Saturday - Thousands expected to attend pro-Palestine march in DC for ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war

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Anonymous wrote:"From the River to the Sea" is a dog whistle.

Sure, you can argue that it's not. You sound just like Southerners when they talk about "States' Rights."

It is not a dog whistle in that an audience has to understand and appreciate the message in the dog whistle. In this case, people are telling you that “destroy Jews” or “kill all Israelis” or whatever you think it means is not what they hear - they dont hear the dog whistle. You can think they are misguided. I guess you can disbelieve them. But if you listen to people about what they are saying rather than what you assume they are saying, we will get further.

I appreciate that some probably do say this to mean “exterminate all Jews”. I also accept that most Israelis who voted for Likud do not want to murder all Palestinians (they use the phrase too).

If you can understand that the Arab Americans and the college kids marching are not saying what you fear they are, we might be able to get to a better place.

this is so hypocritical though. how did we get from obsession with “microaggressions” - like asking someone where they are from or making tacos while white - to having the responsibility to “understand” that a statement commonly known to mean “destroy Israel” doesn’t actually mean that.

It is known in your circles. It is not known in mine (and I am a completely uninvolved outsider). It is also not what is understood in dorm rooms where kids are passing around pictures of deal Palestinian kids and saying “we have to do something”.

Then those kids should be educated not taken advantage of by those that really really DO want to destroy Israel and all Jews. JFC

Do you think the hundreds of thousands of people marching around the world want to destroy Israel and Al Jews? Or do you think the primary message of the marchers - stop the bombing - is coming through? Because I think it’s the latter. There are always going to be people who are trying to discredit all the marches and point to the extremists who are both violent and anti semitic. Don’t get taken in by them and listen to the overall message.

what is the message to Hamas, which triggered the war?

I know this is hard to hear but you don’t get to decide what people should say/talk about/march for. These particular protestors are speaking against the Israeli govt’s actions and the US support for those actions. You are welcome to speak against Hamas and I bet a lot of folk would join you. I would.

Interesting. I saw a protester interviewed about the march. He was proud of the fact that he was marching IN SUPPORT OF HAMAS.
Yes, he said the quiet part out loud and was proud of it. I wonder how many other marchers are doing the same.

Wait, are you suggesting that the news would broadcast the most inflammatory thing they can find?

I could have sworn they'd be interested in finding someone very reasonable to explain a nuanced position.

I support peace and a lot of things including a two state solution with funding from the US and United Nations to ensure the new Palestine is prosperous and the people have education, healthcare, etc…

But these protests are frustrating and started on October 7th. Yes right after the attacks they were celebrating.

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Anonymous wrote:We've all seen the swastikas and the hate speech.We've seen law firms rescind offers to students signing anti-semitic screeds. Most people don't want to be associated with these protesters. So I imagine that those that do will be the worst of the worst. And of course most will be masked. Just like the KKK. Definitely would not attend if you have a career to think about

The vast majority of protests have been peaceful. I think there have only been a handful of incidents out of the hundred+ protests in the last few weeks? The ideal would be 0 incidents. The hate speech and swastikas have been a very small percentage of these people and I wouldn't want any person saying those things to show up. Of course showing up with swastikas is awful.

Yes, there will probably be chants of "from the river to the sea" and "free Palestine", but that is not hate speech, not in the US. You can pull up a bunch of articles written by people saying it is, and I can pull up articles written by people saying it's not. So it would be your perspective to say it's hate speech, but other people have a different perspective.

I mean, since you all think it's hate speech anyway and want to cancel them for saying free Palestine, why wouldn't they just say death chants or whatever if that's what they really meant? It's because it's not what the vast majority of people mean when they say it.

So let them exercise their first amendment rights. If we disagree with an action of our government, it is our right to protest peacefully. They are not terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. This is a call to our government to do what it can do to minimize the suffering of the innocent people of Gaza.

Almost everyone, Jews and Muslim, wants the violence to end. Hamas has broken the cease-fire every time.

Hamas does not equal all Palestinians. The protests are to protest using our tax dollars to kill Palestinians. I honestly don’t think this situation can end without much more death but how is it antisemitism to go to a protest?

Many of the protests feature antisemitic language and imagery. Sure, you may not believe in them, but why are you tolerating it? Aren't progressives the ones that coinced the phrase "Silence is Violence?"

Is there a way that I can protest my government showing this level of support to Israel without being anti-Semitic?

Because what I am getting from this thread and others is that expressing any sort of negative opinion about Israel is going to be labeled as anti-Semitic, hate speech, etc.

Where was the outrage in the streets when Ukraine was attached and daily kids being killed there?

What about our own country separating families at the border who still have not been reunited?

What about Roe v. Wade being overturned? Clearly college age women and all women would be champions of that? Some protested but not levels like we are seeing now.

There were more protests.

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The protesters should stay.

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard a chant “there is only one solution, intifada revolution” from the stage. I thought this was about a cease fire?

They were supposed to be on a cease fire now and then Oct 7th happened. How can they trust a cease fire?

