Is dual enrollment the new path to getting into a good college?

[Anonymous]

For college applications there’s no difference between dual and concurrent enrollment. They are all designated college courses from the same institution and appear on the community colleges transcript. High schools sometimes have agreements with community colleges as to what courses can also get high school credit, and those would be called dual enrollment so they also appear on the high school transcript. Concurrent enrollment occasionally means classes falling outside those agreements. It’s not true that concurrent is more rigorous than dual, it just depends what was negotiated in those agreements. It’s very district dependent.

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Anonymous wrote:On a similar note - how do CEs vs DEs vs AP? I'd think CEs would top the AP?

What’s a CE? If it college enrollment, then it’s for transfer, not admission as a freshman.

It's Concurrent Enrollment - instead of doing DE at a high school; you drive to a local school like: GMU and take classes there.

Concurrent or dual enrollment is the same. It doesn’t matter where the class is taken. It means the student is enrolled at two institutions, the high school and the (community) college. There are no high school only DE classes. If a high school offers advanced classes like Multivariable, that’s just a high school advanced class not a DE class, unless they have an agreement with a college to bring an instructor on campus and register students at the college at the same time.

This is largely incorrect info.

What is specifically incorect about it?

Everything in bold is wrong:

Concurrent or dual enrollment is the same. It doesn’t matter where the class is taken. It means the student is enrolled at two institutions, the high school and the (community) college. There are no high school only DE classes. If a high school offers advanced classes like Multivariable, that’s just a high school advanced class not a DE class, unless they have an agreement with a college to bring an instructor on campus and register students at the college at the same time.

Concurrent enrollment is not the same as dual enrollment. It can absolutely matter where the class is taken. Some schools give more credibility (weight) to a course taken at the CC campus versus in a HS. Also, some schools will not grant credit for a DE course taken in a HS but will for a course taken on a CC campus.

There are absolutely HS only DE courses and they are taught by HS district employees NOT by the CC bringing an instructor into the HS. Most are taught by HS teachers who have approval from the CC that they can teach the course.

You know very little about the difference and should not post about it at all.

Ok, I understand now, you are actually an idiot. At least bother to do a quick google search before you embarrass yourself needlessly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_enrollment

It’s in the name, dual mean two, concurrent means at the same time.

Please, name the school that differentiate credit based on where the class is taken, high school or community college.

Also, I’d like to see an example of a dual enrollment class, taught by a high school employee at the high school, without the involvement of another educational institution. At the minimum they need to have an agreement with the community college to earn college (not high school) credit. Students will get two transcripts, one from the high school and one from the community college, which they submit to the university they will apply to. The transcripts don’t mention where the class was taken, just the course name and grade.

No, I am not the idiot. I am correct. Though I am glad you are now trying to educate yourself.

Good job Googling and reposting …but you still have things wrong (bolded). Just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:On a similar note - how do CEs vs DEs vs AP? I'd think CEs would top the AP?

What’s a CE? If it college enrollment, then it’s for transfer, not admission as a freshman.

It's Concurrent Enrollment - instead of doing DE at a high school; you drive to a local school like: GMU and take classes there.

Concurrent or dual enrollment is the same. It doesn’t matter where the class is taken. It means the student is enrolled at two institutions, the high school and the (community) college. There are no high school only DE classes. If a high school offers advanced classes like Multivariable, that’s just a high school advanced class not a DE class, unless they have an agreement with a college to bring an instructor on campus and register students at the college at the same time.

This is largely incorrect info.

What is specifically incorect about it?

Everything in bold is wrong:

Concurrent or dual enrollment is the same. It doesn’t matter where the class is taken. It means the student is enrolled at two institutions, the high school and the (community) college. There are no high school only DE classes. If a high school offers advanced classes like Multivariable, that’s just a high school advanced class not a DE class, unless they have an agreement with a college to bring an instructor on campus and register students at the college at the same time.

Concurrent enrollment is not the same as dual enrollment. It can absolutely matter where the class is taken. Some schools give more credibility (weight) to a course taken at the CC campus versus in a HS. Also, some schools will not grant credit for a DE course taken in a HS but will for a course taken on a CC campus.

