Will Wake ever be in the #30s again?

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

I hate to break it to you, but a majority of the country has never even heard of Wake Forest.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

I hate to break it to you, but a majority of the country has never even heard of Wake Forest.

And less than a third can name the three branches of government.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

I hate to break it to you, but a majority of the country has never even heard of Wake Forest.

You’d be surprised, both its basketball and football teams have been ranked in the top 20 in the past decade

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

I wouldn't 'throw in' USC with those other schools. It's at least a tier below, USNWR rankings be darned.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

If you define 14% as “a few points lower” than 21%, then ok?

You don’t!? An appreciable difference in selectivity would be 5 percent or 35 percent. Five points or so can be taking a few more kids in ED and a few less in RD than one of the others.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

I wouldn't 'throw in' USC with those other schools. It's at least a tier below, USNWR rankings be darned.

Agree - long time Californian here. It's still the University of Spoiled Children

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

+1. UVA is $40k a year. Wake Forest is $91,266! UVA is ranked no 24. Wake Forest is 46! I've never heard of anyone chosing WF over UVA is they have a choice. https://financialaid.wfu.edu/cost-of-attendance/undergraduate/

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

+1. UVA is $40k a year. Wake Forest is $91,266! UVA is ranked no 24. Wake Forest is 46! I've never heard of anyone chosing WF over UVA is they have a choice. https://financialaid.wfu.edu/cost-of-attendance/undergraduate/

You must not know many people who don't want to go to a school with 25k+ people. Wake is a liberal arts university, UVA is comparable to Alabama, Urbana Champaign, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

+1. UVA is $40k a year. Wake Forest is $91,266! UVA is ranked no 24. Wake Forest is 46! I've never heard of anyone chosing WF over UVA is they have a choice. https://financialaid.wfu.edu/cost-of-attendance/undergraduate/

Not everyone is in state for UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

+1. UVA is $40k a year. Wake Forest is $91,266! UVA is ranked no 24. Wake Forest is 46! I've never heard of anyone chosing WF over UVA is they have a choice. https://financialaid.wfu.edu/cost-of-attendance/undergraduate/

Ranking is a metric used by the dumbest of the dumb. Please have original thoughts and opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

I hate to break it to you, but a majority of the country has never even heard of Wake Forest.

You’d be surprised, both its basketball and football teams have been ranked in the top 20 in the past decade

Yeah, but half the people who noticed that thought it was Lake Forest.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

If you define 14% as “a few points lower” than 21%, then ok?

You don’t!? An appreciable difference in selectivity would be 5 percent or 35 percent. Five points or so can be taking a few more kids in ED and a few less in RD than one of the others.

21% = 14%, if you say so. I doubt many agree, but you’ve defined your terms.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

+1. UVA is $40k a year. Wake Forest is $91,266! UVA is ranked no 24. Wake Forest is 46! I've never heard of anyone chosing WF over UVA is they have a choice. https://financialaid.wfu.edu/cost-of-attendance/undergraduate/

You must not know many people who don't want to go to a school with 25k+ people. Wake is a liberal arts university, UVA is comparable to Alabama, Urbana Champaign, etc.

Wake is a luxury good. Most of the luxury schools realize that they have to pretend to be assessable if they want to be well regarded, Wake didn't get the memo and is choosing to be more like High Point and Elon than Duke

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

+1. UVA is $40k a year. Wake Forest is $91,266! UVA is ranked no 24. Wake Forest is 46! I've never heard of anyone chosing WF over UVA is they have a choice. https://financialaid.wfu.edu/cost-of-attendance/undergraduate/

You must not know many people who don't want to go to a school with 25k+ people. Wake is a liberal arts university, UVA is comparable to Alabama, Urbana Champaign, etc.

Wake is a luxury good. Most of the luxury schools realize that they have to pretend to be assessable if they want to be well regarded, Wake didn't get the memo and is choosing to be more like High Point and Elon than Duke

I bet you think this was a clever retort, but it reads as complete nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t all that long ago that US News categorized WF as a regional school, and when it first was recategorized as national it was nowhere near the top 30. What goes around comes around.

Honestly, let’s get serious: does anyone really think WF is anywhere near as strong as UVA or UNC? Nope.

Sorry to break it to you but UVA is nowhere near UNC. And yes I would consider WF similar to UVA - they’re both solid in academics but not amazing.

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Wake, BC, UVA, Tufts, all peers schools, maybe throw in USC as well. I don’t think the so-called Wake boosters are arguing differently. Not sure why UNC is seen as a tier above. It’s harder than UVA for oos admittance by a good measure, but far easier for in state admission.

Wake has double the admission rate of the other schools you listed.

Wake’s admit rate is 21 percent. BC and UVA are a few points lower. USC doesn’t count spring admits and guaranteed transfers in its rate, neither of which Wake has.

BC’s admission rate is 14%
UVA’s admission rate is 18%

I don’t think you can directly compare admit rates. You need to compare things that are the same prices. For example, if the OOS tuition for UVA is the same as WF tuition then you could compare. But if kids are picking UVA in state because it’s a half or a quarter of the price then that’s not a reflection on perceived quality of the college. The question is where do families choose to go when they are spending a certain amount of money. All things being equal, I’d send my kids to WF any day rather than UVA and I’m sure that the vast majority of the country would do the same.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but plenty of people would pick UVA over WF...it's kind of nuts to claim the vast majority would pick WF. The campus is meh...Winston Salem is a fairly depressing town so adds no value to WF (other than I guess an airport...though not sure people actually fly into that airport)..school is fine, but isn't tops in anything.

UVA had 42,540 OOS applicants for 5,530 OOS slots last year vs 17,500 total applications to Wake Forest for 3,600 slots. Considering OOS tuition for UVA for business and engineering tops $90k/year (and it's $78k for other majors), seems like in fact more OOS kids are interested in attending UVA vs. WF.