I agree, comment was just a retort to those saying this rally is about protesting US money to Israel and calling for a cease fire. “Intifada revolution” seems to quite different than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard a chant “there is only one solution, intifada revolution” from the stage. I thought this was about a cease fire?

They were supposed to be on a cease fire now and then Oct 7th happened. How can they trust a cease fire?

This is such a dumbass talking point. The peace process has been dead for a generation due to both Israelis and Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:"From the River to the Sea" is a dog whistle.

Sure, you can argue that it's not. You sound just like Southerners when they talk about "States' Rights."

It is not a dog whistle in that an audience has to understand and appreciate the message in the dog whistle. In this case, people are telling you that “destroy Jews” or “kill all Israelis” or whatever you think it means is not what they hear - they dont hear the dog whistle. You can think they are misguided. I guess you can disbelieve them. But if you listen to people about what they are saying rather than what you assume they are saying, we will get further.

I appreciate that some probably do say this to mean “exterminate all Jews”. I also accept that most Israelis who voted for Likud do not want to murder all Palestinians (they use the phrase too).

If you can understand that the Arab Americans and the college kids marching are not saying what you fear they are, we might be able to get to a better place.

“stand back and stand by”. That was a dog whistle too. By your reasoning trump could have been saying something innocuous like “stand back” “I’ll talk to you proud boys later and explain that violence is not the answer” lol!

It’s not open for interpretation “from the river to the sea” is a call to exterminate the Jews. Wake up people.

So what’s your interpretation when Israelis say that?

I'll bite. As a two-state supporter, I think they are wrong. There is a shameful right wing in Israeli politics as well as a very loud howl of liberal protest against them.

The reason for support for this right wing is the constant threat of terrorism. That's the practical effect of terrorism in practice right there.

You should see Hamas as accellerationist. They perpetrated their brutal massacre on 10/7 just as more moderate voices looked like they could gain some ground. Because they don't want peace. They want the biggest conflagration possible.

Our world includes a lot of different groups trying to burn it all down so they can remake it the way they want. Yes, some of them are Jews, but really, in the Middle East most of them are Iran-backed terrorist groups hurtling us all toward their nihilistic end times bs.

That is an idiotic take. Oct 7 is not an isolated actions done without provocation. Israel bares as much responsibility as Hamas for this never ending war. Anyone familiar with the history of the region knows this. Two state solutions is done because Israel does not want it and the US does not force the issue. It is away to placate Americans while working for annexation of the occupied territories. This leave the status quo where Israel commits state terrorism against the Palestinians day in and day out. Then gets upset when Hamas occasional gets lucky against Israel.

Israel will fail to “destroy” Hamas and in 3-4 year Israel will be attacked again.

Arabs said no to all offers in 1948, 1967, 1993, and everything beyond. But it’s Israel that’s in the way of the 2 state solution?

The literal least you could do is to call them Palestinians.

If you're going to try and bs don't reveal yourself as part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Any cease-fire request that is not paired with a request that all hostages ve freed is morally bankrupt.

True. And at the same time, any demand that one happens before the other is bad faith.

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Anonymous wrote:They're calling for a cease fire, not an escalation. Some people care about human life.

Getting rid of Hamas will help save human life, both Israelis and Palestinians.

Can they get rid of Hamas with fewer civilian deaths? The Hamas:innocent death ratio sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:They're calling for a cease fire, not an escalation. Some people care about human life.

Getting rid of Hamas will help save human life, both Israelis and Palestinians.

Can they get rid of Hamas with fewer civilian deaths? The Hamas:innocent death ratio sucks.

They can but that would be harder and might lead to peace or even worse a two state solution.

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Anonymous wrote:They're calling for a cease fire, not an escalation. Some people care about human life.

Getting rid of Hamas will help save human life, both Israelis and Palestinians.

Can they get rid of Hamas with fewer civilian deaths? The Hamas:innocent death ratio sucks.

10,000-plus targets struck with 9,000 (alleged) deaths is unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:They're calling for a cease fire, not an escalation. Some people care about human life.

Getting rid of Hamas will help save human life, both Israelis and Palestinians.

Can they get rid of Hamas with fewer civilian deaths? The Hamas:innocent death ratio sucks.

I think that’s the point of all the warnings and pleas to evacuate. Hamas is the one killing Palestinians trying to flee.

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Anonymous wrote:They're calling for a cease fire, not an escalation. Some people care about human life.

Getting rid of Hamas will help save human life, both Israelis and Palestinians.

Can they get rid of Hamas with fewer civilian deaths? The Hamas:innocent death ratio sucks.

Hamas would need to change its ways. Right now they are hiding behind civilians and are using them as human shields, they have tunnels and rallying points and weapons stockpiles and strongholds underneath major residential areas, under hospitals and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:They're calling for a cease fire, not an escalation. Some people care about human life.

Hamas doesn't give a damn about Israeli or Palestinian life.

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard a chant “there is only one solution, intifada revolution” from the stage. I thought this was about a cease fire?

Nah. The "ceasefire" talk was to bring in the useful idiots so they could all call for Intifada together.

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Anonymous wrote:Just heard a chant “there is only one solution, intifada revolution” from the stage. I thought this was about a cease fire?

lol