Yondr pouch pilot program at some MS

[Anonymous]

Once the phone goes into the pouch is it the property of the school or the student? Does this create legal issues regarding search and seizure?

[Anonymous]

Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

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Anonymous wrote:They should’ve just expelled the ones that couldn’t follow the rules last year instead of punishing an entire school and their families.

It isn’t punishment. All the kids benefit from this. Their mood, mental health, focus, efficacy, all improve when they don’t have easy access to their phones. The phone’s PHYSICAL PRESENCE increases anxiety, decreases ability to focus and is a distraction. When NOBODY has their phone, the kids talk to each other more. They look eachother in the face and engage. They laugh!! They can work in groups because everyone has some idea of what’s going on because 50% of the class wasn’t zoned out - that’s really hard right now because the kids paying attention don’t want to drag along the kids who weren’t, and it means they don’t collaborate as often as they need to.

Our kids deserve a world where they are not tied to the device. Having everyone be disconnected from them in a learning environment is a benefit, not a punishment.

Of course it’s a punishment. My kid doesn’t play with their cell phone in class. They have it available for emergencies only, and they know to leave class if they need to call me. They won’t be using a pouch that they can’t open. If they need access to me they will have it. I’m not punishing my child because other people’s kids don’t know how to act. If there was a student pay phone to use at the school they wouldn’t need a cell phone.

Curious, under what circumstance's do you think it is okay for a student to leave class to use their cell phone to call a parent? How often is it acceptable to do so?

Shouldn’t be more than a few times a year- if it can wait until they get home it’s not an emergency. I also expect them to wait between classes but if it’s an actual emergency they can contact me anytime.

I’d actually be ok with no phones in class if they had a magnet in each room to unlock when they leave class, if needed, but these people want no cell phone all day long with no way to unlock in class. Unacceptable.

DP, call never. Text, maybe once a month. More frequently after SOLs when the want to be picked up early

So yes, as we can predict, EVERY parent believes *their* kid isn’t the one for whom the phone is the issue even though, for about 70% of kids it’s a huge issue. Needing to contact your parent to be picked up early after the SOL isn’t an emergency. They could - omg- just stay at school if they can’t text you the second they’re bored and be escorted home with haste.

Sorry my kid doesn't like sitting bored in class for two weeks while teachers struggle to teacher kids who don't care a years worth of material. If the teachers would bother to teach, we'd make them stay. Since the teachers prefer to stick kids on lexia or tell them to read a book once they complete lexia, we feel no need for them to be present

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You’re just as much of baby as the kids are about their phones.

This is hilarious. My kids need their phones for emergencies. Emergencies include being bored because there is not a lot of learning in May. :roll:

Learning to do necessary things - like staying in school - is as much a life lesson as math. What is so important that your kid going to be doing at home that they couldn't be doing at school? Playing video games?

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Anonymous wrote:They should’ve just expelled the ones that couldn’t follow the rules last year instead of punishing an entire school and their families.

It isn’t punishment. All the kids benefit from this. Their mood, mental health, focus, efficacy, all improve when they don’t have easy access to their phones. The phone’s PHYSICAL PRESENCE increases anxiety, decreases ability to focus and is a distraction. When NOBODY has their phone, the kids talk to each other more. They look eachother in the face and engage. They laugh!! They can work in groups because everyone has some idea of what’s going on because 50% of the class wasn’t zoned out - that’s really hard right now because the kids paying attention don’t want to drag along the kids who weren’t, and it means they don’t collaborate as often as they need to.

Our kids deserve a world where they are not tied to the device. Having everyone be disconnected from them in a learning environment is a benefit, not a punishment.

Of course it’s a punishment. My kid doesn’t play with their cell phone in class. They have it available for emergencies only, and they know to leave class if they need to call me. They won’t be using a pouch that they can’t open. If they need access to me they will have it. I’m not punishing my child because other people’s kids don’t know how to act. If there was a student pay phone to use at the school they wouldn’t need a cell phone.

Curious, under what circumstance's do you think it is okay for a student to leave class to use their cell phone to call a parent? How often is it acceptable to do so?

Shouldn’t be more than a few times a year- if it can wait until they get home it’s not an emergency. I also expect them to wait between classes but if it’s an actual emergency they can contact me anytime.

I’d actually be ok with no phones in class if they had a magnet in each room to unlock when they leave class, if needed, but these people want no cell phone all day long with no way to unlock in class. Unacceptable.

DP, call never. Text, maybe once a month. More frequently after SOLs when the want to be picked up early

So yes, as we can predict, EVERY parent believes *their* kid isn’t the one for whom the phone is the issue even though, for about 70% of kids it’s a huge issue. Needing to contact your parent to be picked up early after the SOL isn’t an emergency. They could - omg- just stay at school if they can’t text you the second they’re bored and be escorted home with haste.

