Al Smith Dinner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harris skips Al Smith dinner, Whitmer posts video offensive to Catholics. Not going to help in Catholic swing states.

The Catholic Church is on its way to oblivion because so few catholics attend services.

Good, now if we can all Christians, Muslims, and Jews to tone down the amount of "religion" in their lives, maybe we can move closer towards world peace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that the white American Catholic Church is getting more radical, extreme, and political as time goes on.

Lots of normal, moderate Catholics have left the Church since the abuse scandals, coverups, and restitution payments. I have so many politically moderate friends who do not want to raise their kids in the Church, even if they otherwise received a fantastic education from Catholic schools. Congregations are getting older and more conservative. Young people converting to Catholicism tend to hard-right and are embracing TradCath ideologies, seeing it as a new form of conservative Republican networking.

It will be interesting to see how Latino and African-American Catholics react to the changes happening among the white elite who still control the power levers of the American Catholic Church. They are not nearly as radical in their ideologies.

I don't know what you mean by moderate Catholic. Plenty of people across the whole political spectrum at your local Catholic Church. If by moderate you are talking about people who don't want to believe core teachings of the church, then good, they should leave and find a church that agrees with them. But it is they who have drifted; the church is not the one changing its position on these teachings.

[Anonymous]

This is viral in Michigan. My son in college just sent it to me and three 🤣🤣🤣 emojis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that the white American Catholic Church is getting more radical, extreme, and political as time goes on.

Lots of normal, moderate Catholics have left the Church since the abuse scandals, coverups, and restitution payments. I have so many politically moderate friends who do not want to raise their kids in the Church, even if they otherwise received a fantastic education from Catholic schools. Congregations are getting older and more conservative. Young people converting to Catholicism tend to hard-right and are embracing TradCath ideologies, seeing it as a new form of conservative Republican networking.

It will be interesting to see how Latino and African-American Catholics react to the changes happening among the white elite who still control the power levers of the American Catholic Church. They are not nearly as radical in their ideologies.

I don't know what you mean by moderate Catholic. Plenty of people across the whole political spectrum at your local Catholic Church. If by moderate you are talking about people who don't want to believe core teachings of the church, then good, they should leave and find a church that agrees with them. But it is they who have drifted; the church is not the one changing its position on these teachings.

The Catholic Church has always been really corrupt (remember the Reformation?). Public awareness of the corruption ebbs and flows but right now is at a high thanks to the Church deciding to interfere in U.S. politics.

Boyle's departure from the Catholic Church is part of a broader trend, as church membership among Catholics has declined sharply in recent decades, especially over the past 10 years. Many who have left, like Boyle, cite their coreligionists' alliance with the MAGA "Make America Great Again" movement as a key factor in their decision.

H.L. Vogl came from a conservative background and converted enthusiastically to Catholicism as an adult. But in 2016, Vogl was dismayed to see their pastor becoming far more political — and it got worse after Donald Trump was elected president. According to Vogl, their pastor was "explicitly citing Fox News in homilies, preaching on the obligation to respect those in authority in the government, and stoking fear of 'political correctness.' "

Vogl began fact-checking the pastor's homilies, and in the process also discovered falsehoods and misrepresentations that had previously been accepted without question, such as the misrepresentation of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute.

Vogl was also appalled by the church's lack of accountability, and the harshness with which the authorities silence anyone working for gender equality.

"I could no longer see the hierarchy's claims of God-given authority as anything more than an abusive power-grab," Vogl said. "In short, the political abuses destroyed my trust in the clergy and prompted me to rip my pious blinders off. Having taken in this broader perspective, I can never see the Catholic Church the same way again."

https://www.ncronline.org/news/support-trump-within-church-has-driven-some-catholics-exits

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that the white American Catholic Church is getting more radical, extreme, and political as time goes on.

