Camilla apparently leaning into “The Queen” title

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Anonymous wrote:And? She's Her Majesty the Queen. That's what she's called.

Queen Elizabeth said she shouldn’t be Queen. Charles made her queen. Charles’s dad wasn’t king. Same thing.

I believe queen Elizabeth gave the go ahead later.

She did. Camilla has been “the Queen” (not consort) for sometime now.

No she didn't. QEII said Camilla would be queen consort in 2022 before she died (like 7 months before she died). There was a public announcement. At QEII's funeral events, Camilla was queen consort, as QEII wished. It was not until the coronation that Charles decided to drop the "consort" and the invitations to the coronation had her as just the queen. That was a decision Charles made AFTER QEII's death (which he can make and wasn't that surprising).

QEII did not "give the go ahead" on Camilla being queen and made it pretty clear that she wanted/expected Camilla to be styled as queen consort when Charles ascended to the throne. But all she could do was make her wishes known -- Philip wasn't even around to impose familial pressure to follow QEII's wishes, and Charles did as he pleased.

It's good to be The King

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

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Anonymous wrote:I sometimes think it was kinder that Diana did not live to see all this.

Not for her sons and grandchildren! Diana would have still been a force in the monarch as mother/grandmother to heirs of the throne. Imagine how things would have played out for Meghan & Kate to have Diana as their MIL. So sad she missed out on happier decades to come.

Kate and Diana would have been at each others throats. Or actually, I don't think Kate would have married Will.

Absolutely not. Diana would've counseled Will that if he's making a girl wait around, she's not the one for him.

I can only imagine the advice Diana would give to a young Kate - "Darling, have a bit of self respect. He's making you wait. You deserve someone excited to be with you."

This is a fascinating thought experiment. I struggle to imagine what Diana would have thought of Kate. Your theory has some merit but I also think Diana would have recognized the things in Kate that made her well suited to what Diana knew more than anyone can be a very, very difficult role, and might have encouraged the match if she though William was really willing. I hav never known what to think of the William cheating rumors (could be true? could be tabloid bollocks?) but IF they are true and IF it's true that William kind of landed on Kate by default, I have to imagine that would have been triggering for Diana and hard for her to support/approve of.

Unpopular opinion that might send this thread off the rails: I think Diana would really like Meghan. Diana loved Hollywood, was very drawn to Americans generally, and I think shared some key personality traits with Meghan that would have made them fast friends. I think she would have been an ally to Meghan during the whole debacle in the UK with the press and the intense criticism especially during Meghan's pregnancy, and I think having Diana publicly pointing out the racism and asking for kindness would have gone a long way towards minimizing the attacks and also making Meghan feel like someone other than Harry had her back, which was really the source of the whole decision to leave.

Tbh, I see shades of Charles’s “logical decision” to marry Diana in William’s decision to marry Kate. It was without much passion. It was the “right” thing to do and the “appropriate” person.

Unlike Charles, I don’t think William is carrying on an affair. Charles was a selfish whiner and William seems a lot more disciplined. He knows any affair will get out to the tabloids and ruin his family dynamic. William had a terrible childhood and doesn’t want that for his kids. If William is miserable in his marriage, he learned from QEII the importance of suffering in silence as part of his duty. Dopey Charles didn’t learn that lesson.

I think William cheats. All his male role models have AND you can make the same argument about Charles that you are making about William. He also had a terrible childhood and saw his mother cheated on. I think the main difference is Charles is a liar to others and himself. If Wiliam cheats (which I think he does) he probably was honest with Kate from the beginning that would be part of the situation. Hence his decision to marry someone his own age rather than a 19 year old.

So having a terrible childhood and seeing your mother cheated on makes you a cheater?

Statistically, yes. Kids who grow up in homes where there is cheating are more likely to cheat. Add in that its generationally family tradition since forever, it would be a real anomally for William to not cheat. I'm sure he does, Kate knows the deal and DNGAF.

Link?

NP. Children whose parents are unfaithful are twice as likely to be unfaithful themselves.
https://www.talkspace.com/blog/infidelity-cheating-impact-kids/#:~:text=Some%20unsettling%20research%20published%20in,keep%20this%20statistic%20in%20context.