Sorry my kid doesn't like sitting bored in class for two weeks while teachers struggle to teacher kids who don't care a years worth of material. If the teachers would bother to teach, we'd make them stay. Since the teachers prefer to stick kids on lexia or tell them to read a book once they complete lexia, we feel no need for them to be present

Blah blah blah

You’re just as much of baby as the kids are about their phones.

This is hilarious. My kids need their phones for emergencies. Emergencies include being bored because there is not a lot of learning in May. :roll:

Learning to do necessary things - like staying in school - is as much a life lesson as math. What is so important that your kid going to be doing at home that they couldn't be doing at school? Playing video games?

PP here and I was making fun of the people saying their kids need their phones for "emergencies" and then noted it might be once a month or "more during SOLs when they want to get picked up early" due to boredom. I'd never pick my kid up early because they were "bored."

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Anonymous wrote:They should’ve just expelled the ones that couldn’t follow the rules last year instead of punishing an entire school and their families.

It isn’t punishment. All the kids benefit from this. Their mood, mental health, focus, efficacy, all improve when they don’t have easy access to their phones. The phone’s PHYSICAL PRESENCE increases anxiety, decreases ability to focus and is a distraction. When NOBODY has their phone, the kids talk to each other more. They look eachother in the face and engage. They laugh!! They can work in groups because everyone has some idea of what’s going on because 50% of the class wasn’t zoned out - that’s really hard right now because the kids paying attention don’t want to drag along the kids who weren’t, and it means they don’t collaborate as often as they need to.

Our kids deserve a world where they are not tied to the device. Having everyone be disconnected from them in a learning environment is a benefit, not a punishment.

Of course it’s a punishment. My kid doesn’t play with their cell phone in class. They have it available for emergencies only, and they know to leave class if they need to call me. They won’t be using a pouch that they can’t open. If they need access to me they will have it. I’m not punishing my child because other people’s kids don’t know how to act. If there was a student pay phone to use at the school they wouldn’t need a cell phone.

Ah, sorry! I think it's crazy that people pick their kids up early because the kids want to go home!

Curious, under what circumstance's do you think it is okay for a student to leave class to use their cell phone to call a parent? How often is it acceptable to do so?

Shouldn’t be more than a few times a year- if it can wait until they get home it’s not an emergency. I also expect them to wait between classes but if it’s an actual emergency they can contact me anytime.

I’d actually be ok with no phones in class if they had a magnet in each room to unlock when they leave class, if needed, but these people want no cell phone all day long with no way to unlock in class. Unacceptable.

DP, call never. Text, maybe once a month. More frequently after SOLs when the want to be picked up early

So yes, as we can predict, EVERY parent believes *their* kid isn’t the one for whom the phone is the issue even though, for about 70% of kids it’s a huge issue. Needing to contact your parent to be picked up early after the SOL isn’t an emergency. They could - omg- just stay at school if they can’t text you the second they’re bored and be escorted home with haste.

Sorry my kid doesn't like sitting bored in class for two weeks while teachers struggle to teacher kids who don't care a years worth of material. If the teachers would bother to teach, we'd make them stay. Since the teachers prefer to stick kids on lexia or tell them to read a book once they complete lexia, we feel no need for them to be present

Blah blah blah

You’re just as much of baby as the kids are about their phones.

This is hilarious. My kids need their phones for emergencies. Emergencies include being bored because there is not a lot of learning in May. :roll:

Learning to do necessary things - like staying in school - is as much a life lesson as math. What is so important that your kid going to be doing at home that they couldn't be doing at school? Playing video games?

PP here and I was making fun of the people saying their kids need their phones for "emergencies" and then noted it might be once a month or "more during SOLs when they want to get picked up early" due to boredom. I'd never pick my kid up early because they were "bored."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should’ve just expelled the ones that couldn’t follow the rules last year instead of punishing an entire school and their families.

It isn’t punishment. All the kids benefit from this. Their mood, mental health, focus, efficacy, all improve when they don’t have easy access to their phones. The phone’s PHYSICAL PRESENCE increases anxiety, decreases ability to focus and is a distraction. When NOBODY has their phone, the kids talk to each other more. They look eachother in the face and engage. They laugh!! They can work in groups because everyone has some idea of what’s going on because 50% of the class wasn’t zoned out - that’s really hard right now because the kids paying attention don’t want to drag along the kids who weren’t, and it means they don’t collaborate as often as they need to.

Our kids deserve a world where they are not tied to the device. Having everyone be disconnected from them in a learning environment is a benefit, not a punishment.

Of course it’s a punishment. My kid doesn’t play with their cell phone in class. They have it available for emergencies only, and they know to leave class if they need to call me. They won’t be using a pouch that they can’t open. If they need access to me they will have it. I’m not punishing my child because other people’s kids don’t know how to act. If there was a student pay phone to use at the school they wouldn’t need a cell phone.

