Is dual enrollment the new path to getting into a good college?

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Anonymous wrote:My elite private high school was one of the first to “drop” AP courses. The school profile sent to colleges now says—
“Our highest level courses have the designation of “CL” (for “College Level”) on the transcript. We consider these to be
AP level or higher.”

It’s called branding. The courses are still mostly the same content. If you look at Sidwell catalogue, AP Calculus BC is now Calculus I and II which is how it is traditionally taught at (community) colleges. Only extra from the AP curriculum is separable second order differential equations, which is covered in Multivariable in much more depth. Whatever college level they claim, it’s doubtful the classes would get college credit, and for sure they are not dual enrollment classes because there’s no other institution the student is enrolled in.

Calculus, like all lower division major requirements is a standard course, there’s not that much variation in content. Dual enrollment courses are closer to a college course in content, but AP will do just fine.

In my opinion this repackaging is silly, parents choose private not because the curriculum is different, it’s because of different instruction style, more attention, smaller classes, better environment etc.

I would not send my kids to any school that still uses the AP curriculum. My own kids are at a private high school that offers college credit through DE for their own advanced coursework.

You really think that the nation's wealthiest high schools cannot create better and more rigorous classes than the AP company that sells a standardized curriculum designed for the average, low-performing public high school?

You need to brush up on your logic.
If private high schools rely on dual enrollment at another institution for advanced classes, then it’s not their own advanced coursework.

I absolutely think that College Board with $1B in revenue can create a better course framework, educational materials and exams than the ten teachers in the math department at Sidwell.

AP is not designed for the average student. About 200k students take AP calculus. That’s 5% of the student population. Only about 1% of all students get a 5 on the exam.

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My elite private high school was one of the first to “drop” AP courses. The school profile sent to colleges now says—
“Our highest level courses have the designation of “CL” (for “College Level”) on the transcript. We consider these to be
AP level or higher.”

It’s called branding. The courses are still mostly the same content. If you look at Sidwell catalogue, AP Calculus BC is now Calculus I and II which is how it is traditionally taught at (community) colleges. Only extra from the AP curriculum is separable second order differential equations, which is covered in Multivariable in much more depth. Whatever college level they claim, it’s doubtful the classes would get college credit, and for sure they are not dual enrollment classes because there’s no other institution the student is enrolled in.

Calculus, like all lower division major requirements is a standard course, there’s not that much variation in content. Dual enrollment courses are closer to a college course in content, but AP will do just fine.

In my opinion this repackaging is silly, parents choose private not because the curriculum is different, it’s because of different instruction style, more attention, smaller classes, better environment etc.

I would not send my kids to any school that still uses the AP curriculum. My own kids are at a private high school that offers college credit through DE for their own advanced coursework.

You really think that the nation's wealthiest high schools cannot create better and more rigorous classes than the AP company that sells a standardized curriculum designed for the average, low-performing public high school?

You need to brush up on your logic.
If private high schools rely on dual enrollment at another institution for advanced classes, then it’s not their own advanced coursework.

I absolutely think that College Board with $1B in revenue can create a better course framework, educational materials and exams than the ten teachers in the math department at Sidwell.

AP is not designed for the average student. About 200k students take AP calculus. That’s 5% of the student population. Only about 1% of all students get a 5 on the exam.

These better high schools are teaching the advanced coursework themselves and then offering you college credit through dual enrollment with a partner college.

Also, AP courses are absolutely designed for mass consumption and have become ubiquitous and rather meaningless. At any decent high school, the standard coursework is now AP and 5 is the norm. Anything less than 5 is a sign of problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence. Your interest in MIT is curious to say the least.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My elite private high school was one of the first to “drop” AP courses. The school profile sent to colleges now says—
“Our highest level courses have the designation of “CL” (for “College Level”) on the transcript. We consider these to be
AP level or higher.”

It’s called branding. The courses are still mostly the same content. If you look at Sidwell catalogue, AP Calculus BC is now Calculus I and II which is how it is traditionally taught at (community) colleges. Only extra from the AP curriculum is separable second order differential equations, which is covered in Multivariable in much more depth. Whatever college level they claim, it’s doubtful the classes would get college credit, and for sure they are not dual enrollment classes because there’s no other institution the student is enrolled in.

