Tell me about the CS program at William and Mary

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

That CS is an important tool in all the arts and sciences? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:According to William & Mary's newest 6 year plan being submitted to SHEV
"W&M has begun to explore degree-granting programs in cybersecurity."

It's SCHEV

Typo 🤦🏻‍♂️

Not really sure a one letter mistake merited a reply

Not really sure a response to getting something wrong merited a reply

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

I'd say it should say something about undergraduate education in general - for good and for worse. It's increasingly vocational. People here in various threads are mocking students and programs who are not as trained and ready for specific work tasks as they could be, had they not wasted time on less marketable classes. That's the landscape and LACs need to adjust just like other institutions. Are they really losing their identity more than universities selling marketable degrees? Maybe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

That CS is an important tool in all the arts and sciences? Yes.

This is the difference between people who think CS is primarily an engineering discipline, versus people who think of CS as integrated in a variety of disciplines. Both are valid and necessary. One is more narrowly about the tech, the other focuses on designing tech to work deeply and well with different kinds of knowledge bases/expertise and the questions and problems they consider.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

Counterpoint is that it is a state school and to be effective at that it needs to meet student demand. As is, CS is the 5th biggest major on campus

because a lot of kids can't handle real majors. there are easy majors for reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

Counterpoint is that it is a state school and to be effective at that it needs to meet student demand. As is, CS is the 5th biggest major on campus

because a lot of kids can't handle real majors. there are easy majors for reasons.

You're not seriously claiming CS is an easy major?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to William & Mary's newest 6 year plan being submitted to SHEV
"W&M has begun to explore degree-granting programs in cybersecurity."

It's SCHEV

Typo 🤦🏻‍♂️

Not really sure a one letter mistake merited a reply

Not really sure a response to getting something wrong merited a reply

OMG, please. I'm pulling the car over right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

I'd say it should say something about undergraduate education in general - for good and for worse. It's increasingly vocational. People here in various threads are mocking students and programs who are not as trained and ready for specific work tasks as they could be, had they not wasted time on less marketable classes. That's the landscape and LACs need to adjust just like other institutions. Are they really losing their identity more than universities selling marketable degrees? Maybe.

CS is not vocational. You are thinking about IT.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

Counterpoint is that it is a state school and to be effective at that it needs to meet student demand. As is, CS is the 5th biggest major on campus

because a lot of kids can't handle real majors. there are easy majors for reasons.

Which majors are you calling easy? And easy for whom?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone in industry, I would NEVER ADVISE any kid to pursue any sort of engineering program (and CS sits in engineering schools) to go to a program that isn’t ABET accredited. My company won’t even hire an intern from a college that isn’t ABET accredited so we don’t recruit or consider W&M for internships.

I’m sure W&M is a great school just not for CS.

I don't think this is true. I work for Amazon Web Service (AWS) and we don't care where you get your degree from. If you can pass the on-site interview, with actual real world scenarios, we will hire you, even if you graduate from WM.

+1. Top tier schools don't care about the ABET certification. Michigan CS gave up their ABET certification for whatever reason and their kids are not affected by that. DS' friends are being placed at top companies for internships and jobs.. I'm talking Google/Citadel level.

seriously? That would give me pause.

Why? Stanford and Berkeley don't care for ABET accreditation either. Lower schools do care though.. It's like the PMP. We look for them in beginner and junior PMs. No one's going to ask the VP of Program Delivery if they have a PMP.

I have literally never heard anyone talking about ABET accreditation in close to 30 years of hiring for CS jobs at multiple different companies.

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The Federal competitive civil service sometimes asks if one’s university was ABET accredited. I have never heard of any other employer who cared or asked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that a college known for its liberal arts program is now trying to expand its CS program. That should tell you something about LACs

Counterpoint is that it is a state school and to be effective at that it needs to meet student demand. As is, CS is the 5th biggest major on campus

because a lot of kids can't handle real majors. there are easy majors for reasons.

Which majors are you calling easy? And easy for whom?

like communications, psychology, English, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The Federal competitive civil service sometimes asks if one’s university was ABET accredited. I have never heard of any other employer who cared or asked.

totally irrelevant for CS

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Anonymous wrote:yes i don’t see why people say W&M is so competitive. I just checked our school. last year the acceptance rate was 44.4, the ED acceptance rate was 100% with an average 4.35 and 1310. No way in hellllll are you getting in VT engineering with those stats unless you have something really special.

My kid is also a stem kid, and W&M is not on his radar. it’s VT, GT, UMD, UTAustin, TAM, UF, and Auburn.

As someone in industry, I would NEVER ADVISE any kid to pursue any sort of engineering program (and CS sits in engineering schools) to go to a program that isn’t ABET accredited. My company won’t even hire an intern from a college that isn’t ABET accredited so we don’t recruit or consider W&M for internships.

I’m sure W&M is a great school just not for CS.

I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your comments but

NOT ABET accredited undergraduate CS programs:
Cal
Carnegie Mellon
UMD
Purdue
Stanford
Washington

ACCREDITED undergraduate CS programs include:
Coastal Carolina
UDC
Hood
Liberty
Radford
York (PA)

https://amspub.abet.org/aps/category-search?disciplines=19°reeLevels=B

Your post is misleading. Most of the schools in the top list (except Berkeley and Stanford), and those like them, are ABET for their computer engineering programs (which is is what the PP specifically references).

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Anonymous wrote:yes i don’t see why people say W&M is so competitive. I just checked our school. last year the acceptance rate was 44.4, the ED acceptance rate was 100% with an average 4.35 and 1310. No way in hellllll are you getting in VT engineering with those stats unless you have something really special.

My kid is also a stem kid, and W&M is not on his radar. it’s VT, GT, UMD, UTAustin, TAM, UF, and Auburn.

As someone in industry, I would NEVER ADVISE any kid to pursue any sort of engineering program (and CS sits in engineering schools) to go to a program that isn’t ABET accredited. My company won’t even hire an intern from a college that isn’t ABET accredited so we don’t recruit or consider W&M for internships.

I’m sure W&M is a great school just not for CS.

I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your comments but

NOT ABET accredited undergraduate CS programs:
Cal
Carnegie Mellon
UMD
Purdue
Stanford
Washington

ACCREDITED undergraduate CS programs include:
Coastal Carolina
UDC
Hood
Liberty
Radford
York (PA)

https://amspub.abet.org/aps/category-search?disciplines=19°reeLevels=B

Your post is misleading. Most of the schools in the top list (except Berkeley and Stanford), and those like them, are ABET for their computer engineering programs (which is is what the PP specifically references).

No, this whole topic of discussion was about Computer Science programs, not comp eng