There are absolutely HS only DE courses and they are taught by HS district employees NOT by the CC bringing an instructor into the HS. Most are taught by HS teachers who have approval from the CC that they can teach the course.

You know very little about the difference and should not post about it at all.

Ok, I understand now, you are actually an idiot. At least bother to do a quick google search before you embarrass yourself needlessly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_enrollment

It’s in the name, dual mean two, concurrent means at the same time.

Please, name the school that differentiate credit based on where the class is taken, high school or community college.

Also, I’d like to see an example of a dual enrollment class, taught by a high school employee at the high school, without the involvement of another educational institution. At the minimum they need to have an agreement with the community college to earn college (not high school) credit. Students will get two transcripts, one from the high school and one from the community college, which they submit to the university they will apply to. The transcripts don’t mention where the class was taken, just the course name and grade.

No, I am not the idiot. I am correct. Though I am glad you are now trying to educate yourself.

Good job Googling and reposting …but you still have things wrong (bolded). Just stop.

You may be going by FCPS policies. MCPS is different. California is also different.

[Anonymous]

In our school district both dual enrollment classes taken at the college campus and classes taken at the HS where the college sends a professor to the HS campus are called Dual Enrollment. I have kids that have done both and have never heard the term concurrent enrollment until this thread.

There are some schools that do not accept or are less likely to accept DE credits unless the class is taken on the college campus, with other non-HS students. I know of several colleges with this perspective, one example here:

https://www.fordham.edu/undergraduate-admission/apply/transfer-credits-apib/

That said, I’ve also heard that some four year universities with more restrictive DE transfer policies may be more flexible than their published guidelines suggest.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

For public high schools, this is correct. For elite private high schools, it is the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

UCSD. He did request to look at his admission file and he had the same academics score as friends who had taken a lot of AP classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In our school district both dual enrollment classes taken at the college campus and classes taken at the HS where the college sends a professor to the HS campus are called Dual Enrollment. I have kids that have done both and have never heard the term concurrent enrollment until this thread.

There are some schools that do not accept or are less likely to accept DE credits unless the class is taken on the college campus, with other non-HS students. I know of several colleges with this perspective, one example here:

https://www.fordham.edu/undergraduate-admission/apply/transfer-credits-apib/

That said, I’ve also heard that some four year universities with more restrictive DE transfer policies may be more flexible than their published guidelines suggest.

Some districts make a distinction between dual and concurrent, but it’s not meaningful. In California it’s not allowed for a community college instructor to teach on the high school campus, so classes take place at the college site. Dual enrollment is used throughout, and students may use the credits to graduate high school, but they don’t have to.

Applying with classes taken though the California Community College system, credit is given to UC or Cal State, there’s no guesswork, one can check through a database called Assist. For example, at our local community college in CA, math remedial classes don’t get any credit, all other get at least CSU credit, and a subset of those get both CSU and UC credit.

California has a great public higher education system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

UCSD. He did request to look at his admission file and he had the same academics score as friends who had taken a lot of AP classes.

So essentially they don’t consider AP above DE. Was it in state?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

For public high schools, this is correct. For elite private high schools, it is the opposite.

Not true.

[Anonymous]

For UCs it makes a big difference as long you take the right courses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In our school district both dual enrollment classes taken at the college campus and classes taken at the HS where the college sends a professor to the HS campus are called Dual Enrollment. I have kids that have done both and have never heard the term concurrent enrollment until this thread.

There are some schools that do not accept or are less likely to accept DE credits unless the class is taken on the college campus, with other non-HS students. I know of several colleges with this perspective, one example here:

https://www.fordham.edu/undergraduate-admission/apply/transfer-credits-apib/

That said, I’ve also heard that some four year universities with more restrictive DE transfer policies may be more flexible than their published guidelines suggest.

Some districts make a distinction between dual and concurrent, but it’s not meaningful. In California it’s not allowed for a community college instructor to teach on the high school campus, so classes take place at the college site. Dual enrollment is used throughout, and students may use the credits to graduate high school, but they don’t have to.

