Another day, another school shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s time we start locking up these insane kids to protect the normal ones.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of gun control, mental health care etc, IMO.

Why are schools not secure?? I think that is what should realistically be focused on. I don’t hear about many mass shootings at courthouses, airports or sports stadiums. Metal detectors for all adults and bags (and students above a certain age), armed officer at every school K-12, fortifying the perimeter and entry points, and improved technology (so much that can be done these days). IMO this is where the focus should be…if we are being realistic

Funny how all other developed countries can figure this out, but for Americans, it is insurmountable?

Come on, be better people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of gun control, mental health care etc, IMO.

Why are schools not secure?? I think that is what should realistically be focused on. I don’t hear about many mass shootings at courthouses, airports or sports stadiums. Metal detectors for all adults and bags (and students above a certain age), armed officer at every school K-12, fortifying the perimeter and entry points, and improved technology (so much that can be done these days). IMO this is where the focus should be…if we are being realistic

How do you know there was no security? Still if you want to play this game let’s play it. Every time I get in a security line at the airport, government building or sport stadium I know no one line has been screened. Anyone around me can have a bomb, a hand gun and or an assault rifle. The security line becomes the easiest target.

The current strategy of “let’s do nothing- just wait patiently until all guns are banned” does not appear to be working out very well. Until such a thing occurs, increases in security procedures need to be the focus unless we want this to keep happening

The choice is not do nothing or wait until all guns are banned.

There are a multitude of sensible gun laws that could be passed from banning assault weapons, to red flag laws, to preventing teens from buying guns, to making guns traceable, a national registry…you are just blowing smoke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of gun control, mental health care etc, IMO.

Why are schools not secure?? I think that is what should realistically be focused on. I don’t hear about many mass shootings at courthouses, airports or sports stadiums. Metal detectors for all adults and bags (and students above a certain age), armed officer at every school K-12, fortifying the perimeter and entry points, and improved technology (so much that can be done these days). IMO this is where the focus should be…if we are being realistic

So I have to wait around, get searched, pay for a bunch of people to play security theater just so right-wingers can cuddle up with their emotional security guns? That's messed up.

Yep. Once again: even with all of the mass shootings, how much progress has been made with gun control?! How much progress will be made in the near future? The most realistic guess is: none. None at all.

Realistically, the choice is increased security measures (whether that inconveniences you or not) OR the shootings continue with no reductions.

Well, if we have a blue wave in November, there is reason for hope. It must be up and down the ticket though, so legislation can be passed.

Change is going to come, and when it does, there will be a flood of changes all at once. I don't know when, but the day is coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Washington Post has been tracking gun violence at school (the federal government, in yet another mind-boggling failure in this area, doesn't even track this). Nearly 400,000 students have experienced gun violence at their school since Columbine. This includes kids who died, were injured, witnessed violence, or cowered in closets or bathrooms to hide from the shootings on the other side of the door.

Untold numbers of schools schools have also had false alarms -- not drills, but actual lockdowns that are triggered, leading the school and students to believe that it's their turn. (My own kid had one of these. She hid in the closet and texted me that she loved me).

And of course EVERY kid has done drills, countless drills, in each one imagining the moment someone enters their place of learning to hunt them like an animal.

Nobody wants it this way. No one. Not even the A-rated-by-the-NRA cowards in congress. Eventually, the politicians will crack. It will be harder to do nothing than it is to make change. Once a few shift, most will. We will look back on this time, and see it for what it was, and is: madness.

So vote out those A rated politicians. Don’t “wait for them to crack “ while kids are literally being mowed down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

He threatened to shoot up the school last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will wait for the official report, but if the parents had anything to do with the guns that this kid had access to, I really hope that they get treated the same as the Crumbleys. We need to hold parents responsible for allowing their children access to guns. Period.

That does not save one life, because it is after the fact.

Let’s focus on preventing the next shooting!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

He threatened to shoot up the school last year.

This is not hard. We need to institutionalize kids like this early and rehabilitate them or keep them completely segregated and under constant watch until they are rehabilitated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

The kid had threatened to shoot up his school in 2023 per the FBI

WTF is wrong with our country? This kid’s parents should have had all guns confiscated on a regular basis. This is really sick. The rights of this child and his parents were more important than every other kid at that school. And now four people are dead and thousands more have their lives altered forever.