Lots of normal, moderate Catholics have left the Church since the abuse scandals, coverups, and restitution payments. I have so many politically moderate friends who do not want to raise their kids in the Church, even if they otherwise received a fantastic education from Catholic schools. Congregations are getting older and more conservative. Young people converting to Catholicism tend to hard-right and are embracing TradCath ideologies, seeing it as a new form of conservative Republican networking.

It will be interesting to see how Latino and African-American Catholics react to the changes happening among the white elite who still control the power levers of the American Catholic Church. They are not nearly as radical in their ideologies.

I don't know what you mean by moderate Catholic. Plenty of people across the whole political spectrum at your local Catholic Church. If by moderate you are talking about people who don't want to believe core teachings of the church, then good, they should leave and find a church that agrees with them. But it is they who have drifted; the church is not the one changing its position on these teachings.

G-d forbid actual Catholics follow the teachings of Jesus Christ right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harris doesn’t need the Catholic vote to win. That’s literally what she indicated in her video. She spat in their faces with that video.

Catholics are increasingly MAGA. Lots of people have left the Catholic Church for its support of Trump. It's really hard to accept that institution as a moral authority.

You’re really out of touch. Half of Catholics lean Democrat and/or were Obama/Trump/Biden voters. Our church in Michigan is full of everything from UAW hourly employees, union plumbers and electricians… to local lawyers, doctors, and business owners. Nobody at our church is a far-right extremist wacko.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harris doesn’t need the Catholic vote to win. That’s literally what she indicated in her video. She spat in their faces with that video.

Catholics are increasingly MAGA. Lots of people have left the Catholic Church for its support of Trump. It's really hard to accept that institution as a moral authority.

You’re really out of touch. Half of Catholics lean Democrat and/or were Obama/Trump/Biden voters. Our church in Michigan is full of everything from UAW hourly employees, union plumbers and electricians… to local lawyers, doctors, and business owners. Nobody at our church is a far-right extremist wacko.

"increasingly MAGA" refers to a trend. It doesn't mean ALL the priests are citing Fox News and decrying wokeness, but it does mean that the Catholic Church as an institution has aided and abetted the MAGA movement and the percentage of "wackos" is increasing as normal people leave.

[Anonymous]

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This is extremely cringe. Are the same staffers who suggested this ones who told her to go on Fox News? Has Trump paid her off to lose because I don’t understand the strategy here. So worried about Nov 5!!!

wow this is totally awful, this is an old Saturday night skit that no one will get why why why? Come up with something more recent and funny, this is horrible Kamala didn't even do any of her own material and this skit is just awful. It would have been relevant in 1998 but its so dated and cringe now.

You do realize that the average age at Al Smith dinner is over 60, right? If they watched SNL in the mid 90s, they know who MCG is. Especially if you're a Catholic.

Like I said, big time Boomer energy event.

But it’s an insulting, bigoted parody of a Catholic woman. You do get that, right? What’s next? Is she going to send a video with Chappelle playing Tyrone Biggums to an NAACP fundraiser or a video with some white guy with a sombrero doing a heavy Mexican accent to a La Rasa fundraiser?

I just don’t see why her campaign would set this up, especially a week after the Gretchen Whitmer Doritos video, unless they weren’t trying to ditch all hopes at winning over any Catholics, who make up a very large percentage of voters in states she needs to win like PA and Mich.

Donald Trump is a twice divorced philanderer with 5 children from 3 different women. There isn't a Commandment he hasn't violated. His lived life should be more insulting to Catholics than a stupid video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:spot on

2016: Why didn't Hillary Clinton campaign in Wisconsin?!

2024: Why did Kamala Harris campaign in Wisconsin instead of going to a white tie dinner in New York City?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harris doesn’t need the Catholic vote to win. That’s literally what she indicated in her video. She spat in their faces with that video.

Catholics are increasingly MAGA. Lots of people have left the Catholic Church for its support of Trump. It's really hard to accept that institution as a moral authority.

You’re really out of touch. Half of Catholics lean Democrat and/or were Obama/Trump/Biden voters. Our church in Michigan is full of everything from UAW hourly employees, union plumbers and electricians… to local lawyers, doctors, and business owners. Nobody at our church is a far-right extremist wacko.

