SAT 1600 Score, CS Major

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly your kid’s biggest problem will probably be that they’re coming from TJ. They need to knock their application questions out of the park.

This. No college will have unlimited opening for students from any HS. So a qualified student will always partly be competing against other students from the same HS for the N admissions slots that a particular college will allocate. Yes, TJ probably has an N greater than say Robinson, but TJ is filled to the brim with qualified students many of whom will have a bunch of quality ECs and other non-test/non-GPA differentiators.

Agreed with this. TJ kids all have really high SAT/ACT and high weighted GPA. To stand out in TJ, WGPA needs to be higher than 4.5 with SAT 1550+. GPA is far more important than SAT. My NMF kid has high SAT but 4.3<WGPA<4.4 was rejected by UVA and all top 20s, even with 2 publications in peer reviewed journals. Quite depressing.

Should’ve switched them to a less stressful public school environment and obviously they would be #1

I don't think that's the slam dunk you think is either. At least the magnet programs have solid CS programs which leaves UMD as an option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. I don't care how pro- affirmative action you are... any parent should have empathy for a kid who worked their butt off and knows their results would be better if they were a different race. If you don't, you're a POS.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the trolls. I don't care how pro- affirmative action you are... any parent should have empathy for a kid who worked their butt off and knows their results would be better if they were a different race. If you don't, you're a POS.

Empathy and grievance are two different things.

As soon as "white/asian male" is invoked, we know where this is going. No one else brought up race or ethnicity.

Stop it and move on. Kid was rejected. It happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly your kid’s biggest problem will probably be that they’re coming from TJ. They need to knock their application questions out of the park.

This. No college will have unlimited opening for students from any HS. So a qualified student will always partly be competing against other students from the same HS for the N admissions slots that a particular college will allocate. Yes, TJ probably has an N greater than say Robinson, but TJ is filled to the brim with qualified students many of whom will have a bunch of quality ECs and other non-test/non-GPA differentiators.

Agreed with this. TJ kids all have really high SAT/ACT and high weighted GPA. To stand out in TJ, WGPA needs to be higher than 4.5 with SAT 1550+. GPA is far more important than SAT. My NMF kid has high SAT but 4.3<WGPA<4.4 was rejected by UVA and all top 20s, even with 2 publications in peer reviewed journals. Quite depressing.

Should’ve switched them to a less stressful public school environment and obviously they would be #1

Well, a 4.3-4.4 today is kind of like 3.3-3.4 prior to the grade inflation which sadly comes up short

This is from TJ, no grade inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS magnet, 1580 SAT, 4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa

UMD with merit.

Denied at MIT, CMU, etc.. WL at UMich, ultimately decided not interested after getting off the wl.

It's brutal, especially if you are a white/asian male.

+1. So true.

Breaking news: affirmative action is over

Move on

No, check the box is over.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind regarding TJ applicants is that all these talks about WGPA>4.4+ and SAT>1550 is for the current and past 2 years senior classes. The cohort and distribution of WGPA will be different for the next year senior class since they were admitted under the new system and the composition of courses they are currently taking is different from the current senior class. So no one knows the WGPA necessary to get into UVA. For the current senior class if you have high unweighted GPA but low weighted GPA (4.2ish), which perhaps shows a lack of rigor comparatively, UVA may admit for the Wise campus.

Not only that, but if you are banking on UMD for CS, don't. It's getting tougher to get into UMD for CS.

They cut the class size down to I think 700 -- 600 direct admit, and 100 transfer, and I think most will be from MoCo CC. It will be almost impossible to transfer into UMD CS within UMD or from other 4 yr universities.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1168132.page

No argument with the difficulty getting into UMD CS, but don't think it's the TJ kids that weren't directly admitted. It's all the others placed in L&S that will now be virtually impossible.

This year many TJ kids were not direct admitted to CS and were admitted to L&S when they wanted CS

How do you obtain admission information from "many" kids? That's strange because there are 100 addional CS direct admits than last year. The restrictions are students coming over from L&S.

TJ has an internal website where students post their stats, major, applications, and decisions. Of my DCs immediate friend group, sample size.of 5:
1 got rejected at UMD,
2 got L&S, but wanted CS
1 got in CS

There are others, but in this case 20% CS admit rate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing to keep in mind regarding TJ applicants is that all these talks about WGPA>4.4+ and SAT>1550 is for the current and past 2 years senior classes. The cohort and distribution of WGPA will be different for the next year senior class since they were admitted under the new system and the composition of courses they are currently taking is different from the current senior class. So no one knows the WGPA necessary to get into UVA. For the current senior class if you have high unweighted GPA but low weighted GPA (4.2ish), which perhaps shows a lack of rigor comparatively, UVA may admit for the Wise campus.

Not only that, but if you are banking on UMD for CS, don't. It's getting tougher to get into UMD for CS.

They cut the class size down to I think 700 -- 600 direct admit, and 100 transfer, and I think most will be from MoCo CC. It will be almost impossible to transfer into UMD CS within UMD or from other 4 yr universities.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1168132.page

No argument with the difficulty getting into UMD CS, but don't think it's the TJ kids that weren't directly admitted. It's all the others placed in L&S that will now be virtually impossible.

