time.

No. 70% of cases are regressive.

That doesn’t mean there isn't a genetic link.

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Yes%2C%20a%20majority%20of%20autism%20cases%20are%20linked%20to%20inherited,develop%20autism%20later%20in%20life.

DP. Did you scroll up at all it says at the top of the page it says “ genetics play a major role, but environmental factors also may contribute.” There are hundreds of genes linked to autism.

Do you understand what that means? It seems pretty obvious. It’s not *poof* happening out of thin air. That there is an environmental trigger does not cancel out the hereditary basis.

What is your point then? If they are saying that Tylenol impacts the gestational environment which in turn interacts with the genetics piece. I don’t even agree with the ASD/tylenol thing and find your response stupid. There are millions of things where people have a genetic predisposition and are given advice about specific environmental things to do/not do that doesn’t mean that it’s “poof” out of thin air. You’re basically agreeing with Trump but disagreeing with this specific trigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's in your genes, folks.

They've poured millions into genetic databases to find the genes behind autism and cant find them because its epigenetic. This means certain people are predisposed towards having triggering events from environmental influences, like Tylenol.

Go back under your bridge

https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/is-autism-genetic#:~:text=Autism%20is%20hereditary%20and%20therefore,stem%20from%20non%2Dinherited%20mutations.

"autism is hereditary"

In about 30% of cases.

Autism is definitely hereditary to some degree, as any of us can say who've observed it in multiple generations of our extended families. The cousin with a degree in engineering likely has Aspergers. Her nephews have more pronounced cases and will need lifelong supervision.

That’s what was said. It’s hereditary in about 30% of cases. What’s your point?

[Anonymous]

DP. This is sort of an obvious question, but have scientists definitively ruled out fever as the causal link in any Tylenol/ASD correlation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. This is sort of an obvious question, but have scientists definitively ruled out fever as the causal link in any Tylenol/ASD correlation?

Fever — especially fever in the second trimester — is definitely associated with increased risk of ASD in child.

https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2017119

It makes sense that women who have more fevers would take more Tylenol, since that’s the only medicine they can really take. But it seems possible that the problem is the fever itself, not the medicine to bring down the fever. Tylenol would therefore be correlated but not the cause (in which case telling women “don’t take Tylenol” would make the incidences of ASD rise, not fall)

The question is whether researchers have adjusted for this adequately in their studies on ASD/Tylenol.