Whoa FCPS- data breach

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. While I sympathize, this woman has wreaked operational havoc on the schools her children have attended. I know one AP who spent her summer dealing with document requests from her instead of working on things that were needed to open school in the fall.

She was an "advocate" for one of the students in my lower ES class. She and the mom of the child were nasty from the second we sat down in an initial meeting. I typically walk into a meeting and present a pleasant greeting and small talk. Neither would make eye contact, let alone smile. They interrupted and they looked for any opportunity to find a "gotcha" moment. I remember trying to point out some positives about the child's academic work and they didn't want to hear it. It was all very negative and stressful when all I wanted to do was work with the parent in support of the child.

Nobody owes you pleasantries especially during a stressful time. Your focus once you walk in that room should be identifying problems and solutions to help that child. The parent (or child if they are present) should be the lead voice of the meeting, if they find it necessary to interrupt anyone then so be it. Sounds like you weren’t being helpful and they were trying to best utilize the time and keep the focus on identifying concerns and solutions. An advocate is there to help advocate for the child/parent and step in when they need to keep the focus on problems and solutions, it sounds like they did that. If something offended you then you should use it as a learning experience for how to conduct yourself differently next time. A productive IEP will skew negative and stressful in general, so you might need to change your expectations. I hope you keep the bad mouthing of other advocates and parents to yourself though, it’s really not a good look for a teacher.

I'm not the person you are talking to but you are way out of line. Teachers and parents should be a team and there should be respect on both sides. This is part of the problem in SPED right now...acting like educators are the enemy. Parents and teachers should be kind to one another. SMH! Teachers aren't out to get you or your kids. You need to change your attitude.

They are often out to do the bare minimum though; Teachers and staff complain about kids and parents and workload on here all the time. I have a long list of accommodations for my child and only one was ever implemented correctly without having to go back to the teachers during the year. I've had teachers insult me on the first month because they don't think my kid needs their accommodation and they've only known the child for less than 30 days. We still have to work with these teachers and staff for the benefit of our children even if they are rude and judgmental. It is certainly not just a one-sided issue with parents against staff. Many staff think they know what's best for these children based on the first three weeks of school. Even conferences aren't as early as special ed meetings. For anyone to go into a meeting with preconceived ideas of how it will go and how the child is as a whole human is assuming too much about the child and the meeting. People interject all the time. This isn't being very rude. Some people run on and take up the entire meeting. The rest of that teacher's post is just opinion. There was no real out of control behavior and I've seen parents yell at our school before and teachers for that matter too. Some staff has been helpful the whole way for my kid but others while they weren't out to get my kid, weren't out to help my kid either. If teachers and administrators can be that dissatisfied with their job with regular ed kids, they are more than disinterested in working with many special ed kids. Callie should not have published the documents or took them, but there was a reason FCPS was sued and has to pay compensatory services. Perhaps this person Callie is combative and that doesn't help situations she works with, but it also doesn't help families to have their child's private information just given out like this without care. These are two different issues. If this person really was such a bother, why did she get so much information so easily?

Parents complain on here non stop...and yeah we still need to work with you too even when you are rude and condescending. What's your point-you seem all over the place. I think what parents like you forget is schools are not there for just one child. Schools are there for all kids but once there is an IEP parents think teachers owe them the world. NO and you know what I'm a teacher if a parent yells at me they should prepare for me to go back at them-I do not tolerate disrespect and teachers do not work for parents. You seem like you have trouble seeing other sides to things and realizing the world does not revolve around you and your child.

Once there’s an IEP you have a legal obligation to fulfill it. It’s the parent’s job to hold you accountable for fulfillment of IEP Services. You don’t owe them the world but you do owe them respect, communication, and privacy. This school system does not seem to be excelling in any of those areas.

[Anonymous]

The fact that FCPS teachers and staff are defending the actions of FCPS and instead focused on attacking parents that bring advocates to IEP meetings says much about how broken this system actually is. I knew the top tier had to be bad for this to data breach to have happened but I didn’t know the teachers were this big of an issue too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that FCPS teachers and staff are defending the actions of FCPS and instead focused on attacking parents that bring advocates to IEP meetings says much about how broken this system actually is. I knew the top tier had to be bad for this to data breach to have happened but I didn’t know the teachers were this big of an issue too.

Or, people are tired of Oettinger. And just tired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. While I sympathize, this woman has wreaked operational havoc on the schools her children have attended. I know one AP who spent her summer dealing with document requests from her instead of working on things that were needed to open school in the fall.

