Where do normal kids go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:I work at the University of Missouri. Admissions are guaranteed for 24 ACT / 1160 SAT and a 2.0+ GPA. This is the state flagship; other state schools are even easier. It's crazy to me as a native New Yorker that so many locals send their talented, accomplished kids to Mizzou. But then they are having a good time, graduating without debt and still getting into law and med school, so maybe I am the crazy one. Still trying to figure that out.

My kid with an SAT mid 1300s will attend Mizzou’s J-School. The top Journalism programs were a HUGE reach with their stats, plus the tuition made them completely out of reach.

They are getting enough merit aid to be a bit less expensive than our in-state flagship. The school has all the extras my kid wants: rah rah athletics, large enough campus, cute and close downtown, greek life. Add to that, their highly rated J-school.

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Anonymous wrote:I work at the University of Missouri. Admissions are guaranteed for 24 ACT / 1160 SAT and a 2.0+ GPA. This is the state flagship; other state schools are even easier. It's crazy to me as a native New Yorker that so many locals send their talented, accomplished kids to Mizzou. But then they are having a good time, graduating without debt and still getting into law and med school, so maybe I am the crazy one. Still trying to figure that out.

My kid with an SAT mid 1300s will attend Mizzou’s J-School. The top Journalism programs were a HUGE reach with their stats, plus the tuition made them completely out of reach.

They are getting enough merit aid to be a bit less expensive than our in-state flagship. The school has all the extras my kid wants: rah rah athletics, large enough campus, cute and close downtown, greek life. Add to that, their highly rated J-school.

Forgot to add: We get a lot of people asking why Mizzou, when there were “better” schools that accepted them. We just smile and say that they fell in love with the school and the program.

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Anonymous wrote:If everything is so hard to get into now, where do regular kids go, the ones with As and Bs, not all APs, average SAT scores...?

What can you afford. If you are full pay, there are a lot of options.

And lots if you can’t afford. My 3.00 (yes, I was amazed it was that precise) 26 ACT kid went to a private school LAC with 26K merit per year.

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Anonymous wrote:I work at the University of Missouri. Admissions are guaranteed for 24 ACT / 1160 SAT and a 2.0+ GPA. This is the state flagship; other state schools are even easier. It's crazy to me as a native New Yorker that so many locals send their talented, accomplished kids to Mizzou. But then they are having a good time, graduating without debt and still getting into law and med school, so maybe I am the crazy one. Still trying to figure that out.

My kid with an SAT mid 1300s will attend Mizzou’s J-School. The top Journalism programs were a HUGE reach with their stats, plus the tuition made them completely out of reach.

They are getting enough merit aid to be a bit less expensive than our in-state flagship. The school has all the extras my kid wants: rah rah athletics, large enough campus, cute and close downtown, greek life. Add to that, their highly rated J-school.

I am the Mizzou employee - Congratulations! The J school is really incredible. My post was not to say denigrate Mizzou at all (in case that wasn't clear). It was just hard to believe, coming from a prestige-obsessed area, that so many of the local best and brightest (who could afford and get admitted to more competitive schools) elect to go to Mizzou. But they do, and they have great experiences and outcomes. As another poster mentioned, kids self-select into different majors and areas of study. J school in particular has students from all over the country, so it should be a great environment for an OOSer!

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My son is a normal kid from PA. Had grades that were ok. He did take a few AP classes Senior year.

So, he applied to a few reginal publics, Ohio University, UNC Charlotte and Kent State.

Some smaller schools, Furman and St. Joes.

And a few big-name publics, WVU, Pitt, Penn State and Kentucky.

We were/are aware of the price or else he would have applied to JMU, Delaware and Miami of Ohio.

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what is considered "normal"?

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Anonymous wrote:I work at the University of Missouri. Admissions are guaranteed for 24 ACT / 1160 SAT and a 2.0+ GPA. This is the state flagship; other state schools are even easier. It's crazy to me as a native New Yorker that so many locals send their talented, accomplished kids to Mizzou. But then they are having a good time, graduating without debt and still getting into law and med school, so maybe I am the crazy one. Still trying to figure that out.

My kid with an SAT mid 1300s will attend Mizzou’s J-School. The top Journalism programs were a HUGE reach with their stats, plus the tuition made them completely out of reach.

They are getting enough merit aid to be a bit less expensive than our in-state flagship. The school has all the extras my kid wants: rah rah athletics, large enough campus, cute and close downtown, greek life. Add to that, their highly rated J-school.

It's a great university and being able to step one foot off campus and be in a classic walkable college town with vibrant street life, bookstores, cafes, restaurants, etc. can't be underestimated.

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Anonymous wrote:If everything is so hard to get into now, where do regular kids go, the ones with As and Bs, not all APs, average SAT scores...?

Schools with 50% acceptance rates or higher. See tiktok schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I work at the University of Missouri. Admissions are guaranteed for 24 ACT / 1160 SAT and a 2.0+ GPA. This is the state flagship; other state schools are even easier. It's crazy to me as a native New Yorker that so many locals send their talented, accomplished kids to Mizzou. But then they are having a good time, graduating without debt and still getting into law and med school, so maybe I am the crazy one. Still trying to figure that out.

