Times- Best Colleges for future Leaders

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Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Agree. Even after earning an MBA degree, engineers are often a bit too analytical to understand the big picture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Agree. Even after earning an MBA degree, engineers are often a bit too analytical to understand the big picture.

I would assume that all the Stanford & MIT STEM grads that go on to start companies are part of the leadership group which is why both rank so highly.

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Anonymous wrote:Only surprise is ASU (not knocking it; half of my husband's family went there and they're all brilliant.) I also thought Duke would be higher (and I'm by no means a Duke fan - I am just surprised to see them just a little above ASU.) I would also have expected GU to come in at 8 or 9, ahead of Michigan and Chicago.

DMV is in the east cost. Duke is an easy coast thing by DMV boosters. Duke's not as well known as Harvard, Stanford, or Columbia outside that region.

If not for the basketball program, Duke would be Davidson.

If not for tobacco money and James B. Duke, Duke would be Trinity College or defunct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Which has worked out great for Boeing. Used to be an engineering run company. Now it's the MBAs. And the MBAs have been doing a super awesome job at Boeing. Really wonderful results in recent years. And totally great for the brand. Thank goodness for the MBAs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Right? GE totally sucked when the engineers ran the company. Thank goodness the finance guys came in and made it the wonderful company it is today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Which has worked out great for Boeing. Used to be an engineering run company. Now it's the MBAs. And the MBAs have been doing a super awesome job at Boeing. Really wonderful results in recent years. And totally great for the brand. Thank goodness for the MBAs.

Great straw man. My retort was about Emory and Gatech. Last time I checked Gatech also has an mba program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LACs that made the list all scored 81 :

#44 USMA at West Point

#77 Middlebury College

#82 USNA-Annapolis

#89 Claremont McKenna College

#92 Amherst College

#93 Davidson College

#95 Mount Holyoke College

#97 Smith College

#99 Colgate University

Surprised that these schools did not make the list:

Williams College, Wellesley College, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Wash & Lee, USAFA (often move into consulting positions) & Carleton College.

Given the small size of these schools and their lack of any professional schools (law, business, and medicine), these SLACs seem outstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:" TIME and Statista analyzed the resumés of 2,000 top leaders in the U.S.—politicians, CEOs, union leaders, Nobel winners, and more across sectors—to assemble a list of the universities and colleges where they received their degrees. The list, which is weighted for school size..."

https://time.com/collection/best-colleges-for-future-leaders/

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. Penn
4. Columbia
5. MIT
6. Yale
7. Princeton
8. Northwestern
9. Umich
10. U Chicago
11. UCB
12. Georgetown
13. NYU
14. UT-Austin
15. Cornell
16. Dartmouth
17. UVA
18. DUke
19. Brown
20. ASU- Tempe
21. UNC
22. Notre Dame
23. Texas A&M
24. Vanderbilt
25. USC
26. U Minnesota
27. Indiana
28. Boston College
29. Wisconsin Madison
30. Emory

Any Surprises?

Why did they put ranks when the scores are all the same?


Rank College Leadership score City State Notable subsidiaries
1 Harvard University 100 Cambridge MA Harvard Business School, Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
2 Stanford University 90 Stanford CA Stanford University Graduate School of Business, Stanford Law School
3 University of Pennsylvania 89 Philadelphia PA ABA Stonier Graduate School of Banking, The Wharton School
4 Columbia University 87 New York NY Columbia Business School, Columbia Engineering, Columbia Law School, Columbia University Law School, Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons, Teachers College, Columbia University
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 87 Cambridge MA MIT Sloan School of Management
6 Yale University 86 New Haven CT Yale Law School, Yale School of Drama, Yale School of Management, Yale School of Medicine
7 Princeton University 86 Princeton NJ
8 Northwestern University 85 Evanston IL Kellogg School of Management, Pritzker School of Law
9 University of Michigan 85 Ann Arbor MI Stephen M. Ross School of Business, University of Michigan Law School, U-M School of Public Health
10 University of Chicago 84 Chicago IL Booth School of Business, University of Chicago Law School
11 University of California, Berkeley 84 Berkeley CA Haas School of Business
12 Georgetown University 84 Washington DC Georgetown University Law Center, McCourt School of Public Policy, Georgetown University School of Medicine
13 New York University 83 New York NY New York University School of Law, Stern School of Business
14 University of Texas at Austin 83 Austin TX McCombs School of Business, Texas Law
15 Cornell University 83 Ithaca NY Cornell Johnson Graduate School of Management, Weill Cornell Medicine
16 Dartmouth College 83 Hanover NH Geisel School of Medicine, Tuck School of Business
17 University of Virginia 83 Charlottesville VA Darden School of Business, University of Virginia School of Law, University of Virginia School of Medicine
18 Duke University 83 Durham NC Fuqua School of Business
19 Brown University 83 Providence RI
20 Arizona State University-Tempe 82 Tempe AZ Thunderbird School of Global Management, W. P. Carey School of Business
21 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 82 Chapel Hill NC Kenan-Flagler Business School
22 University of Notre Dame 82 Notre Dame IN Notre Dame Law School, Mendoza College of Business
23 Texas A&M University 82 College Station TX Mays Business School
24 Vanderbilt University 82 Nashville TN Owen Graduate School of Management, Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
25 University of Southern California (USC) 82 Los Angeles CA
26 University of Minnesota 82 Twin Cities (Minneapolis & Saint Paul) MN Carlson School of Management
27 Indiana University 82 Bloomington IN Kelley School of Business, Lilly Family School of Philanthropy, Maurer School of Law
28 Boston College 82 Chestnut Hill MA Carroll School of Management
29 University of Wisconsin-Madison 82 Madison WI Wisconsin School of Business
30 Emory University 82 Atlanta GA Goizueta Business School, Emory University School of Medicine
31 Boston University 82 Boston MA Questrom School of Business
32 Purdue University 82 West Lafayette IN
33 University of California, Los Angeles 82 Los Angeles CA
34 University of Missouri-Columbia 82 Columbia MO
35 Miami University 82 Oxford OH
36 Pennsylvania State University 82 State College PA Penn State University College of Medicine