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Anonymous wrote:I sometimes think it was kinder that Diana did not live to see all this.

Not for her sons and grandchildren! Diana would have still been a force in the monarch as mother/grandmother to heirs of the throne. Imagine how things would have played out for Meghan & Kate to have Diana as their MIL. So sad she missed out on happier decades to come.

Kate and Diana would have been at each others throats. Or actually, I don't think Kate would have married Will.

I don’t think Will or Kate would be any different if Diana had lived. Will is pretty much exactly what he was destined to be and Kate I was the only sensible choice for him. Who knows about Harry but as second son he was probably always destined for some level of conflict and disappointment. I feel like Diana would be in for the drama though. She definitely had an element of sh-t stirrer about her. This is not from the TV show — this is from my following her in the press at the time. She had such a love hate relationship with the public attention. The one thing that would be different is that Camilla definitely would not be queen.

DP. I think Diana would’ve wanted William to marry an aristo.

Hard to say. This type of arrangement is what led to her lousy marriage. She may have realized that marrying outside of that and actually loving/respecting your spouse is more important. However, if she were still alive, I’m not sure the royal family would have modernized those rules. I think her death and the aftermath is what led to the relaxing of the rules which directly led to Kate and Meg

I think this is probably true. Had Diana lived, everything would be different. In many ways her death paved the way for Charles to marry Camilla, because it would have been harder for the remarriage to get approval if the mother of the heir were still alive. On the other hand, I also think if Diana had lived, her public reputation would be more complicated (and less favorable) because it wouldn't be frozen in time. I think Harry and William would be less traumatized and screwed up, but they'd also have to manage divorced parents within their already weird and screwed up family, so I don't think it would just be smooth sailing. I do think Diana would still have a significant role in the family that would change a lot of dynamics, simply as mother to the heir. Think of Diana's involvement in William's and Harry's weddings, and the birth of their kids. With Diana dead, it was QEII's presence, approval, and involvement that was viewed as most significant. But Diana was as famous as QEII -- people would have been obsessed with her relationship with the DILs and with the boys' kids. It would just change everything.

It's "cleaner" for the family, and better for Charles and Camilla specifically, that Diana is dead. Obviously worse for her sons and their families. Everything would be different if she was still alive.

+1 to this. Things in the monarchy would have remained more formal. William might not have been allowed to date or marry Kate.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

He is also bringing in more money by to the country by his role than you ever would.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

He also employs lots of people and is very good for tourism. You give nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

You saying you acknowledge your hypocrisy doesn’t give you a pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

He is also bringing in more money by to the country by his role than you ever would.

Not really. People want to see the ancient, historic artifacts and more modern sites that he had zero to do with. He didn’t build the Tower. He didn’t build Big Ben, or Hever Castle, or the Heath. He didn’t build Hampton Court.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

You saying you acknowledge your hypocrisy doesn’t give you a pass.

And where do YOU live?

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Anonymous wrote:I sometimes think it was kinder that Diana did not live to see all this.

Not for her sons and grandchildren! Diana would have still been a force in the monarch as mother/grandmother to heirs of the throne. Imagine how things would have played out for Meghan & Kate to have Diana as their MIL. So sad she missed out on happier decades to come.

Kate and Diana would have been at each others throats. Or actually, I don't think Kate would have married Will.

I don’t think Will or Kate would be any different if Diana had lived. Will is pretty much exactly what he was destined to be and Kate I was the only sensible choice for him. Who knows about Harry but as second son he was probably always destined for some level of conflict and disappointment. I feel like Diana would be in for the drama though. She definitely had an element of sh-t stirrer about her. This is not from the TV show — this is from my following her in the press at the time. She had such a love hate relationship with the public attention. The one thing that would be different is that Camilla definitely would not be queen.

DP. I think Diana would’ve wanted William to marry an aristo.

I don’t. Diana married the top aristo and was miserable. After she divorced, she fell in love with Hasnat Khan, who was a doctor, not an aristo.

By all accounts, her childhood left her craving a stable family. I think she would have seen Kate and her family as a good thing for William and would have approved of the match. I think she and Meghan would have clashed. Diana would not have liked someone like Meghan to attempt to outshine her. Then again, had Diana survived, I don’t think Harry ever would have met or married Meghan.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

He is also bringing in more money by to the country by his role than you ever would.