She was an "advocate" for one of the students in my lower ES class. She and the mom of the child were nasty from the second we sat down in an initial meeting. I typically walk into a meeting and present a pleasant greeting and small talk. Neither would make eye contact, let alone smile. They interrupted and they looked for any opportunity to find a "gotcha" moment. I remember trying to point out some positives about the child's academic work and they didn't want to hear it. It was all very negative and stressful when all I wanted to do was work with the parent in support of the child.

Nobody owes you pleasantries especially during a stressful time. Your focus once you walk in that room should be identifying problems and solutions to help that child. The parent (or child if they are present) should be the lead voice of the meeting, if they find it necessary to interrupt anyone then so be it. Sounds like you weren’t being helpful and they were trying to best utilize the time and keep the focus on identifying concerns and solutions. An advocate is there to help advocate for the child/parent and step in when they need to keep the focus on problems and solutions, it sounds like they did that. If something offended you then you should use it as a learning experience for how to conduct yourself differently next time. A productive IEP will skew negative and stressful in general, so you might need to change your expectations. I hope you keep the bad mouthing of other advocates and parents to yourself though, it’s really not a good look for a teacher.

I'm not the person you are talking to but you are way out of line. Teachers and parents should be a team and there should be respect on both sides. This is part of the problem in SPED right now...acting like educators are the enemy. Parents and teachers should be kind to one another. SMH! Teachers aren't out to get you or your kids. You need to change your attitude.

They are often out to do the bare minimum though; Teachers and staff complain about kids and parents and workload on here all the time. I have a long list of accommodations for my child and only one was ever implemented correctly without having to go back to the teachers during the year. I've had teachers insult me on the first month because they don't think my kid needs their accommodation and they've only known the child for less than 30 days. We still have to work with these teachers and staff for the benefit of our children even if they are rude and judgmental. It is certainly not just a one-sided issue with parents against staff. Many staff think they know what's best for these children based on the first three weeks of school. Even conferences aren't as early as special ed meetings. For anyone to go into a meeting with preconceived ideas of how it will go and how the child is as a whole human is assuming too much about the child and the meeting. People interject all the time. This isn't being very rude. Some people run on and take up the entire meeting. The rest of that teacher's post is just opinion. There was no real out of control behavior and I've seen parents yell at our school before and teachers for that matter too. Some staff has been helpful the whole way for my kid but others while they weren't out to get my kid, weren't out to help my kid either. If teachers and administrators can be that dissatisfied with their job with regular ed kids, they are more than disinterested in working with many special ed kids. Callie should not have published the documents or took them, but there was a reason FCPS was sued and has to pay compensatory services. Perhaps this person Callie is combative and that doesn't help situations she works with, but it also doesn't help families to have their child's private information just given out like this without care. These are two different issues. If this person really was such a bother, why did she get so much information so easily?

Parents complain on here non stop...and yeah we still need to work with you too even when you are rude and condescending. What's your point-you seem all over the place. I think what parents like you forget is schools are not there for just one child. Schools are there for all kids but once there is an IEP parents think teachers owe them the world. NO and you know what I'm a teacher if a parent yells at me they should prepare for me to go back at them-I do not tolerate disrespect and teachers do not work for parents. You seem like you have trouble seeing other sides to things and realizing the world does not revolve around you and your child.

No one yelled in this meeting the teacher referenced so there was no reason to say it was an over the top meeting. I was giving an example of something actually rude. Interrupting may or may not have been rude. No idea. But it isn't overly disrespectful. The teacher is the one who came here to slander Callie and bring this off topic. As someone said before. This is a data breach and FCPS should figure out how to stop this. Have your own I hate parents in IEP meetings, and I hate Callie topics. This topic is about the breach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that FCPS teachers and staff are defending the actions of FCPS and instead focused on attacking parents that bring advocates to IEP meetings says much about how broken this system actually is. I knew the top tier had to be bad for this to data breach to have happened but I didn’t know the teachers were this big of an issue too.

Do you really think "the top tier" was involved in the meeting where Oettinger walked out with all sorts of other people's documents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. While I sympathize, this woman has wreaked operational havoc on the schools her children have attended. I know one AP who spent her summer dealing with document requests from her instead of working on things that were needed to open school in the fall.

She was an "advocate" for one of the students in my lower ES class. She and the mom of the child were nasty from the second we sat down in an initial meeting. I typically walk into a meeting and present a pleasant greeting and small talk. Neither would make eye contact, let alone smile. They interrupted and they looked for any opportunity to find a "gotcha" moment. I remember trying to point out some positives about the child's academic work and they didn't want to hear it. It was all very negative and stressful when all I wanted to do was work with the parent in support of the child.

