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Anonymous wrote:Yes, look at the J6 insurrectionists. That was very very tame in comparison, but it showed that dictator Trump would not stop any violence in his name. I truly think many MAGA want a Gilead.

Weren't there fewer than 1,000 protesters on J6? How many other protests turned violent that can be called "MAGA" happened? Am scratching head trying to think of them.

How many rioters are in LA right now? How many people rioted in the summer of George Floyd?

That alone tells you how paranoid most of you are about "MAGA" that you can't even see the fatal flaw in your beliefs.

Literally 100% of all the violence and destruction in 2020 was caused by undercover MAGAs pretending to be protesters.

This is common knowledge. Even my kids know this.

from Grok:

No, the claim that 100% of the violence and destruction in 2020 was caused by undercover MAGA supporters pretending to be protesters is not supported by evidence. The 2020 protests, particularly following George Floyd’s death, involved a complex mix of actors and motives. While there were reports of opportunistic actors, including some far-right groups, exploiting protests for their own ends, credible evidence does not indicate that all violence was orchestrated by undercover MAGA supporters.

Data from the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) shows over 10,600 protest events in the U.S. from May to August 2020, with 93% being peaceful. Violence, when it occurred, was attributed to a range of factors: clashes between protesters and police, looting by unaffiliated groups, and sporadic actions by both left-wing and right-wing extremists. Specific incidents, like those in Minneapolis or Portland, involved documented cases of vandalism and arson by diverse groups, but no comprehensive evidence points to MAGA supporters as the sole perpetrators. For example, arrests in Minneapolis included local residents and some out-of-state individuals, but no clear pattern of "undercover MAGA" orchestration emerged from law enforcement reports.

The claim also stems from online narratives, particularly on X, where some users speculated about "false flag" operations. However, these lack substantiation from primary sources like court records or official investigations. Conversely, groups like Antifa and unaffiliated opportunists were also linked to specific violent acts, though not exclusively. The complexity of 2020’s unrest defies a single explanation.

WTH is “Grok”? Sounds made-up. Just like the word salad it spews out pretending to be “evidence “. What does it cite? “ACLED”? Never heard of that either. Also sounds fake AF and made up.


You know the only citation I need? My own two eyes. I was there. June 1 2020, at BLM Plaza. I SAW the MAGAs shooting bombs at police. I SAW the MAGAs lighting buildings on fire. I SAW the MAGAs breaking into stores at city center and looting. They were wearing masks, and dressed like other protesters to try and fit in with the crowd. But they’re easy to spot if you know what to look for.


I have actual firsthand experience with what I saw. You have “Grok”.

I think we can put this to rest.

NP. Yeah, well, you weren’t the only one there and guess what? I saw plenty of violent leftists. The attempt by the left to pretend they don’t have their own violent MAGAs is so disgraceful.

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As a MAGA, why were you at a protest march against police brutality against Black people? Your people don’t believe that Black Lives Matter, so why were you there, if not to sow confusion and disruption at the protests.

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Anonymous wrote:We have seen the Left engage in lots of killing throughout history, Mao, Stalin, Che, etc.

MAGA at some point will fight in kind.

Did you personally witness any of this “killing” that was supposedly done by “the left”?

Have you personally known anyone - even ONE person - who was affected in any way whatsoever, let alone killed, by Mao or Stalin or Che? Of course you don’t. Because all that stuff is a pack of lies, written during the Cold War, to bend the malleable minds of young fools like yourself. And you parrot it back as it was gospel.


You should be ashamed of your ignorance on display. Everyone knows how stupid you are.

DP A man I know, a neighbor up the road, is from Romania. His father, in the 1950s, a born-again, bible-believing Christian, was arrested by the communist government for recording sermons and bible readings on a cassette tape to distribute to other Christians.

He was part of an underground church because the communists —Leftists, had, like Hitler did, placed government stooges in the church leadership positions.

He was sent to a work camp to build a canal. He entered the camp weighing 180 lbs., he came out weighing about half that.

The daughter lost her place at the university, the mother was fired, as was the son for refusing to deny Christ.

Christians in America managed to get him and his family out before they starved to death.

This is what happens when Leftists get in charge of things. We saw a peek of it with Christians in England who were fired for refusing to call a man a woman and using ungrammatical pronouns to address these people.

There are other examples of the “tolerant” Left of trying to get people fired because they oppose Leftist BS.

I hope Trump stomps all of these Leftists and their garbage agenda right into the ground.

You have so much hatred in your heart. You’re so angry and hateful. Just so you know, there are millions of left leaning Christ filled and believing Christians, who unlike you, do not wish you ill will.

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Anonymous wrote:The Speaker of the US House just called for Newsom to be tarred and feathered.

Trump has apparently considered pardoning those who conspired to kidnap Governor Whitmer.