Weird that ppl send their kids here given the peer group.

It is a low floor high ceiling group, I guess. Certain programs have more rigorous requirements, like engineering and journalism. I can see if OOS tuition is not financially feasible, but we live in a relatively well-off area, where there are plenty of parents who could have been putting money away. So I find it weird, too.

My decision depends on peer group. For my kids, peer group is very important. If they’re surrounded by a bunch of slackers, I fear they will be slackers too. And the environment is super important to get them to internally motivate. However, that might not be the case for everyone’s kid.

And we are lucky that we don’t have to consider financial aid offers, which I know drives a lot of people to schools like this.

A lot of schools like this though have a smaller and academically focused peer group. You yourself admit that not everyone has the money to pay for OOS or private.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but this the third thread in the past couple months with similar subject.

get over it. There are so many posts focused on T20 schools, it refreshing to see some more posts about schools that have reasonable acceptance rates.

I love that there are people who are realistic and want to find schools where students can get in, get a great education and thrive.

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Anonymous wrote:JMU, VCU, Christopher Newport, in some cases VA Tech, Mason, West Virginia, and some other OOS schools (College of Charleston, USF, Alabama, Kentucky, etc.). Honestly, there are lots of options for kids who might not have the highest stats but did okay. It's just that this board seems obsessed with only the top 50.

+1,000

I apologize for the length of this post, but I've been lurking on this forum for about a week, seeking information, and finally felt compelled to share my thoughts.

I have no issue with parents wanting the absolute best opportunities for their children. God knows I do, and there's nothing inherently wrong with both valuing and pursuing a T-50 institution personally or for your child. Generally - or certainly on this forum however - there seems to be a particularly strong focus on those institutions, sometimes to the complete disrespect of anything else. I've lived in the DC region since 1993, but grew up in Philadelphia in a solidly middle class family with first-generation college graduate parents. The two areas couldn't be any different. Few of my closest neighborhood friends graduated from college, and my family would've been just as proud if I went to East Stroudsburg or UPenn. Some might call that a low bar. We just view it as casting a much wider net to the end of what makes one successful.

I'm no mathematician, but of all the college students in this country, my guess is that less than 10% attend T-50 institutions. Are the rest of those colleges, where the majority of our children attend, garbage and not worthy of attending for those whom they may be the only option? Neither life nor success is linear, so we can't act like only high-achieving kids who attend the most highly regarded institutions, are the only people who will ultimately be successful.

I graduated from a T-25 state flagship, and got my masters degree from a T-25 private. I have done well in my career (professionally and from an earnings perspective), but I have friends and former classmates who've done "better" in those categories. Of the most successful folks I've worked with, almost none graduated from schools with the prestige of my alma maters. The CEO of a former employer graduated from a SUNY school. Another went to Louisville, and another, the University of Richmond. My current boss graduated from Miami of Ohio, and past bosses/colleagues have graduated from JMU, Frostburg, and small directional state schools in the midwest.

There's no question that prestigious schools can open doors but the most successful people, the real achievers and impact-makers, are those one's who work their tails off, and make the absolute most of every opportunity that they have.

Our second and youngest is currently sweating out the RD college acceptance season (actually, we are probably more than them). They (using the non-binary term only to protect their identity) have a 3.2 GPA, 1200 SATs, and documented challenges with ADD and executive functioning (they had an IEP since 7th grade). They have two acceptances in hand - one from a small in-state school; one from a mid-tier private in the Northeast with substantial merit $; one waitlist from a large state school; and three rejections from a large sought after in-state school, a large OOS, and a selective STEM-focused private in the Northeast that we knew was a stretch. They are awaiting what we think is their first choice - another STEM-focused private in the Northeast, and another large in-state. They are exceptionally bright and more importantly, an exceptional person in every aspect (kind, respectful, hard-working, honest, independent thinker, values family). They have yet to figure out who they are, and how to tap into their full potential. Our message to them is that wherever you end up, that is where you should be, and do everything you can to maximize the opportunity.

Its not about groupthink, and I certainly don't believe that we all must value and pursue the same things for ourselves and our families. But I do believe that for our kids sake, we should evangelize a far less narrow definition of, and potential path to, success.

THANK YOU for this compassionate post. I have a DC who is in 8th grade and sounds similar to yours. Congrats on some solid choices. I agree with your thoughts on the admissions process as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:My cousins, siblings and I all went to a variety of schools starting in the early aughts: UNC-CH (in state), American University, George Mason University, Manhattan College, Pace University, Frostburg State University, Eastern Carolina University, UMCP, Bryn Mawr, WVU, UMass - Amherst, Western Carolina University. Those of us with ambition have been professionally successful…alma mater really hasn’t been relevant.

I do *not* get the obsession.

My spouse and I grew up in MA/NJ and now live in NC; When we first got here (Charlotte area) we were amazed at how many professional, sophisticated UMC / UC families were sending kids to all the in-state school. In our similar childhood towns (affluent, competitive) it was rare to go in-state.