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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought "the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" was one of his most powerful songs. About a real person from southern Maryland:
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/us/10zantzinger.html
He deserved the Nobel Prize.

That is an important social protest song and sadly the way the US justice system disproportionately jails and executes black Americans remains a major issue.

However, I don’t love the melody of this song or the literal story telling. I can see why he went literal for such a shocking story of fatal racism. A powerful song but not one of my favorite BD songs he in terms of music and poetic storytelling.

DP. Also one of my favorites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. Allow people the right to provide his/her own opinions. They may disagree; but that’s the purpose of open discourse. Not everyone will always agree.

Some people love BD; others, not so much. You shouldn’t have to be bullied into watching a movie. Some posters on this thread feel that if you do not absolutely love BD and rush to the movie theater, then you need correction.

Nothing wrong with BD; not everyone’s cup of tea.

True but coming to a thread to discuss a movie about Dylan just to rant about how much you hate him, won’t see the movie, you can’t make me nannie nannie boo boo, just indicates you should probably find better hobbies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought "the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" was one of his most powerful songs. About a real person from southern Maryland:
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/us/10zantzinger.html
He deserved the Nobel Prize.

That is an important social protest song and sadly the way the US justice system disproportionately jails and executes black Americans remains a major issue.

However, I don’t love the melody of this song or the literal story telling. I can see why he went literal for such a shocking story of fatal racism. A powerful song but not one of my favorite BD songs he in terms of music and poetic storytelling.

It’s supposed to be more like a spoken word poem than a song, I think. Dylan also wrote that its disjointed melody was purposeful. The chorus is particularly powerful. “and you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fear …”

[Anonymous]

I think you have to be into lyrics to like Dylan. His music/musicianship isn’t interesting, so there’s nothing there for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you have to be into lyrics to like Dylan. His music/musicianship isn’t interesting, so there’s nothing there for me.

I agree. I don’t find him interesting either. To each his own I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I loved it - I wasn't looking for insight into Dylan's psyche (although that too would be interesting) but as a snapshot of the historical moment and his role in it, I thought it worked well. And phenomenal performances from Chalemet and Ed Norton in particular.

Agree. This movie isn’t really a biopic. It’s a moment in time, and I really enjoyed it for that.

[Anonymous]

This movie being in the news has caused me to go back and listen to a lot of old Bob Dylan songs, and I've had Desolation Row on repeat now for about 3 days. "When you asked me how I was doing, was that some kind of joke" and the way his voice trails down at the end of the word "joke" in a perfect emphasis of his disgust/disaffection is now burned into me with the fire of 1,000 suns -- why didn't this person understand a fraction of what the guy was going through? How could they be such an idiot with such a question lol?

A lot of people are going off on Dylan's voice but I love his voice so much. He was in his twenties when he sang many of these songs but his VOICE is saying that he had the wisdom of a sixty year old, at least. Also, he could really hit those high notes. Some of those songs are just beautiful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always thought "the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" was one of his most powerful songs. About a real person from southern Maryland:
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/us/10zantzinger.html
He deserved the Nobel Prize.

Great song.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Timothee Chalamet is a great talent of our time. I am so imoressed by his performance. I loved watching Greenwich Village come to life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Timothee Chalamet is a great talent of our time. I am so imoressed by his performance. I loved watching Greenwich Village come to life.

Agreed! Can't wait to see what this kid does next. He's so young and has already done so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought "the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" was one of his most powerful songs. About a real person from southern Maryland:
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/us/10zantzinger.html
He deserved the Nobel Prize.

That is an important social protest song and sadly the way the US justice system disproportionately jails and executes black Americans remains a major issue.

However, I don’t love the melody of this song or the literal story telling. I can see why he went literal for such a shocking story of fatal racism. A powerful song but not one of my favorite BD songs he in terms of music and poetic storytelling.

It’s supposed to be more like a spoken word poem than a song, I think. Dylan also wrote that its disjointed melody was purposeful. The chorus is particularly powerful. “and you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fear …”

Interesting about the melody was disjointed on purpose: That makes more sense.

Aren’t all poems made of words? This was more like narrating a story literally to me.

I have taken poetry and spirituality classes and where most people in my class landed for how we think that poems differ from other prose is the use of imagery and metaphors.

It is subjective of course, but to me: Poems need both
Imagery to help the reader to imagine and feel like they are in the scenes; and Metaphors that compare two things that are otherwise unrelated by linking them in new ways that illuminate the poems subject.

That said - I love the poetic nature of most BD songs. It is no coincidence that he renamed himself for the poet Dylan Thomas - Throughout his entire life, BD seems to have followed DT’s admonition “Do not go gentle into that good night"

[Anonymous]

I’m a big Dylan fan and asked my teenage daughter to watch this Dylan film with me this weekend, she really didn’t want to and did it basically as a favor. But she got pulled in, and was surprised by how much of a rebel he was in the sixties, because what she knows of him now is the eighty year old wrinkled and ancient guy who isn’t in the news much. But the mischievous, put upon, rebellious, imperfect, back-talking, obsessive, vulnerable, hunted, funny guy in this movie was interesting to her, and she enjoyed the movie. (She was not a huge Timothee Chalamet fan or anything beforehand.). Excellent mother daughter experience, A++, would recommend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was boring. But, it seems Dylan was and is boring. I am not into his music, tried to get into it, but just not my style. I think Eric Clapton is more my style.

Dylan is a genius. You probably don't get it

He was a decent poet but a sh*tty singer and a lousy human being. Don't try to make him out to be more than he is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a big Dylan fan and asked my teenage daughter to watch this Dylan film with me this weekend, she really didn’t want to and did it basically as a favor. But she got pulled in, and was surprised by how much of a rebel he was in the sixties, because what she knows of him now is the eighty year old wrinkled and ancient guy who isn’t in the news much. But the mischievous, put upon, rebellious, imperfect, back-talking, obsessive, vulnerable, hunted, funny guy in this movie was interesting to her, and she enjoyed the movie. (She was not a huge Timothee Chalamet fan or anything beforehand.). Excellent mother daughter experience, A++, would recommend.

Nice - might try this suggestion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was boring. But, it seems Dylan was and is boring. I am not into his music, tried to get into it, but just not my style. I think Eric Clapton is more my style.

Dylan is a genius. You probably don't get it

He was a decent poet but a sh*tty singer and a lousy human being. Don't try to make him out to be more than he is.

What's lousy about him?