Word of caution for aspiring CS majors

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

How much of this is due to social connections from your parents? just curious

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just returned from a college reunion, and my friends' kids who majored in CS and graduated last year and this year are all un- or under-employed. It seems pretty obvious to me that low-level CS jobs are the first to be gobbled up by AI. If you go to a top school, it truly does not matter what you major in. Most of those kids who want top jobs in tech, finance, consulting will get them. Majoring in something skill-based is more important if you attend even a slightly lower-ranked school. This is why people work so hard to secure spots in the Ivy-plus schools.

Most low level IT jobs have been offshored for a while. But, yea, most grads from T20 CS schools will be ok. Maybe not the $150K starting salary with $80K bonus, ok, but they will get something decent that pays more than most humanities majors.

CS majors are not applying for low level IT jobs. CS is not IT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

I believe you and your spouse are in the minority there. Most people, even those without humanities degrees, are not in the .1%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

How much of this is due to social connections from your parents? just curious

None. Zero. All of the connections were from the school. It open doors like I could never of imagined.
I’m first generation American. My parents immigrated from Asia….
Spouse family middle class American. No connections at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

I believe you and your spouse are in the minority there. Most people, even those without humanities degrees, are not in the .1%

I would say it isn’t the humanities major that made us. It was the school.

And the connections from that school which open doors and continue to open doors to this day.

[Anonymous]

The love affair with liberal arts seems very socially exclusive, quite frankly it seems to perpetuate the European (and white) "good old times"...PS I am white and don't like the tone of this-it seems racist quite frankly, and no I am not woke. The most bizarre thing is that most people on this board are very left leaning and claim to be race blind....but then they go off on immigrants (most are not white BTW), is it afear of loosing societies special place(from the past)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a big proponent of liberal arts education, but I think it is also important to build skills. It's not solely about what you major in but about the skills you bring to the table. I'd encourage humanities majors to learn to code, read financial statements, learn to put together a business plan.

FWIW, CS majors are not 'learning to code" any more than English majors are learning to speak English.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

I believe you and your spouse are in the minority there. Most people, even those without humanities degrees, are not in the .1%

I would say it isn’t the humanities major that made us. It was the school.

And the connections from that school which open doors and continue to open doors to this day.

Correct-so it is connections , and the connections you made are to poeple with strong family connections--so its what i said with just one degree of separation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

This is pure unadulterated nonsense.

STEM majors have 30% or more of their course work in history, arts and humanities in college. It is the humanities majors who end up having a very narrow education.

How many courses do you need in history, arts and humanities? Do you need to major in history to understand world history?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

I believe you and your spouse are in the minority there. Most people, even those without humanities degrees, are not in the .1%

I would say it isn’t the humanities major that made us. It was the school.

And the connections from that school which open doors and continue to open doors to this day.

Correct-so it is connections , and the connections you made are to poeple with strong family connections--so it’s what i said with just one degree of separation.

Except it’s not my family connections. It’s people I met on my own in and after college.

The college opened the doors. My parents knew no one. And still know no one. Our families could not help us, so we needed someone else who could.

And it was in the form of the elite institution, the school, who provided the network that continues to work today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

That much in income and you're on DCUM?

Yeah....right. And I'm Elon Musk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

This is pure unadulterated nonsense.

STEM majors have 30% or more of their course work in history, arts and humanities in college. It is the humanities majors who end up having a very narrow education.

How many courses do you need in history, arts and humanities? Do you need to major in history to understand world history?

NP. In my experience, most people don't even understand how to understand history much less have any actual understanding of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

That much in income and you're on DCUM?

Yeah....right. And I'm Elon Musk.

You’d be surprised….and I’m not even in DC!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

I believe you and your spouse are in the minority there. Most people, even those without humanities degrees, are not in the .1%

I would say it isn’t the humanities major that made us. It was the school.

And the connections from that school which open doors and continue to open doors to this day.

Correct-so it is connections , and the connections you made are to poeple with strong family connections--so it’s what i said with just one degree of separation.

Except it’s not my family connections. It’s people I met on my own in and after college.

The college opened the doors. My parents knew no one. And still know no one. Our families could not help us, so we needed someone else who could.

And it was in the form of the elite institution, the school, who provided the network that continues to work today.

This isnt unique to Ivys--most everything is about connections, some can find them at GMU and some wont even at Harvard--it has a lot to do with personality, proximity plays a part I will agree, usually this is called social striving-not everyone can do it nor wants to do it. I am not judging-enjoy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can.

Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue…..

Ask around people!!!

This. College is not trade school, despite the pervasive and lingering lower middle class belief to the contrary.

This is 2024, not 1954, despite how some elite people want to think it is. College is no longer about a liberal art education, and then get some job because you have a degree. That's 1954 thinking. This is not how it works today, in 2024.

As thé decades pass, the liberal arts majors will have a better understanding of the world and how it works that the person who is not interested in anything that isn’t tech or tech-related. The non liberal arts major won’t even realize what they can’t understand because of their lack of knowledge of history, arts, and humanities. Old age will be difficult for them because they just. won’t. get. it.

That's your imagination.
The employers who actually pay don't agree with your imagination.
The employers who pay are the ones matter.

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine.

Note my spouse and I both graduated with humanities majors from a T10 university.

Our combined annual income averages between $4.5-6million a year.
We are definitely not alone.

Lawyers?