Vanderbilt Thriving In Trump Era With Apolitical Atmosphere: Bloomberg

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This isn’t rocket science. They followed a formula. It worked.

Do some research on who their leader is and what he is trying to do. He came from University of Chicago!

He has made a huge name for himself in the education sector. I wouldn’t be surprised if an Ivy tried to poach him.

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Anonymous wrote:So why does Harvard receive more applications…and Penn receives 40% more applications…and when given the choice, kids pick every other top 20 school against Vanderbilt except Cornell.

Remember, nobody should trust parchment data.

Why not? It’s the only data out there that provides this information. They are even up-front if they don’t have statistically significant data for certain comparisons.

Because …. it’s bad data? 📊

Because some rando on DCUM says so? Prove it’s bad data.

Parchment itself is fairly transparent about its anemic data sets and significant gaps. “Bad” is a subjective word I use. Data scientists would concur

Show some proof its data sets are anemic…I don’t see anything on the Parchment site indicating what you just wrote.

In the footnotes, they’ll show you that some of these had to head comparisons have a response rate of 17 people. Maybe you think that’s robust I have to respectfully disagree

Post a link to something supporting this.

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Anonymous wrote:You could write the same exact story about Notre Dame.

Notre Dame's applicant pool is much more limited.

Nope.

Pssst. It skews really, really, really “Catholic”

There’s an opt-out phenomenon going on with the excellent ND. Denying this makes you look stupid

Duh. We know that. Doesn't mean the student bodies aren't very similar. Do you think Notre Dame students sit around and pray all day?

Reading comprehension. The quote is about the applicant pool to Notre Dame. If it really is your position that the applicant pool to Notre Dame does not skew heavily Catholic, I just don’t know what to tell you.

It’s a powerful narrowing filter. Fact. The only person talking about admitted students downtime is you — stop moving the goal posts

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt is a pretty place, but I don't understand the hype. None of their departments are ranked top 10 nationally. The school gamed the USNWR metrics to ascend the rankings and now they're taking advantage of the political environment to gain an edge on peers.

Can you cite some evidence for this? Things Vandy has done in the past five years or so that we’re not also done by other top 20 schools

I mean what major is Vanderbilt known for that would attract me to send my kid for best job prospects in that field for internships recruitment etc. That's what I would need to be sold on. Nothing comes to mind for me. Everything else to me is just noise.

And don't say premed. That's not a field or even a major that's gonna get my kid a job upon graduation. It's prerequisites for graduate school.

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt is a pretty place, but I don't understand the hype. None of their departments are ranked top 10 nationally. The school gamed the USNWR metrics to ascend the rankings and now they're taking advantage of the political environment to gain an edge on peers.

Can you cite some evidence for this? Things Vandy has done in the past five years or so that we’re not also done by other top 20 schools

Vandy certainly cried the loudest when they dropped like 4 slots. Most students and alums were fairly embarrassed that the administration would whine so much in public about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt is a pretty place, but I don't understand the hype. None of their departments are ranked top 10 nationally. The school gamed the USNWR metrics to ascend the rankings and now they're taking advantage of the political environment to gain an edge on peers.

Can you cite some evidence for this? Things Vandy has done in the past five years or so that we’re not also done by other top 20 schools

Vandy certainly cried the loudest when they dropped like 4 slots. Most students and alums were fairly embarrassed that the administration would whine so much in public about it.

Is that tantamount to “gaming” the system? What actions did Vanderbilt take since 2020 or so that we’re not also taken by it’s Pierce school’s in the top 20?

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt is a pretty place, but I don't understand the hype. None of their departments are ranked top 10 nationally. The school gamed the USNWR metrics to ascend the rankings and now they're taking advantage of the political environment to gain an edge on peers.

Can you cite some evidence for this? Things Vandy has done in the past five years or so that we’re not also done by other top 20 schools

Vandy certainly cried the loudest when they dropped like 4 slots. Most students and alums were fairly embarrassed that the administration would whine so much in public about it.

+1000 chancellor wined like a three year old. Vanderbilt was a nothing burger not too long ago.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

Yup. I know some legacy kids who started at Duke in the past few years (including some Asian-Americans) and they were amazed at the huge Asian population. And it isn't Asian that is the issue. It is the non-assimilated Asian kids who don't want to go to games, don't want to go to parties, and don't socialize like other kids. Again, there are plenty of very well assimilated Asian kids who do do this. And I'm not saying that every kid at a school needs to be 100% assimilated and exactly the same. But at some point you hit a tipping point where the culture changes.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Most of them aren't mean or nasty - they are just based on lived experience.

Interviews, essays, recommendations and activities are used to tease these things out. All those who want schools to be a "meritocracy" based solely on grades and test scores don't get this and don't appreciate this. It does not lead to a lively, fun, interesting campus community.

And no, I'm not racist. This applies to plenty of other groups, but is most prevalent in Asians. I'm Jewish and it applies to the stereotypical orthodox kid, but they tend not to attend these schools as much and there aren't as many of them so is not as applicable. I'm "nerdist."

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

Yup. I know some legacy kids who started at Duke in the past few years (including some Asian-Americans) and they were amazed at the huge Asian population. And it isn't Asian that is the issue. It is the non-assimilated Asian kids who don't want to go to games, don't want to go to parties, and don't socialize like other kids. Again, there are plenty of very well assimilated Asian kids who do do this. And I'm not saying that every kid at a school needs to be 100% assimilated and exactly the same. But at some point you hit a tipping point where the culture changes.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Most of them aren't mean or nasty - they are just based on lived experience.

Interviews, essays, recommendations and activities are used to tease these things out. All those who want schools to be a "meritocracy" based solely on grades and test scores don't get this and don't appreciate this. It does not lead to a lively, fun, interesting campus community.

And no, I'm not racist. This applies to plenty of other groups, but is most prevalent in Asians. I'm Jewish and it applies to the stereotypical orthodox kid, but they tend not to attend these schools as much and there aren't as many of them so is not as applicable. I'm "nerdist."

💯 agree
2nd gen Asian American

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Anonymous wrote:This isn’t rocket science. They followed a formula. It worked.

Do some research on who their leader is and what he is trying to do. He came from University of Chicago!

He has made a huge name for himself in the education sector. I wouldn’t be surprised if an Ivy tried to poach him.

Oh how to finagle rankings! Test optional, 2 ED rounds and tons of mailings/press.

They are 50% test optional as elites go test required the rich need a place to send their kids that can’t score well no matter how much $ they pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt is a pretty place, but I don't understand the hype. None of their departments are ranked top 10 nationally. The school gamed the USNWR metrics to ascend the rankings and now they're taking advantage of the political environment to gain an edge on peers.

Can you cite some evidence for this? Things Vandy has done in the past five years or so that we’re not also done by other top 20 schools

Vandy certainly cried the loudest when they dropped like 4 slots. Most students and alums were fairly embarrassed that the administration would whine so much in public about it.

+1000 chancellor wined like a three year old. Vanderbilt was a nothing burger not too long ago.

^oops…whined. Though his response did sound like he had been drinking!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn’t rocket science. They followed a formula. It worked.

Do some research on who their leader is and what he is trying to do. He came from University of Chicago!

He has made a huge name for himself in the education sector. I wouldn’t be surprised if an Ivy tried to poach him.

Oh how to finagle rankings! Test optional, 2 ED rounds and tons of mailings/press.

They are 50% test optional as elites go test required the rich need a place to send their kids that can’t score well no matter how much $ they pay.

And the shameless whining when they dropped in rankings!

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

Agree.
I personally like wake forest, Washington &lee, or even UVA, as long as white is the dominant majority, it’s fine.