"increasingly MAGA" refers to a trend. It doesn't mean ALL the priests are citing Fox News and decrying wokeness, but it does mean that the Catholic Church as an institution has aided and abetted the MAGA movement and the percentage of "wackos" is increasing as normal people leave.

Baseless malarkey. You are talking out of your bigoted ass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that the white American Catholic Church is getting more radical, extreme, and political as time goes on.

Lots of normal, moderate Catholics have left the Church since the abuse scandals, coverups, and restitution payments. I have so many politically moderate friends who do not want to raise their kids in the Church, even if they otherwise received a fantastic education from Catholic schools. Congregations are getting older and more conservative. Young people converting to Catholicism tend to hard-right and are embracing TradCath ideologies, seeing it as a new form of conservative Republican networking.

It will be interesting to see how Latino and African-American Catholics react to the changes happening among the white elite who still control the power levers of the American Catholic Church. They are not nearly as radical in their ideologies.

I don't know what you mean by moderate Catholic. Plenty of people across the whole political spectrum at your local Catholic Church. If by moderate you are talking about people who don't want to believe core teachings of the church, then good, they should leave and find a church that agrees with them. But it is they who have drifted; the church is not the one changing its position on these teachings.

The Catholic Church has always been really corrupt (remember the Reformation?). Public awareness of the corruption ebbs and flows but right now is at a high thanks to the Church deciding to interfere in U.S. politics.

Boyle's departure from the Catholic Church is part of a broader trend, as church membership among Catholics has declined sharply in recent decades, especially over the past 10 years. Many who have left, like Boyle, cite their coreligionists' alliance with the MAGA "Make America Great Again" movement as a key factor in their decision.

H.L. Vogl came from a conservative background and converted enthusiastically to Catholicism as an adult. But in 2016, Vogl was dismayed to see their pastor becoming far more political — and it got worse after Donald Trump was elected president. According to Vogl, their pastor was "explicitly citing Fox News in homilies, preaching on the obligation to respect those in authority in the government, and stoking fear of 'political correctness.' "

Vogl began fact-checking the pastor's homilies, and in the process also discovered falsehoods and misrepresentations that had previously been accepted without question, such as the misrepresentation of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute.

Vogl was also appalled by the church's lack of accountability, and the harshness with which the authorities silence anyone working for gender equality.

"I could no longer see the hierarchy's claims of God-given authority as anything more than an abusive power-grab," Vogl said. "In short, the political abuses destroyed my trust in the clergy and prompted me to rip my pious blinders off. Having taken in this broader perspective, I can never see the Catholic Church the same way again."

https://www.ncronline.org/news/support-trump-within-church-has-driven-some-catholics-exits

Why don't you name some institutions that are not corrupt or tainted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:spot on

2016: Why didn't Hillary Clinton campaign in Wisconsin?!

2024: Why did Kamala Harris campaign in Wisconsin instead of going to a white tie dinner in New York City?!

The election tradition white tie dinner… which was carried live across cable, YouTube, twitter, etc. and creates hundreds of millions of impressions via viral clipped content and Friday news articles?

[Anonymous]

Donald Trump wasn't funny at all, and neither was Harris, which isn't surprising, since hardly any Presidential candidates are funny when they talk at the Al Smith dinner, or the White House Correspondents' dinner. Presidential candidates usually have way, way too much ego to be funny.

This event never moves the needle, so no need to go into conniptions.

[Anonymous]

NP. What’s interesting is that the bigoted anti-Catholic poster who is rapid-fire posting here is almost certainly someone who defends the treatment of women in places like Saudi Arabia. Interesting to see the hypocrisy.

I’m an atheist Harris voter, but even I can see that the ones who are terrible in this thread are not the Trump voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump was hilarious. It was a complete miscalculation for Harris to not show.

Can not believe they gave that orange head this platform. Shame on "raising money for charities."