Calculus, like all lower division major requirements is a standard course, there’s not that much variation in content. Dual enrollment courses are closer to a college course in content, but AP will do just fine.

In my opinion this repackaging is silly, parents choose private not because the curriculum is different, it’s because of different instruction style, more attention, smaller classes, better environment etc.

I would not send my kids to any school that still uses the AP curriculum. My own kids are at a private high school that offers college credit through DE for their own advanced coursework.

You really think that the nation's wealthiest high schools cannot create better and more rigorous classes than the AP company that sells a standardized curriculum designed for the average, low-performing public high school?

You need to brush up on your logic.
If private high schools rely on dual enrollment at another institution for advanced classes, then it’s not their own advanced coursework.

I absolutely think that College Board with $1B in revenue can create a better course framework, educational materials and exams than the ten teachers in the math department at Sidwell.

AP is not designed for the average student. About 200k students take AP calculus. That’s 5% of the student population. Only about 1% of all students get a 5 on the exam.

These better high schools are teaching the advanced coursework themselves and then offering you college credit through dual enrollment with a partner college.

Also, AP courses are absolutely designed for mass consumption and have become ubiquitous and rather meaningless. At any decent high school, the standard coursework is now AP and 5 is the norm. Anything less than 5 is a sign of problems.

Of course calculus is a standardized course designed for mass education. Literally over a million of students take it every year in high school or college. A third all college students take it because it’s required by their major. It’s a tool needed for more advanced coursework.

You think “elite high schools” reinvent calculus? No, they teach the same concepts and techniques, it’s the same curriculum. Read the course descriptions at various colleges and the textbooks they use, same stuff presented slightly differently.

There are valid reasons to choose privates, but curriculum rigor is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence. Your interest in MIT is curious to say the least.

It’s because I have a degree from there and I’m familiar with the coursework. I’m sorry, but your arguments do betray a low level of intelligence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My elite private high school was one of the first to “drop” AP courses. The school profile sent to colleges now says—
“Our highest level courses have the designation of “CL” (for “College Level”) on the transcript. We consider these to be
AP level or higher.”

It’s called branding. The courses are still mostly the same content. If you look at Sidwell catalogue, AP Calculus BC is now Calculus I and II which is how it is traditionally taught at (community) colleges. Only extra from the AP curriculum is separable second order differential equations, which is covered in Multivariable in much more depth. Whatever college level they claim, it’s doubtful the classes would get college credit, and for sure they are not dual enrollment classes because there’s no other institution the student is enrolled in.

Calculus, like all lower division major requirements is a standard course, there’s not that much variation in content. Dual enrollment courses are closer to a college course in content, but AP will do just fine.

In my opinion this repackaging is silly, parents choose private not because the curriculum is different, it’s because of different instruction style, more attention, smaller classes, better environment etc.

I would not send my kids to any school that still uses the AP curriculum. My own kids are at a private high school that offers college credit through DE for their own advanced coursework.

You really think that the nation's wealthiest high schools cannot create better and more rigorous classes than the AP company that sells a standardized curriculum designed for the average, low-performing public high school?

You need to brush up on your logic.
If private high schools rely on dual enrollment at another institution for advanced classes, then it’s not their own advanced coursework.

I absolutely think that College Board with $1B in revenue can create a better course framework, educational materials and exams than the ten teachers in the math department at Sidwell.

AP is not designed for the average student. About 200k students take AP calculus. That’s 5% of the student population. Only about 1% of all students get a 5 on the exam.

These better high schools are teaching the advanced coursework themselves and then offering you college credit through dual enrollment with a partner college.

Also, AP courses are absolutely designed for mass consumption and have become ubiquitous and rather meaningless. At any decent high school, the standard coursework is now AP and 5 is the norm. Anything less than 5 is a sign of problems.

Of course calculus is a standardized course designed for mass education. Literally over a million of students take it every year in high school or college. A third all college students take it because it’s required by their major. It’s a tool needed for more advanced coursework.

You think “elite high schools” reinvent calculus? No, they teach the same concepts and techniques, it’s the same curriculum. Read the course descriptions at various colleges and the textbooks they use, same stuff presented slightly differently.

There are valid reasons to choose privates, but curriculum rigor is not one of them.