Republicans in Washington are doing a dangerous amount of flame fanning. Maybe that’s the plan…

That is clearly their plan. They want to incite political violence.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're propagandizing yourself by focusing only on right wing violence. Try to focus on facts.

Both right wing and left wing criminals have committed acts of violence in recent times and throughout American history. Both left wing and right wing politicians and pundits have advocated violence openly and with dog whistles.

The current LA riots are a good example. Despite the "peaceful protest" narrative, we can see our own eyes people being extremely violent and committing arson. Before you waste time defending left wing violence as moral or somehow less violent because you agree with the actors' politics, understand what you are tacitly supporting. People whose position on violence is highly flexible due to partisanship stand for the idea that people get to be violent if they believe strongly in their cause or believe the other side deserves it. The problem is that EVERY violent movement in history and every side in a war, civil or otherwise, has believed the other side deserving and their cause just.

If you want to minimize the likelihood of running terrified while your former neighbors and countrymen hunt you down, stand vocally and unequivocally with zero exceptions for the conviction that violence is a completely unacceptable way to handle disagreements of any sort. Every time people pretend not to see violence when their chosen side is perpetrating it, they legitimize it as a fair response to themselves.

Equating people fighting for civil rights with a coup is really weak. They are not the same.

PP here. Has it not occurred to you that the people burning cars and buildings, throwing bricks and concrete chunks at police, and passing out improvised weapons might actually not give a single damn about civil rights? Do you really not realize that there are people who will take advantage of chaos to cause mayhem for the fun of it?

If you're on this board, odds are you're smart enough to have considered that bad actors are using the protests to cause mayhem. You just don't care because you're enjoying their violence towards ICE, police, and right wing people by proxy. That makes you a dangerous ideologue and you don't get to hide behind "fighting for civil rights" -- especially not when the nutjobs you're giving cover to are turning people against the civil rights causes that sincere protesters care about. People like you teem like roaches among Democrats. The leftwing equivalent of right wing nutjobs, except even more sanctimonious. It's a big problem.

anarchists are not democrats...they are anarchists, if that is what you are aiming for.

Either way, no one supports the violence, but be honest, it started with this version of ICE. These things didn't happen under Obama or Biden. Just Trump.

Then Democrats need to ditch the gaslighting "peaceful protest" BS and say, hey, these crazies aren't part of us and we denounce them. That's not what Democrats are doing though. When bad people use you for cover and you let them, you go down with them.

We are saying that. You are responding to exactly that.

Oh, really? Whoever "we" is needs to pass the word to Democratic politicians then. They're still hard at work on national tv trying to gaslight the nation with the "peaceful protests" line and looking crazy in the process.

For instance, look up Corey Booker on "Meet the Press" a couple of days ago. He claimed the protests were peaceful and it was Trump causing chaos.

Just today, Maxine Waters claimed there was no violence (she literally said that) and that she would know because she was on the street.

As you know, there are many more examples of prominent Democratic politicians giving cover to the violent rioters by denying they did anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I literally just heard Trump on the evening news state, while addressing troops, that Newsom and Bass paid agitators to riot. He is one of the major sources of disinformation in this country.

So now we know that Trump, or someone connected to him, is paying agitators to riot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're propagandizing yourself by focusing only on right wing violence. Try to focus on facts.

Both right wing and left wing criminals have committed acts of violence in recent times and throughout American history. Both left wing and right wing politicians and pundits have advocated violence openly and with dog whistles.

The current LA riots are a good example. Despite the "peaceful protest" narrative, we can see our own eyes people being extremely violent and committing arson. Before you waste time defending left wing violence as moral or somehow less violent because you agree with the actors' politics, understand what you are tacitly supporting. People whose position on violence is highly flexible due to partisanship stand for the idea that people get to be violent if they believe strongly in their cause or believe the other side deserves it. The problem is that EVERY violent movement in history and every side in a war, civil or otherwise, has believed the other side deserving and their cause just.

If you want to minimize the likelihood of running terrified while your former neighbors and countrymen hunt you down, stand vocally and unequivocally with zero exceptions for the conviction that violence is a completely unacceptable way to handle disagreements of any sort. Every time people pretend not to see violence when their chosen side is perpetrating it, they legitimize it as a fair response to themselves.

Equating people fighting for civil rights with a coup is really weak. They are not the same.

PP here. Has it not occurred to you that the people burning cars and buildings, throwing bricks and concrete chunks at police, and passing out improvised weapons might actually not give a single damn about civil rights? Do you really not realize that there are people who will take advantage of chaos to cause mayhem for the fun of it?

