New school start times survey

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Anonymous wrote:Please, y'all need to realize it's going to be ok. The world will adapt...there will be childcare when there's a demand. Commutes will work out. Kids will still learn and have activities.

Or believe the hype that apparently there are only a couple golden hours a day when any child can focus. And most teachers will quit. And kids won't be able to do sports or have fun anymore. 🙄

+1 All the hysteria over 30 minutes, too. lol.

The issue is that for the late start elementary schools, the current times are already too late. Many parents at our school are already relying on morning care, so PPs are absolutely correct that the majority of the class will still get too tired at the same time because the kids are still being dropped off at before care at 7-8am whether school starts at 9:15 or 9:45.

Even kids not at before care may still be negatively impacted. Many younger children are naturally early risers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a new 7th grader here (my first). I know a lot of parents and literally NONE of them want middle school start times to change to the 9:30 - 4:00 option. Most of them don't want to change to the 8:00pm option at the expense of elementary schoolers. I want them to keep everything as is.

There is no such thing. It’s 8 am, dear.

OMG obviously that's what I meant. Don't be an a-hole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all know that there is a way to make this work so no one starts after 9am, right? ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS

I'll say it again ELLIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS. They are a choice school. There shouldn't be busses for choice schools. That will free up busses for middle schools.

ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS

I don’t 100% disagree with your proposal, but I don’t know that eliminating AAP bussing would free up enough buses to start MS later without messing with ES or HS start times. Happy to be wrong though.

Wouldn't it be nice if they did a study on it though.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the surveys have “community members” to have a vote? Is it for neighbors that don’t want buses at certain times on their streets? I actually am not trying to be sarcastic and am genuinely asking for anyone that knows- why allow community members a survey vote or to have access to survey at all? Also, nothing to keep people from submitting multiple surveys from different devices or lying about who are when completing-odd to me.

School times affect peoples' commutes.

When changes are 1/2 hour increments?

Yes. I currently leave my 4:05 end time school around 4:20. The days I leave even 10 mins later, my commute is longer.

You’ll either have to accept a longer commute or move to a school closer to you. It’s simple.

Yes, but when 40 percent of teachers live in other counties, it makes FCPS less desirable to teach. The second pension won’t be worth it. There will be large staffing issues and dedicated teachers who have been at schools for years may choose to leave. But if you are okay with your kid having a less experienced teacher, continue pushing for a change that will have very little benefit for most stakeholders and students.

Where is that stat? I’m not debating, just curious.

County provided at one point. Many live in PWC and Loudoun. Some live in Arlington, W Virginia, DC, Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the surveys have “community members” to have a vote? Is it for neighbors that don’t want buses at certain times on their streets? I actually am not trying to be sarcastic and am genuinely asking for anyone that knows- why allow community members a survey vote or to have access to survey at all? Also, nothing to keep people from submitting multiple surveys from different devices or lying about who are when completing-odd to me.

School times affect peoples' commutes.

When changes are 1/2 hour increments?

Yes. I currently leave my 4:05 end time school around 4:20. The days I leave even 10 mins later, my commute is longer.

You’ll either have to accept a longer commute or move to a school closer to you. It’s simple.

Yes, but when 40 percent of teachers live in other counties, it makes FCPS less desirable to teach. The second pension won’t be worth it. There will be large staffing issues and dedicated teachers who have been at schools for years may choose to leave. But if you are okay with your kid having a less experienced teacher, continue pushing for a change that will have very little benefit for most stakeholders and students.

Where is that stat? I’m not debating, just curious.

County provided at one point. Many live in PWC and Loudoun. Some live in Arlington, W Virginia, DC, Montgomery County.

True. We are at a small ES and I know of at least 3 classroom teachers who commute from other counties.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all know that there is a way to make this work so no one starts after 9am, right? ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS

I'll say it again ELLIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS. They are a choice school. There shouldn't be busses for choice schools. That will free up busses for middle schools.

ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS

I don’t 100% disagree with your proposal, but I don’t know that eliminating AAP bussing would free up enough buses to start MS later without messing with ES or HS start times. Happy to be wrong though.

Wouldn't it be nice if they did a study on it though.

It definitely would … which means there’s next to no chance lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

no freaking way do elementary parents want their kids starting at almost 10am. that is so late. little kids learn better early. they will be in school until almost 5

This has been pointed out multiple times to Gatehouse. And yet they keep coming back to ask about this option. They clearly are leaning towards this option. I guess they don’t care about families or teachers at those schools.

Well they should care. I currently teach at a late ES and by 3:45, all I can do is a read aloud cause my kids are done. No kid will be effectively learning till 4:35. When kids are not making adequate progress because they aren’t available for learning, maybe they will care.

So now you’ll just do your read aloud and maybe a snack at 4:00 pm. Chill.

Based off my kids schedule this year, this would be his schedule with a 30 minute pushback.

10:00-11:00 -Specials
11:00-11:20-Morning Meeting
11:20-12:40- Math
12:40-1:10- Intervention
1:10-1:40- Content
1:40-2:10- Recess
2:10-2:40-Lunch
2:40-4:35- Lang Arts

I don’t think any parent would want this schedule for their kids.

Lunch would never be at 2:10 you idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all know that there is a way to make this work so no one starts after 9am, right? ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS

I'll say it again ELLIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS. They are a choice school. There shouldn't be busses for choice schools. That will free up busses for middle schools.

ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS
ELIMINATE BUSSING FOR AAP CENTERS

You’re an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent of a new 7th grader here (my first). I know a lot of parents and literally NONE of them want middle school start times to change to the 9:30 - 4:00 option. Most of them don't want to change to the 8:00pm option at the expense of elementary schoolers. I want them to keep everything as is.