His country is in a recession. Maybe they should try another strategy instead of relying heavily on tourism when the rest of the world is increasingly disinterested?

I love the drama going on right now, but have no desire to stand outside buckingham palace.

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Anonymous wrote:I sometimes think it was kinder that Diana did not live to see all this.

Not for her sons and grandchildren! Diana would have still been a force in the monarch as mother/grandmother to heirs of the throne. Imagine how things would have played out for Meghan & Kate to have Diana as their MIL. So sad she missed out on happier decades to come.

You can't be serious that things would play out exactly the same. If Diana had lived we probably never would have had Kate or Meghan. It wouldn't be an "all else equal but with Diana". All of it would have turned out differently.

Why not Kate?

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Anonymous wrote:I sometimes think it was kinder that Diana did not live to see all this.

Not for her sons and grandchildren! Diana would have still been a force in the monarch as mother/grandmother to heirs of the throne. Imagine how things would have played out for Meghan & Kate to have Diana as their MIL. So sad she missed out on happier decades to come.

Kate and Diana would have been at each others throats. Or actually, I don't think Kate would have married Will.

I don’t think Will or Kate would be any different if Diana had lived. Will is pretty much exactly what he was destined to be and Kate I was the only sensible choice for him. Who knows about Harry but as second son he was probably always destined for some level of conflict and disappointment. I feel like Diana would be in for the drama though. She definitely had an element of sh-t stirrer about her. This is not from the TV show — this is from my following her in the press at the time. She had such a love hate relationship with the public attention. The one thing that would be different is that Camilla definitely would not be queen.

DP. I think Diana would’ve wanted William to marry an aristo.

I don’t. Diana married the top aristo and was miserable. After she divorced, she fell in love with Hasnat Khan, who was a doctor, not an aristo.

By all accounts, her childhood left her craving a stable family. I think she would have seen Kate and her family as a good thing for William and would have approved of the match. I think she and Meghan would have clashed. Diana would not have liked someone like Meghan to attempt to outshine her. Then again, had Diana survived, I don’t think Harry ever would have met or married Meghan.

Really disagree regarding Meghan, who was just the kind of person Diana was drawn to in real life. I also don't think Meghan would try to outshine Diana-- I think she'd be awestruck and want to bask in her glow. Meghan has not tried to "outshine" the other royals either-- she's just a more dynamic person that they are because they are all boring AF and it makes her stick out. Meghan would not stick out with Diana, she'd fit in. Especially a 2010s/2020s Diana who would have been doing her own thing for 30 years post divorce.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

He is also bringing in more money by to the country by his role than you ever would.

Not really. People want to see the ancient, historic artifacts and more modern sites that he had zero to do with. He didn’t build the Tower. He didn’t build Big Ben, or Hever Castle, or the Heath. He didn’t build Hampton Court.

So no one visits the royal sites. No one purchases royal related items. That has never happened and never will.

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Anonymous wrote:Camilla hasn't made one false step since she became a public person. Charles and Camila are happy and she was crowned Queen, not queen consort, and she is doing a bang up job.

Um yes she has, they didn’t return the STOLEN JEWELS and instead flaunted them at the coronation, which spared no expense for the British public, and was an environmental strain in many ways

Then she did everything right.

Being a hypocrite is doing things right? They’ve been talking about “slimming down” the monarchy and paying more mind to how much expense the public bears, they’ve been yapping about cultural restoration and sensitivity, Charles has yammered on about giving a crap about the environment for decades. And then it’s go time and they’re like just kidding, pay for us to wear stolen jewels and who gives a fig about the planet.

Like you being a hypocrite. Why are you using a device? Which harms the planet.
Where are you living? On stolen property.

I acknowledge that. But you know who pays for my house? Me. Not taxpayers; me.

He is also bringing in more money by to the country by his role than you ever would.

His country is in a recession. Maybe they should try another strategy instead of relying heavily on tourism when the rest of the world is increasingly disinterested?

I love the drama going on right now, but have no desire to stand outside buckingham palace.

No one cares if you have no desire to stand outside buckingham palace but plenty others do. You think everyone does what you do?