I’m not a big “don’t recline” person, but …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’1…..

But I also have a herniated disk in my back and had surgery not too long ago. Sitting for that long is torture. Reclining helps a lot.

Don’t judge me for my height.

I’m 5’11”, I had the same surgery, and I’m sitting behind you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

I don’t think they’re a martyr at all. But as evidenced by the many posts there are a lot of people who feel that reclining is rude. PP is clearly one of them. The recliners have a different opinion on the subject. Lately there are lots of threads that highlight behaviors some think are rude and some think are totally fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

To add, it's not my (or that poster's) responsibly to do for someone else what they can do for themselves or to protect them from the consequences of their own choices. They could have upgraded their seat, not traveled, etc.

I think what people call politeness goes too far into martyrdom when you are trying to "fix" things like this for other people by making yourself have a worse time. It's essentially making yourself unequal to them. I'm not saying intentionally be rude. I'm just saying that not everything that affects someone else is by definition rude. Why can't someone recline if that makes their experience better and it just be deemed neutral and not selfish or less polite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’1…..

But I also have a herniated disk in my back and had surgery not too long ago. Sitting for that long is torture. Reclining helps a lot.

Don’t judge me for my height.

I’m 5’11”, I had the same surgery, and I’m sitting behind you.

The recline button is on the left. Press it and enjoy.

[Anonymous]

This thread and the one from just last week continue to show that there will always be those who recline and those who don’t. Period. Both feel strongly and neither will change their opinion.

[Anonymous]

I am a tall (5’10”) thin woman with back issues. Reclining helps a little but I never do on flights unless the person in front of me does, because I know how uncomfortable it is to have the seat in front of you shoved in your face. Even if the seat in front of me reclines, I always recline mine the minimal amount to let me use my tray. I wouldn’t recline the full way unless I really have to.

I dont mind when people recline some, but I kind of agree with the OP, if you don’t have to recline the entire way, it’s polite not to, because you know it makes the person behind you miserable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a tall (5’10”) thin woman with back issues. Reclining helps a little but I never do on flights unless the person in front of me does, because I know how uncomfortable it is to have the seat in front of you shoved in your face. Even if the seat in front of me reclines, I always recline mine the minimal amount to let me use my tray. I wouldn’t recline the full way unless I really have to.

I dont mind when people recline some, but I kind of agree with the OP, if you don’t have to recline the entire way, it’s polite not to, because you know it makes the person behind you miserable.

The seat reclines two inches max. What you are complaining about is a one inch difference. This is why people can’t take your seriously. Also, no one notices that you’re being a martyr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a tall (5’10”) thin woman with back issues. Reclining helps a little but I never do on flights unless the person in front of me does, because I know how uncomfortable it is to have the seat in front of you shoved in your face. Even if the seat in front of me reclines, I always recline mine the minimal amount to let me use my tray. I wouldn’t recline the full way unless I really have to.

I dont mind when people recline some, but I kind of agree with the OP, if you don’t have to recline the entire way, it’s polite not to, because you know it makes the person behind you miserable.

The seat reclines two inches max. What you are complaining about is a one inch difference. This is why people can’t take your seriously. Also, no one notices that you’re being a martyr.

You keep quoting the two inches max yet you fail to mention that most airlines have also reduced the space between rows by up to 5 inches. So your only two inches has much more impact on an already tight space.

[Anonymous]

NP here. I'm petite and I almost always recline if it's over 3 hours. It honestly never, ever would have occurred to me before this thread that anyone would consider this "rude" or "low class." LOL! Like many have said, the seat barely reclines and there is so little room these days anyway, so we're all gonna be uncomfortable regardless. Why not make it at least a tiny bit more comfortable? I don't mind when the person in front of me reclines, either. In fact, if there are screens on the back of the seat, the person reclining in front of me actually brings the screen to a better viewing angle for me because I am so short!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a tall (5’10”) thin woman with back issues. Reclining helps a little but I never do on flights unless the person in front of me does, because I know how uncomfortable it is to have the seat in front of you shoved in your face. Even if the seat in front of me reclines, I always recline mine the minimal amount to let me use my tray. I wouldn’t recline the full way unless I really have to.

I dont mind when people recline some, but I kind of agree with the OP, if you don’t have to recline the entire way, it’s polite not to, because you know it makes the person behind you miserable.

The seat reclines two inches max. What you are complaining about is a one inch difference. This is why people can’t take your seriously. Also, no one notices that you’re being a martyr.

You keep quoting the two inches max yet you fail to mention that most airlines have also reduced the space between rows by up to 5 inches. So your only two inches has much more impact on an already tight space.

Then complain to the airline or drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

Yeah. Once I got to the “I’m more considerate” line I knew that PP had issues. Can’t take martyrs like that seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

To add, it's not my (or that poster's) responsibly to do for someone else what they can do for themselves or to protect them from the consequences of their own choices. They could have upgraded their seat, not traveled, etc.

I think what people call politeness goes too far into martyrdom when you are trying to "fix" things like this for other people by making yourself have a worse time. It's essentially making yourself unequal to them. I'm not saying intentionally be rude. I'm just saying that not everything that affects someone else is by definition rude. Why can't someone recline if that makes their experience better and it just be deemed neutral and not selfish or less polite?

because by making yourself comfortable you are inconveniencing someone else. this is fundamental to sharing public space. you don’t take up more space than you are entitled to pursuant to social norms. social norms are absolutely now that you only recline if it’s a night flight and time to sleep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread and the one from just last week continue to show that there will always be those who recline and those who don’t. Period. Both feel strongly and neither will change their opinion.

Next time you are on a short haul flight at 11am look around. You’ll see that nobody is reclining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

To add, it's not my (or that poster's) responsibly to do for someone else what they can do for themselves or to protect them from the consequences of their own choices. They could have upgraded their seat, not traveled, etc.

I think what people call politeness goes too far into martyrdom when you are trying to "fix" things like this for other people by making yourself have a worse time. It's essentially making yourself unequal to them. I'm not saying intentionally be rude. I'm just saying that not everything that affects someone else is by definition rude. Why can't someone recline if that makes their experience better and it just be deemed neutral and not selfish or less polite?

because by making yourself comfortable you are inconveniencing someone else. this is fundamental to sharing public space. you don’t take up more space than you are entitled to pursuant to social norms. social norms are absolutely now that you only recline if it’s a night flight and time to sleep.

The reclined feature is available to everyone. It’s literally an entitlement as part of your ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

To add, it's not my (or that poster's) responsibly to do for someone else what they can do for themselves or to protect them from the consequences of their own choices. They could have upgraded their seat, not traveled, etc.

I think what people call politeness goes too far into martyrdom when you are trying to "fix" things like this for other people by making yourself have a worse time. It's essentially making yourself unequal to them. I'm not saying intentionally be rude. I'm just saying that not everything that affects someone else is by definition rude. Why can't someone recline if that makes their experience better and it just be deemed neutral and not selfish or less polite?

because by making yourself comfortable you are inconveniencing someone else. this is fundamental to sharing public space. you don’t take up more space than you are entitled to pursuant to social norms. social norms are absolutely now that you only recline if it’s a night flight and time to sleep.

This social norm as you call it is entirely constructed in your head. The seat reclines. Therefore I am entitled to that space. You can complain if I try to sit on your lap. That would be a no, no.