William & Mary admission rates

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

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Even AI says it is more difficult to get in to UVA than W&M. Google: More difficult to get in W&M and UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

The point is you are not factoring enrolled stats along with acceptance rate. You are only reciting acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

Only for some.
What PP was saying is that it’s not necessarily twice as difficult for a high stats person to get accepted. It’s just statistically less likely fo ANY applicant to get admitted.
But not all applicants have the same odds.

It’s not a blind lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

Actually, UVA scores higher on SCHEV in four caregories: 75th percentile ACT (a whopping 35 or higher; W&M is a 34); 25th percebtile SAT; 50th and 25th percentile for GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

Actually, UVA scores higher on SCHEV in four caregories: 75th percentile ACT (a whopping 35 or higher; W&M is a 34); 25th percebtile SAT; 50th and 25th percentile for GPA.

These are small differences and you are only referencing selected points. Below are all the data points. Are you really objectively claiming there is a huge difference here?:

SAT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 1520/1470/1410
W&M: 1530/1470/1400

ACT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 35/33/30
W&M: 34/33/32

GPA 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 4.5/4.4/4.2
W&M: 4.53/4.35/4.18
(Note that UVA appears to be providing numbers rounded to the tenth)

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

Actually, UVA scores higher on SCHEV in four caregories: 75th percentile ACT (a whopping 35 or higher; W&M is a 34); 25th percebtile SAT; 50th and 25th percentile for GPA.

These are small differences and you are only referencing selected points. Below are all the data points. Are you really objectively claiming there is a huge difference here?:

SAT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 1520/1470/1410
W&M: 1530/1470/1400

ACT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 35/33/30
W&M: 34/33/32

GPA 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 4.5/4.4/4.2
W&M: 4.53/4.35/4.18
(Note that UVA appears to be providing numbers rounded to the tenth)

You lost the argument a page ago. The acceptance rates are very different. Go to bed.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

Only for some.
What PP was saying is that it’s not necessarily twice as difficult for a high stats person to get accepted. It’s just statistically less likely for ANY applicant to get admitted.
But not all applicants have the same odds.

It’s not a blind lottery.

Correct.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

Actually, UVA scores higher on SCHEV in four caregories: 75th percentile ACT (a whopping 35 or higher; W&M is a 34); 25th percebtile SAT; 50th and 25th percentile for GPA.

These are small differences and you are only referencing selected points. Below are all the data points. Are you really objectively claiming there is a huge difference here?:

SAT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 1520/1470/1410
W&M: 1530/1470/1400

ACT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 35/33/30
W&M: 34/33/32

GPA 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 4.5/4.4/4.2
W&M: 4.53/4.35/4.18
(Note that UVA appears to be providing numbers rounded to the tenth)

You lost the argument a page ago. The acceptance rates are very different. Go to bed.

Proclaim yourself the winner. How Trumpian.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

The enrolled stats are the same.

but you hide the fact that it's significantly more difficult to get in UVA, stats or no stats.

But for whom is it more difficult? For everyone?? I’m not sure the numbers bear that out.
It seems neither school is a good bet for Joe Average.
But a student with high stats seems to have a better shot of getting into W&M than at UVA.

DP. That's nonsensical. 18% of of 60,000 apps (12% for OOS) versus 34% out of 17,000 apps ? Of course it's more difficult. Like more than twice as difficult.

If UVA was more than twice as difficult, the enrolled stats would be much, much higher. They are certainly not.

Duke and Northeastern have the same acceptance rate. Is Northeastern as selective as Duke? No. How do we know that? The enrolled student stats are higher for Duke. You have to factor enrolled stats.

Which you've already admitted is about the same per SCHEV. Yet UVA's admission rate is 16-18% and W&M's is 34%. huge difference

Actually, UVA scores higher on SCHEV in four caregories: 75th percentile ACT (a whopping 35 or higher; W&M is a 34); 25th percebtile SAT; 50th and 25th percentile for GPA.

These are small differences and you are only referencing selected points. Below are all the data points. Are you really objectively claiming there is a huge difference here?:

SAT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 1520/1470/1410
W&M: 1530/1470/1400

ACT 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 35/33/30
W&M: 34/33/32

GPA 75th/50th/25th
UVA: 4.5/4.4/4.2
W&M: 4.53/4.35/4.18
(Note that UVA appears to be providing numbers rounded to the tenth)

You lost the argument a page ago. The acceptance rates are very different. Go to bed.

Again, if acceptance rates are all that should be factored, Duke and Northeastern are equally selective. And Davidson is more selective than UVA.

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How many are accepted test optional at UVA vs W&M?

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Anonymous wrote:I was just thinking about the same question today. At our very competitive FCPS, getting into William and Mary is very, very difficult. There is nowhere near a 40% acceptance rate. I am not sure why the acceptance rate appears so high, because coming from FCPS, I imagine it’s in the 20% range or lower. And only the top kids are applying.

It's more self selective. People who do not have the academic qualifications to get into W&M tend not to apply unlike other a lot of other schools

This. You can tell the cuts offs for WM (and UVA) in Naviance, and it is pretty clear what it takes to be admitted. (VT is a bit different because it doesn’t break out engineering and CS, which are very high stat, from other schools that are not. UVA has a much smaller engineering school). And WM has an optional extra essay that admissions clearly said in my kid’s info session is not optional. And they push demonstrated interest and consider it strongly, which means interviewing, visiting before being admitted, etc. You can a pretty clear idea of whether you will get in from NOVA just by looking at Naviance and checking demonstrated interest boxes. My kid had white/Asian female friends sitting in the 4.1-4.2 range who didn’t even bother to apply to WM because they knew they weren’t getting in and/or they didn’t want it enough to jump through the extra essay, interview, campus visit hoops.

The clear cut off, plus the fact it is the smallest T-whatever public university in the US and attracts a certain type of kid makes its applicant pool pretty self selecting.

Oddly, the same not really there on stats/ not applying to WM kids will often apply to UVA. Not sure why. I’m sure not having the extra essay helps. As does the fact UVA is more of a traditional flagship and WM attracts kids who want more undergrad focus, small classes, etc. and less big sports / highly visible Greek life.

But, statistically, it's more difficult to get into UVA.

UVA's admissions rate is lower, but the stats are pretty much even.

75th/50th/25th for SAT is 1520/1470/1410 for UVA vs 1530/1470/1400 for W&M. GPA is 4.5/4.4/4.2 for UVA vs 4.53/4.35/4.18 for W&M.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Actually UVA's admissions rates are much lower at 16% - 18% (12% for OOS; 24% for in-state) out of 60,000 apps. W&M's acceptance rate is 34%, same for in-state and OOS,out of 17,000 apps.

Where are you getting your numbers?

SCHEV says UVA acceptance rate is 31% in-state/21% OOS.
https://research.schev.edu/iProfile/234076/University-of-Virginia

W&M is 39%/28%.
https://research.schev.edu/iProfile/231624/William-&-Mary

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W&M parent here. Why do we have to go over this every couple months again and again?

Yes, UVA has a lower acceptance rate as it offers engineering and bigger sports, etc. which W&M does not. So, it appeals to a larger group of prospective students. No hard feelings, why would there be? (at least not from me).

W&M has always been a bit more self-selecting due to its size, location and other factors including no engineering department, etc.

SAT/ACT test result submission is rapidly declining at both, but they are pretty much equal in the percentage that still do.

In my personal view, purely looking at admission % and caliber. Yes, UVA has a lower admission rate, but the caliber of kids getting into either is pretty much equal.

Let you kid decide which one is the better fit/offer for them. Visiting both, they should have a clear preference.