+1 this exactly. My kid is not going to store their phone in a pouch that they then have to scramble to unlock quickly at the end of the day and then potentially miss their bus. My kid doesn’t play with their phone in class. My kid is more likely to be doing a game on the laptop or watching YouTube on the laptop. How about we get rid of the godd@mn kaptops?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should’ve just expelled the ones that couldn’t follow the rules last year instead of punishing an entire school and their families.

It isn’t punishment. All the kids benefit from this. Their mood, mental health, focus, efficacy, all improve when they don’t have easy access to their phones. The phone’s PHYSICAL PRESENCE increases anxiety, decreases ability to focus and is a distraction. When NOBODY has their phone, the kids talk to each other more. They look eachother in the face and engage. They laugh!! They can work in groups because everyone has some idea of what’s going on because 50% of the class wasn’t zoned out - that’s really hard right now because the kids paying attention don’t want to drag along the kids who weren’t, and it means they don’t collaborate as often as they need to.

Our kids deserve a world where they are not tied to the device. Having everyone be disconnected from them in a learning environment is a benefit, not a punishment.

Of course it’s a punishment. My kid doesn’t play with their cell phone in class. They have it available for emergencies only, and they know to leave class if they need to call me. They won’t be using a pouch that they can’t open. If they need access to me they will have it. I’m not punishing my child because other people’s kids don’t know how to act. If there was a student pay phone to use at the school they wouldn’t need a cell phone.

+1 this exactly. My kid is not going to store their phone in a pouch that they then have to scramble to unlock quickly at the end of the day and then potentially miss their bus. My kid doesn’t play with their phone in class. My kid is more likely to be doing a game on the laptop or watching YouTube on the laptop. How about we get rid of the godd@mn kaptops?

Yes!! YONDER THE LAPTOPS!!

[Anonymous]

This “pilot” will be a disaster on multiple levels. However they won’t spin it as a disaster because someone WANTS to buy more Yondr.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should’ve just expelled the ones that couldn’t follow the rules last year instead of punishing an entire school and their families.

It isn’t punishment. All the kids benefit from this. Their mood, mental health, focus, efficacy, all improve when they don’t have easy access to their phones. The phone’s PHYSICAL PRESENCE increases anxiety, decreases ability to focus and is a distraction. When NOBODY has their phone, the kids talk to each other more. They look eachother in the face and engage. They laugh!! They can work in groups because everyone has some idea of what’s going on because 50% of the class wasn’t zoned out - that’s really hard right now because the kids paying attention don’t want to drag along the kids who weren’t, and it means they don’t collaborate as often as they need to.

Our kids deserve a world where they are not tied to the device. Having everyone be disconnected from them in a learning environment is a benefit, not a punishment.

Of course it’s a punishment. My kid doesn’t play with their cell phone in class. They have it available for emergencies only, and they know to leave class if they need to call me. They won’t be using a pouch that they can’t open. If they need access to me they will have it. I’m not punishing my child because other people’s kids don’t know how to act. If there was a student pay phone to use at the school they wouldn’t need a cell phone.

+1 this exactly. My kid is not going to store their phone in a pouch that they then have to scramble to unlock quickly at the end of the day and then potentially miss their bus. My kid doesn’t play with their phone in class. My kid is more likely to be doing a game on the laptop or watching YouTube on the laptop. How about we get rid of the godd@mn kaptops?

Parents crashing out harder than children at the concept their kid might not have the phone on them at all times. Wild, just wild.

[Anonymous]

Hey FCPS, what % of students actually use their phones at times they shouldn’t? Certainly you have that information since you’re implementing pilot programs to decrease it…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I understand the premise but with a school shooting being a real possibility, I want my child to have access to their phone at all times. Have the kids put their phones in a basket at the beginning of class and get it when they leave. Seems like a simpler solution.

What is a cell phone going to do to help your student during a school shooting? Cell phones only complicate crises when students flood the community with false information through texts and social media.

They can reach me and/or police to alert of an active shooter. I can also contact them to see if they are alive and to say I love you before they get shot and die. Perfectly valid reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I understand the premise but with a school shooting being a real possibility, I want my child to have access to their phone at all times. Have the kids put their phones in a basket at the beginning of class and get it when they leave. Seems like a simpler solution.

What is a cell phone going to do to help your student during a school shooting? Cell phones only complicate crises when students flood the community with false information through texts and social media.

They can reach me and/or police to alert of an active shooter. I can also contact them to see if they are alive and to say I love you before they get shot and die. Perfectly valid reasons.

Yeah sure, this is way more likely than them just getting distracted by the phone every single day in class . School shootings are actually quite rare. And I’m a teacher so I’m just as at risk as your kid should one come to pass but that is very, very unlikely. We have to actually focus on real learning 10 months a year for thousands of kids in the building, not the one extreme outlier event exception that will almost certainly never happen.