This year many TJ kids were not direct admitted to CS and were admitted to L&S when they wanted CS

How do you obtain admission information from "many" kids? That's strange because there are 100 addional CS direct admits than last year. The restrictions are students coming over from L&S.

TJ has an internal website where students post their stats, major, applications, and decisions. Of my DCs immediate friend group, sample size.of 5:
1 got rejected at UMD,
2 got L&S, but wanted CS
1 got in CS

There are others, but in this case 20% CS admit rate.

PP. Appreciate the info. Thank you. I'm shocked. My son got direct admit from non TJ FCPS last year. Sounds significantly more difficult this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS magnet, 1580 SAT, 4.0 uwgpa, 4.92 wgpa

UMD with merit.

Denied at MIT, CMU, etc.. WL at UMich, ultimately decided not interested after getting off the wl.

It's brutal, especially if you are a white/asian male.

+1. So true.

Breaking news: affirmative action is over

Move on

No, check the box is over.

The new excuse for those that get rejected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly your kid’s biggest problem will probably be that they’re coming from TJ. They need to knock their application questions out of the park.

This. No college will have unlimited opening for students from any HS. So a qualified student will always partly be competing against other students from the same HS for the N admissions slots that a particular college will allocate. Yes, TJ probably has an N greater than say Robinson, but TJ is filled to the brim with qualified students many of whom will have a bunch of quality ECs and other non-test/non-GPA differentiators.

Agreed with this. TJ kids all have really high SAT/ACT and high weighted GPA. To stand out in TJ, WGPA needs to be higher than 4.5 with SAT 1550+. GPA is far more important than SAT. My NMF kid has high SAT but 4.3<WGPA<4.4 was rejected by UVA and all top 20s, even with 2 publications in peer reviewed journals. Quite depressing.

Should’ve switched them to a less stressful public school environment and obviously they would be #1

Well, a 4.3-4.4 today is kind of like 3.3-3.4 prior to the grade inflation which sadly comes up short

This is from TJ, no grade inflation.

Correct. I've seen the highest GPA as 4.698
tracking many years. My guess is the top 20 to 30% of the class is likely in the range 4.3xx to 4.4xx that makes it very competitive. UVA admission is a hit or miss at that level for instance.

Kids who get into MIT/Stanford/CMU are typically from 4.4xx to 4.5xx and very few in 4.6xx based on actual data from students shared internally. Of course, key distinctions are USAMO or Regeneron or other published research. Some 4.6xx kids only got into Duke or Georgia Tech but didn't make it to Harvard, MIT among others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly your kid’s biggest problem will probably be that they’re coming from TJ. They need to knock their application questions out of the park.

This. No college will have unlimited opening for students from any HS. So a qualified student will always partly be competing against other students from the same HS for the N admissions slots that a particular college will allocate. Yes, TJ probably has an N greater than say Robinson, but TJ is filled to the brim with qualified students many of whom will have a bunch of quality ECs and other non-test/non-GPA differentiators.

Agreed with this. TJ kids all have really high SAT/ACT and high weighted GPA. To stand out in TJ, WGPA needs to be higher than 4.5 with SAT 1550+. GPA is far more important than SAT. My NMF kid has high SAT but 4.3<WGPA<4.4 was rejected by UVA and all top 20s, even with 2 publications in peer reviewed journals. Quite depressing.

Should’ve switched them to a less stressful public school environment and obviously they would be #1

Well, a 4.3-4.4 today is kind of like 3.3-3.4 prior to the grade inflation which sadly comes up short

This is from TJ, no grade inflation.

Any school with GPA's over 4.0 or where more than 5% of the class has a 3.5 or higher has massive grade inflation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly your kid’s biggest problem will probably be that they’re coming from TJ. They need to knock their application questions out of the park.

This. No college will have unlimited opening for students from any HS. So a qualified student will always partly be competing against other students from the same HS for the N admissions slots that a particular college will allocate. Yes, TJ probably has an N greater than say Robinson, but TJ is filled to the brim with qualified students many of whom will have a bunch of quality ECs and other non-test/non-GPA differentiators.

Agreed with this. TJ kids all have really high SAT/ACT and high weighted GPA. To stand out in TJ, WGPA needs to be higher than 4.5 with SAT 1550+. GPA is far more important than SAT. My NMF kid has high SAT but 4.3<WGPA<4.4 was rejected by UVA and all top 20s, even with 2 publications in peer reviewed journals. Quite depressing.

Should’ve switched them to a less stressful public school environment and obviously they would be #1

Well, a 4.3-4.4 today is kind of like 3.3-3.4 prior to the grade inflation which sadly comes up short

This is from TJ, no grade inflation.

Correct. I've seen the highest GPA as 4.698
tracking many years. My guess is the top 20 to 30% of the class is likely in the range 4.3xx to 4.4xx that makes it very competitive. UVA admission is a hit or miss at that level for instance.

Kids who get into MIT/Stanford/CMU are typically from 4.4xx to 4.5xx and very few in 4.6xx based on actual data from students shared internally. Of course, key distinctions are USAMO or Regeneron or other published research. Some 4.6xx kids only got into Duke or Georgia Tech but didn't make it to Harvard, MIT among others.

This. Thanks for the info. While 1600 SAT score is impressive, TJ averages in 1540s other factors distinguish much.