See, and I'm a middle school parent (7th grader) AND MS teacher and I do want the start times changed later. 7:30 start time is ridiculous. Would rather the county could figure it out without making unpopular ES schedules, but the fact is no school should start before 8AM.

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I hope they settle this before the transfer window so teachers can move schools or counties.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

no freaking way do elementary parents want their kids starting at almost 10am. that is so late. little kids learn better early. they will be in school until almost 5

This has been pointed out multiple times to Gatehouse. And yet they keep coming back to ask about this option. They clearly are leaning towards this option. I guess they don’t care about families or teachers at those schools.

Well they should care. I currently teach at a late ES and by 3:45, all I can do is a read aloud cause my kids are done. No kid will be effectively learning till 4:35. When kids are not making adequate progress because they aren’t available for learning, maybe they will care.

So now you’ll just do your read aloud and maybe a snack at 4:00 pm. Chill.

Based off my kids schedule this year, this would be his schedule with a 30 minute pushback.

10:00-11:00 -Specials
11:00-11:20-Morning Meeting
11:20-12:40- Math
12:40-1:10- Intervention
1:10-1:40- Content
1:40-2:10- Recess
2:10-2:40-Lunch
2:40-4:35- Lang Arts

I don’t think any parent would want this schedule for their kids.

Lunch would never be at 2:10 you idiot.

I'm not the "idiot" but you likely do not understand how lunch works. But, believe me, the "idiot" is likely more correct than you.

First, with the very late elementary school starts (and I imagine it is likely this way with the late start schools now) some kids will be dropped off very early and others will likely sleep in and have brunch. The ones who arrive at 10 will not want lunch right away.

I taught first grade. Some years, our lunch was at 10:50-when school began at 8. I taught first. Sixth grade could be at 1.

So, it will be interesting to see how this works out.

Again, I cannot imagine teaching first graders after 3 p.m. They start shutting down in the afternoon.

This is a terrible, terrible idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

no freaking way do elementary parents want their kids starting at almost 10am. that is so late. little kids learn better early. they will be in school until almost 5

This has been pointed out multiple times to Gatehouse. And yet they keep coming back to ask about this option. They clearly are leaning towards this option. I guess they don’t care about families or teachers at those schools.

Well they should care. I currently teach at a late ES and by 3:45, all I can do is a read aloud cause my kids are done. No kid will be effectively learning till 4:35. When kids are not making adequate progress because they aren’t available for learning, maybe they will care.

So now you’ll just do your read aloud and maybe a snack at 4:00 pm. Chill.

Based off my kids schedule this year, this would be his schedule with a 30 minute pushback.

10:00-11:00 -Specials
11:00-11:20-Morning Meeting
11:20-12:40- Math
12:40-1:10- Intervention
1:10-1:40- Content
1:40-2:10- Recess
2:10-2:40-Lunch
2:40-4:35- Lang Arts

I don’t think any parent would want this schedule for their kids.

Lunch would never be at 2:10 you idiot.

You are an idiot. If school starts at 9:50 they aren’t going to have the first lunch at 10:00. Lunchtime will absolutely be pushed back. My kid already ends his lunch at 2:00.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

no freaking way do elementary parents want their kids starting at almost 10am. that is so late. little kids learn better early. they will be in school until almost 5

This has been pointed out multiple times to Gatehouse. And yet they keep coming back to ask about this option. They clearly are leaning towards this option. I guess they don’t care about families or teachers at those schools.

Well they should care. I currently teach at a late ES and by 3:45, all I can do is a read aloud cause my kids are done. No kid will be effectively learning till 4:35. When kids are not making adequate progress because they aren’t available for learning, maybe they will care.

So now you’ll just do your read aloud and maybe a snack at 4:00 pm. Chill.

Based off my kids schedule this year, this would be his schedule with a 30 minute pushback.

10:00-11:00 -Specials
11:00-11:20-Morning Meeting
11:20-12:40- Math
12:40-1:10- Intervention
1:10-1:40- Content
1:40-2:10- Recess
2:10-2:40-Lunch
2:40-4:35- Lang Arts

I don’t think any parent would want this schedule for their kids.

Lunch would never be at 2:10 you idiot.

You are an idiot. If school starts at 9:50 they aren’t going to have the first lunch at 10:00. Lunchtime will absolutely be pushed back. My kid already ends his lunch at 2:00.

+1. My kid attends a late start school and his lunch this year is 1:35-2:05. The first set of lunches starts around 10:40.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please, y'all need to realize it's going to be ok. The world will adapt...there will be childcare when there's a demand. Commutes will work out. Kids will still learn and have activities.

Or believe the hype that apparently there are only a couple golden hours a day when any child can focus. And most teachers will quit. And kids won't be able to do sports or have fun anymore. 🙄

+1 All the hysteria over 30 minutes, too. lol.

+/- 30-60 min can mean the difference of now suddenly have to shell out an extra several hundred dollars a month on before or after care

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of a new 7th grader here (my first). I know a lot of parents and literally NONE of them want middle school start times to change to the 9:30 - 4:00 option. Most of them don't want to change to the 8:00pm option at the expense of elementary schoolers. I want them to keep everything as is.

See, and I'm a middle school parent (7th grader) AND MS teacher and I do want the start times changed later. 7:30 start time is ridiculous. Would rather the county could figure it out without making unpopular ES schedules, but the fact is no school should start before 8AM.

Would you prefer 9:35 - 4:20? Because that is 100% what they are going with, as a way to eliminate county funding for the middle school after school program. We know that's what they want to do because they tried to do it this year.