The rigor of AP Calculus (BC) is an absolute joke. If you are satisfied with that, I really don't know what to tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence. Your interest in MIT is curious to say the least.

It’s because I have a degree from there and I’m familiar with the coursework. I’m sorry, but your arguments do betray a low level of intelligence.

This reads like an insult to MIT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My elite private high school was one of the first to “drop” AP courses. The school profile sent to colleges now says—
“Our highest level courses have the designation of “CL” (for “College Level”) on the transcript. We consider these to be
AP level or higher.”

It’s called branding. The courses are still mostly the same content. If you look at Sidwell catalogue, AP Calculus BC is now Calculus I and II which is how it is traditionally taught at (community) colleges. Only extra from the AP curriculum is separable second order differential equations, which is covered in Multivariable in much more depth. Whatever college level they claim, it’s doubtful the classes would get college credit, and for sure they are not dual enrollment classes because there’s no other institution the student is enrolled in.

Calculus, like all lower division major requirements is a standard course, there’s not that much variation in content. Dual enrollment courses are closer to a college course in content, but AP will do just fine.

In my opinion this repackaging is silly, parents choose private not because the curriculum is different, it’s because of different instruction style, more attention, smaller classes, better environment etc.

I would not send my kids to any school that still uses the AP curriculum. My own kids are at a private high school that offers college credit through DE for their own advanced coursework.

You really think that the nation's wealthiest high schools cannot create better and more rigorous classes than the AP company that sells a standardized curriculum designed for the average, low-performing public high school?

You need to brush up on your logic.
If private high schools rely on dual enrollment at another institution for advanced classes, then it’s not their own advanced coursework.

I absolutely think that College Board with $1B in revenue can create a better course framework, educational materials and exams than the ten teachers in the math department at Sidwell.

AP is not designed for the average student. About 200k students take AP calculus. That’s 5% of the student population. Only about 1% of all students get a 5 on the exam.

These better high schools are teaching the advanced coursework themselves and then offering you college credit through dual enrollment with a partner college.

Also, AP courses are absolutely designed for mass consumption and have become ubiquitous and rather meaningless. At any decent high school, the standard coursework is now AP and 5 is the norm. Anything less than 5 is a sign of problems.

Of course calculus is a standardized course designed for mass education. Literally over a million of students take it every year in high school or college. A third all college students take it because it’s required by their major. It’s a tool needed for more advanced coursework.

You think “elite high schools” reinvent calculus? No, they teach the same concepts and techniques, it’s the same curriculum. Read the course descriptions at various colleges and the textbooks they use, same stuff presented slightly differently.

There are valid reasons to choose privates, but curriculum rigor is not one of them.

The rigor of AP Calculus (BC) is an absolute joke. If you are satisfied with that, I really don't know what to tell you.

I’m satisfied with the rigor of AP Calculus BC, and so is MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Caltech and many other colleges.

You sound like you’ve never taken calculus, what’s not to your liking?

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence. Your interest in MIT is curious to say the least.

It’s because I have a degree from there and I’m familiar with the coursework. I’m sorry, but your arguments do betray a low level of intelligence.

This reads like an insult to MIT.

You’re making a fool of yourself with those arguments. Name the mythical elite high school that’s so much better than everything else or the college they use to outsource their high level courses. I bet they are not that different from the AP or community college class.

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Anonymous wrote:My elite private high school was one of the first to “drop” AP courses. The school profile sent to colleges now says—
“Our highest level courses have the designation of “CL” (for “College Level”) on the transcript. We consider these to be
AP level or higher.”

It’s called branding. The courses are still mostly the same content. If you look at Sidwell catalogue, AP Calculus BC is now Calculus I and II which is how it is traditionally taught at (community) colleges. Only extra from the AP curriculum is separable second order differential equations, which is covered in Multivariable in much more depth. Whatever college level they claim, it’s doubtful the classes would get college credit, and for sure they are not dual enrollment classes because there’s no other institution the student is enrolled in.

Calculus, like all lower division major requirements is a standard course, there’s not that much variation in content. Dual enrollment courses are closer to a college course in content, but AP will do just fine.

In my opinion this repackaging is silly, parents choose private not because the curriculum is different, it’s because of different instruction style, more attention, smaller classes, better environment etc.