Exactly. This "ranking" is absurd when there's a 20-way tie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LACs that made the list all scored 81 :

#44 USMA at West Point

#77 Middlebury College

#82 USNA-Annapolis

#89 Claremont McKenna College

#92 Amherst College

#93 Davidson College

#95 Mount Holyoke College

#97 Smith College

#99 Colgate University

Surprised that these schools did not make the list:

Williams College, Wellesley College, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Wash & Lee, USAFA (often move into consulting positions) & Carleton College.

Given the small size of these schools and their lack of any professional schools (law, business, and medicine), these SLACs seem outstanding.

Supposedly the rankings adjusted for school size…and how do you explain Princeton ranking #7 which also doesn’t have any professional schools you refer.

Nice try though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Agree. Even after earning an MBA degree, engineers are often a bit too analytical to understand the big picture.

Nah, too smart to join the rat race. Engineers understand diminishing marginal utility.
Enjoying WFH, high pay, short hour, low stress jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory bashers on here have some explaining to do. Wasn't there a thread saying Gatech or WashU was a better school?

Ga. Tech is better than Emory for engineering.

Engineers aren't really leaders I guess.

Right? GE totally sucked when the engineers ran the company. Thank goodness the finance guys came in and made it the wonderful company it is today.

Huh? Engineer Jack Welch kept the company afloat on financial skulduggery for 20 years.

[Anonymous]

The ranking is obviously biased in favor of schools with a lot of professional schools. For example, it's much easier for law schools to produce a politician than an engineering school to produce a Nobel prize winner. Therefore, schools like MIT and Princeton are at disadvantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ranking is obviously biased in favor of schools with a lot of professional schools. For example, it's much easier for law schools to produce a politician than an engineering school to produce a Nobel prize winner. Therefore, schools like MIT and Princeton are at disadvantage.

MIT is 5 and Princeton 7. Seems like they did just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LACs that made the list all scored 81 :

#44 USMA at West Point

#77 Middlebury College

#82 USNA-Annapolis

#89 Claremont McKenna College

#92 Amherst College

#93 Davidson College

#95 Mount Holyoke College

#97 Smith College

#99 Colgate University

Surprised that these schools did not make the list:

Williams College, Wellesley College, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Wash & Lee, USAFA (often move into consulting positions) & Carleton College.

Given the small size of these schools and their lack of any professional schools (law, business, and medicine), these SLACs seem outstanding.

Supposedly the rankings adjusted for school size…and how do you explain Princeton ranking #7 which also doesn’t have any professional schools you refer.

Nice try though

When you look at the “score,” these schools earn an 81, which ranks as high as 37, so these schools are not really in the 90s. Further, a score of 82 ranks as high as 20 and a score of 83 ranks as high as 13. Assuming that the scoring is linear, there’s not much difference between 81 and 82, or even 83.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ranking is obviously biased in favor of schools with a lot of professional schools. For example, it's much easier for law schools to produce a politician than an engineering school to produce a Nobel prize winner. Therefore, schools like MIT and Princeton are at disadvantage.

MIT is 5 and Princeton 7. Seems like they did just fine.

Yeah, but both much better than Penn for undergrad yet behind Penn/Wharton. . .