Applying with classes taken though the California Community College system, credit is given to UC or Cal State, there’s no guesswork, one can check through a database called Assist. For example, at our local community college in CA, math remedial classes don’t get any credit, all other get at least CSU credit, and a subset of those get both CSU and UC credit.

California has a great public higher education system.

Why do people make up information or think of something occurs in their district it applies statewide. You are absolutely wrong! Theye are a multitude of community college classes offered on high school campuses during the school day and after school in so many districts across California. Many high school teachers get certified to teach the community college classes or CC instructor goes to the high school.

CA Community colleges are removing all remedial math classes so that option no longer exists at almost all CC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In our school district both dual enrollment classes taken at the college campus and classes taken at the HS where the college sends a professor to the HS campus are called Dual Enrollment. I have kids that have done both and have never heard the term concurrent enrollment until this thread.

There are some schools that do not accept or are less likely to accept DE credits unless the class is taken on the college campus, with other non-HS students. I know of several colleges with this perspective, one example here:

https://www.fordham.edu/undergraduate-admission/apply/transfer-credits-apib/

That said, I’ve also heard that some four year universities with more restrictive DE transfer policies may be more flexible than their published guidelines suggest.

Some districts make a distinction between dual and concurrent, but it’s not meaningful. In California it’s not allowed for a community college instructor to teach on the high school campus, so classes take place at the college site. Dual enrollment is used throughout, and students may use the credits to graduate high school, but they don’t have to.

Applying with classes taken though the California Community College system, credit is given to UC or Cal State, there’s no guesswork, one can check through a database called Assist. For example, at our local community college in CA, math remedial classes don’t get any credit, all other get at least CSU credit, and a subset of those get both CSU and UC credit.

California has a great public higher education system.

Why do people make up information or think of something occurs in their district it applies statewide. You are absolutely wrong! Theye are a multitude of community college classes offered on high school campuses during the school day and after school in so many districts across California. Many high school teachers get certified to teach the community college classes or CC instructor goes to the high school.

CA Community colleges are removing all remedial math classes so that option no longer exists at almost all CC.

Ok dude, thanks for straightening me out on the classes my child is taking, lol. Look up Peralta Community College district, they absolutely offer remedial classes like algebra 1 & 2, my child took them to accelerate because it’s recognized by the local school district.

There was a news story a couple of years ago in Palo Alto where the district claimed they can’t legally offer Multivariable on high school campus because of existing regulations. It may not be enforced and interpreted uniformly across state, and latest I’ve heard they’ll bring it back because of pushback from parents.

https://palyvoice.com/172201/news/austin-affirms-districts-stance-on-multivariable-calculus-and-linear-algebra/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

For public high schools, this is correct. For elite private high schools, it is the opposite.

What “elite private high schools” offer dual enrollment courses? What are those courses? It doesn’t make much sense for a high school charging 50k in tuition to offer classes that can be taken for free at the local community college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did all his classes in 11th and 12th grade at our local community college. He liked being able to set his own schedule and loved being treated like an adult. He appreciated the variety of classes and the diversity of the students. And even as an OOS student, he got credit for all but one of his classes (that one didn't have a UC equivalent).

In terms of admission - did your kid run into any issues that it wasn't 10 APs vs 10 DEs? which U Cal?

DP, you mean which UC? Usually Cal means UC Berkeley.

Ok. Which UC? my concern is Admissions - DE sounds much better experience wise. Wanted first hand experience - did DE hurt in terms of admissions when applying to the top three UCs (Berkeley, LA, San Diego) or did the OP's kid attend the other UCs like Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz? Just trying to judge which might be a reach and which should be targeted.

So far - DCUM has always held AP > DEs.

For public high schools, this is correct. For elite private high schools, it is the opposite.

What “elite private high schools” offer dual enrollment courses? What are those courses? It doesn’t make much sense for a high school charging 50k in tuition to offer classes that can be taken for free at the local community college.

You appear to know nothing about this. The DE courses are offered directly by the elite high schools, on their campus, for college credit. They are more advanced than the AP curriculum which is designed for the average public school. Top tier faculty are teaching these courses. It is nothing like what public schools can offer.