If you're on this board, odds are you're smart enough to have considered that bad actors are using the protests to cause mayhem. You just don't care because you're enjoying their violence towards ICE, police, and right wing people by proxy. That makes you a dangerous ideologue and you don't get to hide behind "fighting for civil rights" -- especially not when the nutjobs you're giving cover to are turning people against the civil rights causes that sincere protesters care about. People like you teem like roaches among Democrats. The leftwing equivalent of right wing nutjobs, except even more sanctimonious. It's a big problem.

anarchists are not democrats...they are anarchists, if that is what you are aiming for.

Either way, no one supports the violence, but be honest, it started with this version of ICE. These things didn't happen under Obama or Biden. Just Trump.

Then Democrats need to ditch the gaslighting "peaceful protest" BS and say, hey, these crazies aren't part of us and we denounce them. That's not what Democrats are doing though. When bad people use you for cover and you let them, you go down with them.

We are saying that. You are responding to exactly that.

Agree. Burning cars and looting isn't a "Democrat approved" thing. It's what stupid young people given too long of a leash do. I have heard zero Dems or Republicans call what's going in LA a "peaceful protest".

When the federal government takes people off the street without identifying who they are arresting and make no effect in changing each individual with a crime it is very scary. None of the people taken by the “raids” have been allowed to talk to their lawyers or even allow to contact anyone. Lawyers have been denied access for 3-4 days. Word is many have been shipped out of the country even though they are US citizens.

It is scary to think that any American would advocate for the elimination of constitutional right by the federal government. It is much more important to support the constitution vs lawless unidentified federal agents and private contractors.

Anyone with half a brain knows what happened and who started the “riots” and burning cars. It was ICE and their contractors. They used tear gas, flash bang grenades and other devices which cause cars to burn and other damage. Why in the world ICE is deploying with those weapons to arrest day laborers at Home Depot is an interesting topic.

This is very reminiscent of the Portland response.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It is clear and Trump's words and the response from the Army behind him only make it more real.

Will all those "second amendment" fans see it for what it is, or join in because it is their tribe?

(and I guess they don't realize there are plenty of guns and gun owners in blue areas)

The Deep South states all have between 53 - 60% gun owners. Massachusetts and New Jersey have the least amount with between 10 - 15% of gun owners. And the Deep South people are nuts. There’s no contest.

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Sowing hatred and division everywhere he goes.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I do. I don't think it's most, but enough MAGA people seem itching for a fight that I've gone out and gotten a gun and learned to shoot it. I'm not interested in being a sitting duck should the time come because I stupidly took the stance of "it could never happen here." No, it absolutely could happen here, just as it has happened elsewhere throughout history.

This and I swore I would never hold a gun but now I'm prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:Sowing hatred and division everywhere he goes.

Listen to this fool about "insurrectionists".....he will kick off a civil war no doubt. It's what he and all his deplorables want.

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Anonymous wrote:I literally just heard Trump on the evening news state, while addressing troops, that Newsom and Bass paid agitators to riot. He is one of the major sources of disinformation in this country.

So now we know that Trump, or someone connected to him, is paying agitators to riot.

Yup

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You people sound insane. The government is conducting raids to find criminal aliens. As the government has done for decades barring the Biden administration. This isn't MAGA fighting you, this is the government doing its job. And now you're buying guns and training to shoot Republicans? You're the problem here.

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Anonymous wrote:I literally just heard Trump on the evening news state, while addressing troops, that Newsom and Bass paid agitators to riot. He is one of the major sources of disinformation in this country.

So now we know that Trump, or someone connected to him, is paying agitators to riot.

"Attorney Laura Powell looked into CHIRLA's funding and made some startling findings. Yes, there's government money going into the org; that's not startling. What is startling is the amount. According to a financial audit submitted to the State of California, for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2023, CHIRLA took in $34 million from various government contracts, and 96 percent of the government funding was from the State of California. That amount is nearly three times the prior year's government contract total. CHIRLA's total revenue for the year ending June 30, 2023, was $45 million, meaning that 75.5 percent of its revenue came from government contracts."

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2025/06/09/we-followed-the-money-in-the-la-riots-34-million-in-taxpayer-dollars-lots-of-connections-to-karen-bass-n2190217

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It is clear and Trump's words and the response from the Army behind him only make it more real.

Will all those "second amendment" fans see it for what it is, or join in because it is their tribe?

(and I guess they don't realize there are plenty of guns and gun owners in blue areas)

The Deep South states all have between 53 - 60% gun owners. Massachusetts and New Jersey have the least amount with between 10 - 15% of gun owners. And the Deep South people are nuts. There’s no contest.

That’s registered. Reminds me of the Dave Bautista movie “Bushwick. You know what they say about making assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:You people sound insane. The government is conducting raids to find criminal aliens. As the government has done for decades barring the Biden administration. This isn't MAGA fighting you, this is the government doing its job. And now you're buying guns and training to shoot Republicans? You're the problem here.

Agree-