Oh it is definitely the gun nuts’ freedom over the welfare of the rest of us.

Which is why we have to vote out politicians who choose to prioritize their interests.

They are in the minority, and not good citizens.

[Anonymous]

Law enforcement had full warning he was going to do it back in May 2023, but they failed to arrest this kid, and the school failed to expel him:

“FBI Atlanta responded earlier today to Apalachee High School following reports of an active shooter. Throughout the day FBI personnel have been coordinating with and supporting local and state law enforcement. The FBI will dedicate all available resources, as requested, to seek justice and bring closure for the victims and their families.

In May 2023, the FBI's National Threat Operations Center received several anonymous tips about online threats to commit a school shooting at an unidentified location and time. The online threats contained photographs of guns. Within 24 hours, the FBI determined the online post originated in Georgia and the FBI's Atlanta Field Office referred the information to the Jackson County Sheriffs Office for action. The Jackson County Sheriffs' Office located a possible subject, a 13-year-old male, and interviewed him and his father. The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them. The subject denied making the threats online. Jackson County alerted local schools for continued monitoring of the subject. At that time, there was no probable cause for arrest or to take any additional law enforcement action on the local or federal level.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

The kid had threatened to shoot up his school in 2023 per the FBI

WTF is wrong with our country? This kid’s parents should have had all guns confiscated on a regular basis. This is really sick. The rights of this child and his parents were more important than every other kid at that school. And now four people are dead and thousands more have their lives altered forever.

Oh it is definitely the gun nuts’ freedom over the welfare of the rest of us.

Which is why we have to vote out politicians who choose to prioritize their interests.

They are in the minority, and not good citizens.

So you support a police state. Got it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any gun owner or seller whose gun finds its way into a crime scene like this needs to be sued into oblivion. And we need to make judgments for this kind of negligent or reckless behavior nondischargeable in bankruptcy.

Financial settlements do not bring people’s children back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

The kid had threatened to shoot up his school in 2023 per the FBI

WTF is wrong with our country? This kid’s parents should have had all guns confiscated on a regular basis. This is really sick. The rights of this child and his parents were more important than every other kid at that school. And now four people are dead and thousands more have their lives altered forever.

Oh it is definitely the gun nuts’ freedom over the welfare of the rest of us.

Which is why we have to vote out politicians who choose to prioritize their interests.

They are in the minority, and not good citizens.

So you support a police state. Got it

Other safe, prosperous countries are not police states, so you can stop with your nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

No. Only one question. Why don’t we outlaw guns like every other civilized country?

If you want to argue second amendment, every single gun owner should be registered and subject to some rules and laws regarding a well regulated militia.

You are exercising your freedom of expression. Did you register first? Was your comment pre-approved by the government first?!

It was the Heller decision in 2008 that went off road:

District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)
Author: Antonin Scalia

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

U.S. v. Miller (1939)
Author: James Clark McReynolds

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a “shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length” at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, a court cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.

Presser v. Illinois (1886)
Author: William Burnham Woods

In view of the fact that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force of the national government, as well as in view of its general powers, the states cannot prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security. However, unless restrained by their own constitutions, state legislatures may enact statutes to control and regulate all organizations, drilling, and parading of military bodies and associations, except those that are authorized by the militia laws of the United States.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Law enforcement had full warning he was going to do it back in May 2023, but they failed to arrest this kid, and the school failed to expel him:

“FBI Atlanta responded earlier today to Apalachee High School following reports of an active shooter. Throughout the day FBI personnel have been coordinating with and supporting local and state law enforcement. The FBI will dedicate all available resources, as requested, to seek justice and bring closure for the victims and their families.

In May 2023, the FBI's National Threat Operations Center received several anonymous tips about online threats to commit a school shooting at an unidentified location and time. The online threats contained photographs of guns. Within 24 hours, the FBI determined the online post originated in Georgia and the FBI's Atlanta Field Office referred the information to the Jackson County Sheriffs Office for action. The Jackson County Sheriffs' Office located a possible subject, a 13-year-old male, and interviewed him and his father. The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them. The subject denied making the threats online. Jackson County alerted local schools for continued monitoring of the subject. At that time, there was no probable cause for arrest or to take any additional law enforcement action on the local or federal level.”

Aren't they able to trace who posts what online?