I would not send my kids to any school that still uses the AP curriculum. My own kids are at a private high school that offers college credit through DE for their own advanced coursework.

You really think that the nation's wealthiest high schools cannot create better and more rigorous classes than the AP company that sells a standardized curriculum designed for the average, low-performing public high school?

You need to brush up on your logic.
If private high schools rely on dual enrollment at another institution for advanced classes, then it’s not their own advanced coursework.

I absolutely think that College Board with $1B in revenue can create a better course framework, educational materials and exams than the ten teachers in the math department at Sidwell.

AP is not designed for the average student. About 200k students take AP calculus. That’s 5% of the student population. Only about 1% of all students get a 5 on the exam.

These better high schools are teaching the advanced coursework themselves and then offering you college credit through dual enrollment with a partner college.

Also, AP courses are absolutely designed for mass consumption and have become ubiquitous and rather meaningless. At any decent high school, the standard coursework is now AP and 5 is the norm. Anything less than 5 is a sign of problems.

Of course calculus is a standardized course designed for mass education. Literally over a million of students take it every year in high school or college. A third all college students take it because it’s required by their major. It’s a tool needed for more advanced coursework.

You think “elite high schools” reinvent calculus? No, they teach the same concepts and techniques, it’s the same curriculum. Read the course descriptions at various colleges and the textbooks they use, same stuff presented slightly differently.

There are valid reasons to choose privates, but curriculum rigor is not one of them.

The rigor of AP Calculus (BC) is an absolute joke. If you are satisfied with that, I really don't know what to tell you.

I’m satisfied with the rigor of AP Calculus BC, and so is MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Caltech and many other colleges.

You sound like you’ve never taken calculus, what’s not to your liking?

The rigor is Neanderthal level and nowhere close to what college calculus classes should expect from students.

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence. Your interest in MIT is curious to say the least.

It’s because I have a degree from there and I’m familiar with the coursework. I’m sorry, but your arguments do betray a low level of intelligence.

This reads like an insult to MIT.

You’re making a fool of yourself with those arguments. Name the mythical elite high school that’s so much better than everything else or the college they use to outsource their high level courses. I bet they are not that different from the AP or community college class.

If AP Calculus (BC) is so good, why don’t college math departments just use it for their courses? The answer is that it is not good at all.


It is easy for college faculty and elite high school faculty to do better than what AP offers.

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Anonymous wrote:All the elite private high schools have dropped AP courses and are offering more advanced coursework rather than being restricted by the low quality AP curriculums.

Like what? What is more advanced than AP/ib?

Real college level coursework is more advanced than AP/IB. What elite high schools and T100 colleges offer.

If T100 colleges (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley) give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses, then logically they are not more advanced than AP. These “elite private high school” courses don’t even get the college credit AP does. Use your brain a little and get past the private school marketing talking points.

You must be joking.

Top colleges are very direct and clear than AP is inferior to their own courses. They usually do not give credit to AP as equivalent to their own courses. If they give you credit at all, it is for the lowest possible course or just general credits that usually do not substitute for a required class.

Also, elite private high schools do offer college credit through DE. These high schools can directly give you college credit for their own high school courses. These DE credits generally transfer better than an AP credit would.

AP Calculus BC is equivalent to MIT’s 18.01 Calculus. If it’s good enough for MIT, it’s good enough for me too.

https://firstyear.mit.edu/academics-exploration/ap-transfer-credit/advanced-placement/

I’d really like to see what kind of coursework MIT accepts from that “elite private” of yours.

18.01 is the lowest level mathematics course taught at MIT

LOL! You’re the lowest level of a human, aka a moron. Name that high school with the amazing advanced courses.

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence. Your interest in MIT is curious to say the least.

It’s because I have a degree from there and I’m familiar with the coursework. I’m sorry, but your arguments do betray a low level of intelligence.

This reads like an insult to MIT.

You’re making a fool of yourself with those arguments. Name the mythical elite high school that’s so much better than everything else or the college they use to outsource their high level courses. I bet they are not that different from the AP or community college class.

If AP Calculus (BC) is so good, why don’t college math departments just use it for their courses? The answer is that it is not good at all.


It is easy for college faculty and elite high school faculty to do better than what AP offers.

And yet, it is so difficult to name even one of these amazing DE schools.