Why was Michael Jackson not completely cancelled?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s bigger than a celebrity. He’s a legend. His music is/was too important to too many people to stop playing it.

He was clearly so messed up, too, I think people feel bad for him and assume that whatever did was a result of childhood trauma he experienced.

Even still the younger generations that didn’t grow up with him should be rejecting him.

Uh, they like the music too. All these years later, which shows you how great he was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same reason people still listen to Cardi B or Chris Brown or others who have done awful things. They compartmentalize the music / musician and the person.

I still listen to some MJ, it’s good music. I am not thinking about him as a person. Just enjoying the art. Just like I can enjoy a painting without knowing for sure that the artist was a person of integrity.

What did Cardi B do?

Exist while being black

She's not black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

Won’t cleared of charges means they found you not guilty. It’s not the same as innocent. See OJ Simpson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

Won’t cleared of charges means they found you not guilty. It’s not the same as innocent. See OJ Simpson.

Right. See the Kevin Spacey thread. Everyone on that thread and in real life has rejected him / finds him skeevy. But Woody Allen still has a thriving career.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

Won’t cleared of charges means they found you not guilty. It’s not the same
as innocent. See OJ Simpson.

He was investigated and cleared it wasn’t some rigged jury looking for revenge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

Won’t cleared of charges means they found you not guilty. It’s not the same as innocent. See OJ Simpson.

Right. See the Kevin Spacey thread. Everyone on that thread and in real life has rejected him / finds him skeevy. But Woody Allen still has a thriving career.

Because there’s nothing there but a jilted Mia egging her daughter on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

Won’t cleared of charges means they found you not guilty. It’s not the same
as innocent. See OJ Simpson.

He was investigated and cleared it wasn’t some rigged jury looking for revenge.

Have you looked back at that case?Jackson had many “special friends” which consisted of dozens of 10-13 year old boys. In evidence books of nude teens and preteens were found as well as nambla material. His lawyer discredited the witnesses by basically saying they were angry former employees or grifters. They never actually proved he didn’t touch them. I think it’s so in your face with Jackson anyone who can’t see this man almost certainly behaved inappropriately with children is just blinded by his music and fame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

I find the Woody Allen thing conflicting. Most of the negativity around him comes from Mia. Mia had plenty of her own problems. Several of her adopted kids are dead, several have accused her of abuse, and not all the kids support Dylan and her accusations against Allen. What is the truth? Nobody knows.

Doesn’t change Woody Allen’s grooming behavior. (Come on! He made it official with Soon Yi the minute she turned 18!)
And the “nobody knows” comment isn’t accurate. Dylan Farrow “knows” what he did to her and has been telling her story publicly for years.
Years.
People just dont want to “know” this about him so they pretend that she must have been coached by a disgruntled Mia AnD if Soon Yi is fine now as an adult, then it’s perfectly okay that he groomed her as a child and then married her as soon as she was an adult. it’s fine.

Same with Polanski. The accuser says she’s gotten past it and is fine now. Doesn’t change the fact that he, as a grown adult in a position of power over her potential career, drugged and had sex with her when she was 14.

People don’t like to admit when their idols are such flawed humans. Cognitive dissonance

Woody Allen not being “cancelled” bothers me more than MJ (who is deceased) or Polanski (who is irrelevant, to my knowledge). Woody Allen still makes blockbuster movies and still commands top actors in them - why do actors agree to be in his movies and why does anyone go to see them given what he’s done. I have lost a lot of respect for actors who continue to work with him (and there are so many!).

Because he was cleared of the charges and it was determined the child had likely been coached? Why should he be canceled based on innuendo? Also pedophiles never stop and in 25 year or so not a single other accusation or allegation against him.

Won’t cleared of charges means they found you not guilty. It’s not the same
as innocent. See OJ Simpson.

He was investigated and cleared it wasn’t some rigged jury looking for revenge.

Have you looked back at that case?Jackson had many “special friends” which consisted of dozens of 10-13 year old boys. In evidence books of nude teens and preteens were found as well as nambla material. His lawyer discredited the witnesses by basically saying they were angry former employees or grifters. They never actually proved he didn’t touch them. I think it’s so in your face with Jackson anyone who can’t see this man almost certainly behaved inappropriately with children is just blinded by his music and fame.

