New school start times survey

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

You clearly don't have a kid in one of the ES's whose start time would shift to 9:50 a.m. Both of these options are terrible. They shouldn't make a change.

And almost every ES is going to have these awful late start times. The very earliest elementaries right now start at about 8:30 and there are very few of them. The vast majority start between 8:50-9:20 as it is. There will be a very large number of 9:50 am schools under option 2, and very few 9 am elementary schools.

Don’t balance the budget of school start and transportation times on the backs of elementary.

[Anonymous]

All of this is so ridiculous, why the choice between 2 extremes for ES kids!??? option 2 9:50 am start would have my ES child home by bus almost 6pm. That means no time for activities or homework. Option 1 would have my ES kids picked up at 7am for a 7:45am start. My kids hardly wake up by 8am. Younger kids need 10–12 hours sleep bs 8-10 of middle and high school kids. And such for 7 years. Why are the middle school parents complaining about this for 2 years.

[Anonymous]

Why the isn't there an option for just leave it alone. Middle school sucks with the 6:30 bus but it's only two years for the kids. I get it for 4 years in a row as I have a 7th and 5th grader. But I'll live. Those really late times are awful for elementary school, and I honestly don't see enough before care options happening. Before care is harder to find. I don't have skin in the elementary game after next school year. This will also really screw with teachers and other school staffs children arrangements, we may lose a lot of them who live in other jurisdictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

You’re missing the option for “Neither” which I would wager is the clear front runner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why the isn't there an option for just leave it alone. Middle school sucks with the 6:30 bus but it's only two years for the kids. I get it for 4 years in a row as I have a 7th and 5th grader. But I'll live. Those really late times are awful for elementary school, and I honestly don't see enough before care options happening. Before care is harder to find. I don't have skin in the elementary game after next school year. This will also really screw with teachers and other school staffs children arrangements, we may lose a lot of them who live in other jurisdictions.

+1
Both look ok for my last kid as he's in HS but there should have been a "keep it as is" option.

[Anonymous]

The times are fine for HS, but not appropriate for ES. I will have a HS kid, but he doesn't need the time shifted for him and the ES times are ridiculous. No one likes the MS times but screwing up the times for ES to save 2 years of crappy start times for MS is not necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why the isn't there an option for just leave it alone. Middle school sucks with the 6:30 bus but it's only two years for the kids. I get it for 4 years in a row as I have a 7th and 5th grader. But I'll live. Those really late times are awful for elementary school, and I honestly don't see enough before care options happening. Before care is harder to find. I don't have skin in the elementary game after next school year. This will also really screw with teachers and other school staffs children arrangements, we may lose a lot of them who live in other jurisdictions.

There is a neither option, but it is the last question of the survey. There needs to be a comment box so people can explain their neither.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Option 2 is the obvious choice. Survey results have to be tilted like 90-10.

+1 option 2 is the best. Slides everyone by 30 min. Least disruptive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of this is so ridiculous, why the choice between 2 extremes for ES kids!??? option 2 9:50 am start would have my ES child home by bus almost 6pm. That means no time for activities or homework. Option 1 would have my ES kids picked up at 7am for a 7:45am start. My kids hardly wake up by 8am. Younger kids need 10–12 hours sleep bs 8-10 of middle and high school kids. And such for 7 years. Why are the middle school parents complaining about this for 2 years.

Any MS parent who WAS complaining about this now has fully grown and adult offspring- well out of HS and college. The MS times thing stated over 10 years ago. At time, FCPS was looking to change both MS and HS, but only rolled out HS. Even now it’s not MS parents complaining as this won’t be rolled out to have impact on anyone who has kids in MS. And actually the loudest voices right now are ES and they are ones who will have kids in MS next so let them choose.

[Anonymous]

Why do the surveys have “community members” to have a vote? Is it for neighbors that don’t want buses at certain times on their streets? I actually am not trying to be sarcastic and am genuinely asking for anyone that knows- why allow community members a survey vote or to have access to survey at all? Also, nothing to keep people from submitting multiple surveys from different devices or lying about who are when completing-odd to me.

[Anonymous]

I two more years of ES and three years of MS to think about. With that in mind, I don't like either option.

My ESer is the last kid off the bus and if I remember correctly from last year's documentation, our ES would be a 9:50 start time. A 9:50 start time would get her home between 5:05 and 5:15pm. This would impact her ability to do her sport.

My MSer would prefer an 8:00am start but not at the expense of his little sister, which I think is sweet. He also really likes after school programs, so he doesn't want the MS late start either.

We're basically screwed either way. These options SUCK. I prefer the status quo but that wasn't an option, was it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do the surveys have “community members” to have a vote? Is it for neighbors that don’t want buses at certain times on their streets? I actually am not trying to be sarcastic and am genuinely asking for anyone that knows- why allow community members a survey vote or to have access to survey at all? Also, nothing to keep people from submitting multiple surveys from different devices or lying about who are when completing-odd to me.

That's exactly why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of this is so ridiculous, why the choice between 2 extremes for ES kids!??? option 2 9:50 am start would have my ES child home by bus almost 6pm. That means no time for activities or homework. Option 1 would have my ES kids picked up at 7am for a 7:45am start. My kids hardly wake up by 8am. Younger kids need 10–12 hours sleep bs 8-10 of middle and high school kids. And such for 7 years. Why are the middle school parents complaining about this for 2 years.

People keep blaming middle school parents, but the thing is, every parent I've talked to (I have a 7th grader) would prefer what we have now over the other options because we all either have elementary kids or remember that it's 7 years and don't want those options for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I two more years of ES and three years of MS to think about. With that in mind, I don't like either option.

My ESer is the last kid off the bus and if I remember correctly from last year's documentation, our ES would be a 9:50 start time. A 9:50 start time would get her home between 5:05 and 5:15pm. This would impact her ability to do her sport.

My MSer would prefer an 8:00am start but not at the expense of his little sister, which I think is sweet. He also really likes after school programs, so he doesn't want the MS late start either.

We're basically screwed either way. These options SUCK. I prefer the status quo but that wasn't an option, was it?

Speaking of sports, I want to know if moving HS start times later would impact permitting of fields and gyms at high schools to youth and rec sports organizations. Same with really any of the other fields. If school doesn't get out until 4:40, are permits really starting at 5 now? If HS gets out later and MS gets out later, when can rec basketball or volleyball teams get to the gym?

There's a whole cascade effect on family life outside of school and work with community use - not just sports but scouts and other similar groups also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I two more years of ES and three years of MS to think about. With that in mind, I don't like either option.

My ESer is the last kid off the bus and if I remember correctly from last year's documentation, our ES would be a 9:50 start time. A 9:50 start time would get her home between 5:05 and 5:15pm. This would impact her ability to do her sport.

My MSer would prefer an 8:00am start but not at the expense of his little sister, which I think is sweet. He also really likes after school programs, so he doesn't want the MS late start either.

We're basically screwed either way. These options SUCK. I prefer the status quo but that wasn't an option, was it?

Speaking of sports, I want to know if moving HS start times later would impact permitting of fields and gyms at high schools to youth and rec sports organizations. Same with really any of the other fields. If school doesn't get out until 4:40, are permits really starting at 5 now? If HS gets out later and MS gets out later, when can rec basketball or volleyball teams get to the gym?

There's a whole cascade effect on family life outside of school and work with community use - not just sports but scouts and other similar groups also.

absolutely for sure the field and gym permits would be pushed much later.