Was UM, UVA, and UW Madison considered more “prestigious” back in the day?

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Anonymous wrote:In the 1960s, Michigan and Wisconsin were prestigious. Not sure about UVA. Oddly we hear little about it in historic accounts of the campus activism of that time.

UVA was still all-male in the 1960s. They would have been quite different types of schools then.

Wait, what? UVA didn't admit women in the 1960's??? This alone should disqualify it from prestigious lists, are you serious???

Are you familiar with the Ivy League's teack record?

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2021/03/21/history-women-higher-education/#:~:text=Eventually%2C%20Princeton%20and%20Yale%20began,not%20admit%20women%20until%201983.

Good point... Sorry, I'm from UW-Madison, which people are trashing on here, and while also has admitted women since the 1860s, so it just wasn't even in my frame of reference that these prestigious schools would have been so backward. I'll take my "OK" State School, thanks

Well said!

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Anonymous wrote:In the 1960s, Michigan and Wisconsin were prestigious. Not sure about UVA. Oddly we hear little about it in historic accounts of the campus activism of that time.

UVA was still all-male in the 1960s. They would have been quite different types of schools then.

Wait, what? UVA didn't admit women in the 1960's??? This alone should disqualify it from prestigious lists, are you serious???

Are you familiar with the Ivy League's teack record?

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2021/03/21/history-women-higher-education/#:~:text=Eventually%2C%20Princeton%20and%20Yale%20began,not%20admit%20women%20until%201983.

Good point... Sorry, I'm from UW-Madison, which people are trashing on here, and while also has admitted women since the 1860s, so it just wasn't even in my frame of reference that these prestigious schools would have been so backward. I'll take my "OK" State School, thanks

Fellow Badger here. I am proud that UW-Madison began officially admitting women in 1863, over 100 years before Harvard and Princeton. Our school school could teach those Ivy League hypocrites a thing or two.

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Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

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Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

But it does - it generous with financial aid for in-state students. W&M guarantees scholarship aid that covers at least the cost of tuition and fees for in-state Pell Grant eligible students. It is one of the lowest cost in Virginia for students with family incomes under $110K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

But it does - it generous with financial aid for in-state students. W&M guarantees scholarship aid that covers at least the cost of tuition and fees for in-state Pell Grant eligible students. It is one of the lowest cost in Virginia for students with family incomes under $110K.

You're missing the bigger picture. More Pell kids need to be admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

But it does - it generous with financial aid for in-state students. W&M guarantees scholarship aid that covers at least the cost of tuition and fees for in-state Pell Grant eligible students. It is one of the lowest cost in Virginia for students with family incomes under $110K.

You're missing the bigger picture. More Pell kids need to be admitted.

No, I got that. I suspect they are trying to get more Pell kids to apply with generous grant aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the 1960s, Michigan and Wisconsin were prestigious. Not sure about UVA. Oddly we hear little about it in historic accounts of the campus activism of that time.

UVA was still all-male in the 1960s. They would have been quite different types of schools then.

Wait, what? UVA didn't admit women in the 1960's??? This alone should disqualify it from prestigious lists, are you serious???

None of the Ivies admitted womn back then with the exception of Cornell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the 1960s, Michigan and Wisconsin were prestigious. Not sure about UVA. Oddly we hear little about it in historic accounts of the campus activism of that time.

UVA was still all-male in the 1960s. They would have been quite different types of schools then.

Wait, what? UVA didn't admit women in the 1960's??? This alone should disqualify it from prestigious lists, are you serious???

None of the Ivies admitted womn back then with the exception of Cornell

Cornell and Penn both did

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

But it does - it generous with financial aid for in-state students. W&M guarantees scholarship aid that covers at least the cost of tuition and fees for in-state Pell Grant eligible students. It is one of the lowest cost in Virginia for students with family incomes under $110K.

You're missing the bigger picture. More Pell kids need to be admitted.

No, I got that. I suspect they are trying to get more Pell kids to apply with generous grant aid.

With the changes in how USNWR ranks colleges, this really is an awesome time to be a Pell Grant student. Not being whatever whatever. But if you are Pell Grant eligible and ambitious, now is the the time to go for it with T10 colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

But it does - it generous with financial aid for in-state students. W&M guarantees scholarship aid that covers at least the cost of tuition and fees for in-state Pell Grant eligible students. It is one of the lowest cost in Virginia for students with family incomes under $110K.

You're missing the bigger picture. More Pell kids need to be admitted.

No, I got that. I suspect they are trying to get more Pell kids to apply with generous grant aid.

Plenty of Pell kids are in applicant pools. Admitting more could mean taking lower test scores/GPA being that poor students don't have money for tutoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my expensive and high performing private school in the 1990s, Michigan, Madison and UVA were all well-regarded OOS flagships. These three and Berkeley were the only respectable public schools that carried the same oomph as the lower T25 private universities.

Don't recall much interest in UCLA.

There were a number of schools significantly moe selective from OOS than Wisconsin, including UNC and William and Mary.

Sadly W&M's ranking has taken a hit. More Pell students are needed to boost rankings.

It isn't just Pell, USNWR removed alumni giving rate and class size from its ratings and lowered student faculty ratio. W&M was close or at the top in all three of those categories among national public universities.

Times have changed. Colleges need to adapt and do more for Pell students if they care about the ranking.

But it does - it generous with financial aid for in-state students. W&M guarantees scholarship aid that covers at least the cost of tuition and fees for in-state Pell Grant eligible students. It is one of the lowest cost in Virginia for students with family incomes under $110K.

You're missing the bigger picture. More Pell kids need to be admitted.

No, I got that. I suspect they are trying to get more Pell kids to apply with generous grant aid.

With the changes in how USNWR ranks colleges, this really is an awesome time to be a Pell Grant student. Not being whatever whatever. But if you are Pell Grant eligible and ambitious, now is the the time to go for it with T10 colleges.

You think it's an awesome time to live in a household making less than 30k?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the 1960s, Michigan and Wisconsin were prestigious. Not sure about UVA. Oddly we hear little about it in historic accounts of the campus activism of that time.

UVA was still all-male in the 1960s. They would have been quite different types of schools then.

Wait, what? UVA didn't admit women in the 1960's??? This alone should disqualify it from prestigious lists, are you serious???

None of the Ivies admitted womn back then with the exception of Cornell

Columbia didn’t admit women until 1983! The irony.