The above is about woody Allen's case not MJ. No similarities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He’s been deceased for a long time and we had the me too movement. No matter whether he did or didn’t sexually assault kids he had an inappropriate relationship with them. Why are people still fans/ his music regularly plays on the radio?

I have wondered the same thing OP.

[Anonymous]

The Kardashians went to Neverland as kids.

They think MJ didn’t do it

[Anonymous]

Michael Jackson had an immensely messed up childhood, probably worse than what is known by the general public. He said his hairs on the back of his hand would stand up when his father raised his voice. He wetted the bed and physically was knocked unconscious by his dad and saw his brothers face the same fate. Joe used to have a belt in his hand while watching the boys rehearse and rehearse over and over again. If they missed a step, he would whip them. Their rehearsal sessions were often interrupted as Joe took one of the boys to a back room to beat him senselessly.

Michael would sing at bars and seedy clubs around town from the age of 8 years old and he would watch as his father flirted and slept with other women. One time he told his mother and Joe beat him so bad he crapped his pants.

That’s just what is known. His father who was fairer skinned with green eyes also made fun of his looks and his wider nose and darker skin. He called him ugly.

When Michael was signed to Motown and finally got some money, he would buy candy and give it for free over in Gary Indiana so he can bribe people to be his friends and go to the park with him.

He had a really sad early life and no doubt he used dissociation and daydreaming that he was Peter Pan to escape his reality. Neverland is the name of the mythical place in Peter Pan. It should’ve been known he was mentally I’ll when he spent millions as an adult on a ranch and named it Neverland and tried to change his looks to become Peter Pan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michael Jackson had an immensely messed up childhood, probably worse than what is known by the general public. He said his hairs on the back of his hand would stand up when his father raised his voice. He wetted the bed and physically was knocked unconscious by his dad and saw his brothers face the same fate. Joe used to have a belt in his hand while watching the boys rehearse and rehearse over and over again. If they missed a step, he would whip them. Their rehearsal sessions were often interrupted as Joe took one of the boys to a back room to beat him senselessly.

Michael would sing at bars and seedy clubs around town from the age of 8 years old and he would watch as his father flirted and slept with other women. One time he told his mother and Joe beat him so bad he crapped his pants.

That’s just what is known. His father who was fairer skinned with green eyes also made fun of his looks and his wider nose and darker skin. He called him ugly.

When Michael was signed to Motown and finally got some money, he would buy candy and give it for free over in Gary Indiana so he can bribe people to be his friends and go to the park with him.

He had a really sad early life and no doubt he used dissociation and daydreaming that he was Peter Pan to escape his reality. Neverland is the name of the mythical place in Peter Pan. It should’ve been known he was mentally I’ll when he spent millions as an adult on a ranch and named it Neverland and tried to change his looks to become Peter Pan

That may be, but if he was molesting kids, I don’t really care. He shouldn’t get a pass because we like his music and his dad was mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michael Jackson had an immensely messed up childhood, probably worse than what is known by the general public. He said his hairs on the back of his hand would stand up when his father raised his voice. He wetted the bed and physically was knocked unconscious by his dad and saw his brothers face the same fate. Joe used to have a belt in his hand while watching the boys rehearse and rehearse over and over again. If they missed a step, he would whip them. Their rehearsal sessions were often interrupted as Joe took one of the boys to a back room to beat him senselessly.

Michael would sing at bars and seedy clubs around town from the age of 8 years old and he would watch as his father flirted and slept with other women. One time he told his mother and Joe beat him so bad he crapped his pants.

That’s just what is known. His father who was fairer skinned with green eyes also made fun of his looks and his wider nose and darker skin. He called him ugly.

When Michael was signed to Motown and finally got some money, he would buy candy and give it for free over in Gary Indiana so he can bribe people to be his friends and go to the park with him.

He had a really sad early life and no doubt he used dissociation and daydreaming that he was Peter Pan to escape his reality. Neverland is the name of the mythical place in Peter Pan. It should’ve been known he was mentally I’ll when he spent millions as an adult on a ranch and named it Neverland and tried to change his looks to become Peter Pan

That may be, but if he was molesting kids, I don’t really care. He shouldn’t get a pass because we like his music and his dad was mean.

But he very likely wasn’t molesting kids. He just wanted to still be a kid himself. He was mentally ill so he didn’t have normal, appropriate boundaries, and no awareness of how his behavior would look to others.