Nobody owes you pleasantries especially during a stressful time. Your focus once you walk in that room should be identifying problems and solutions to help that child. The parent (or child if they are present) should be the lead voice of the meeting, if they find it necessary to interrupt anyone then so be it. Sounds like you weren’t being helpful and they were trying to best utilize the time and keep the focus on identifying concerns and solutions. An advocate is there to help advocate for the child/parent and step in when they need to keep the focus on problems and solutions, it sounds like they did that. If something offended you then you should use it as a learning experience for how to conduct yourself differently next time. A productive IEP will skew negative and stressful in general, so you might need to change your expectations. I hope you keep the bad mouthing of other advocates and parents to yourself though, it’s really not a good look for a teacher.

I'm not the person you are talking to but you are way out of line. Teachers and parents should be a team and there should be respect on both sides. This is part of the problem in SPED right now...acting like educators are the enemy. Parents and teachers should be kind to one another. SMH! Teachers aren't out to get you or your kids. You need to change your attitude.

They are often out to do the bare minimum though; Teachers and staff complain about kids and parents and workload on here all the time. I have a long list of accommodations for my child and only one was ever implemented correctly without having to go back to the teachers during the year. I've had teachers insult me on the first month because they don't think my kid needs their accommodation and they've only known the child for less than 30 days. We still have to work with these teachers and staff for the benefit of our children even if they are rude and judgmental. It is certainly not just a one-sided issue with parents against staff. Many staff think they know what's best for these children based on the first three weeks of school. Even conferences aren't as early as special ed meetings. For anyone to go into a meeting with preconceived ideas of how it will go and how the child is as a whole human is assuming too much about the child and the meeting. People interject all the time. This isn't being very rude. Some people run on and take up the entire meeting. The rest of that teacher's post is just opinion. There was no real out of control behavior and I've seen parents yell at our school before and teachers for that matter too. Some staff has been helpful the whole way for my kid but others while they weren't out to get my kid, weren't out to help my kid either. If teachers and administrators can be that dissatisfied with their job with regular ed kids, they are more than disinterested in working with many special ed kids. Callie should not have published the documents or took them, but there was a reason FCPS was sued and has to pay compensatory services. Perhaps this person Callie is combative and that doesn't help situations she works with, but it also doesn't help families to have their child's private information just given out like this without care. These are two different issues. If this person really was such a bother, why did she get so much information so easily?

Parents complain on here non stop...and yeah we still need to work with you too even when you are rude and condescending. What's your point-you seem all over the place. I think what parents like you forget is schools are not there for just one child. Schools are there for all kids but once there is an IEP parents think teachers owe them the world. NO and you know what I'm a teacher if a parent yells at me they should prepare for me to go back at them-I do not tolerate disrespect and teachers do not work for parents. You seem like you have trouble seeing other sides to things and realizing the world does not revolve around you and your child.

No one yelled in this meeting the teacher referenced so there was no reason to say it was an over the top meeting. I was giving an example of something actually rude. Interrupting may or may not have been rude. No idea. But it isn't overly disrespectful. The teacher is the one who came here to slander Callie and bring this off topic. As someone said before. This is a data breach and FCPS should figure out how to stop this. Have your own I hate parents in IEP meetings, and I hate Callie topics. This topic is about the breach.

The anonymous teacher gave an anecdote about when she actually met her. The rest of us can only go by this and previous public information about her. You can insist that discussing Oettinger is off topic but you're wrong. This thread is about her and how she received other people's documents that FCPS failed to secure properly and then published them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that FCPS teachers and staff are defending the actions of FCPS and instead focused on attacking parents that bring advocates to IEP meetings says much about how broken this system actually is. I knew the top tier had to be bad for this to data breach to have happened but I didn’t know the teachers were this big of an issue too.

Do you really think "the top tier" was involved in the meeting where Oettinger walked out with all sorts of other people's documents?

I’m sure the top tier could have implemented password protected files if they cared at all about student privacy.

I don’t know who gave her 35,000 files that didn’t belong to her own child. Do you? I think many parents would like that answer.

[Anonymous]

Are the records visible now on the web? Can one see if their data is in the list?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Special needs parents are going to bleed public schools dry.

I’m sure some people here will be mad at me for saying this, but I’m going to go ahead and say it. I think some parents are frustrated and upset that their child has struggles and it’s easier to direct those feelings outward in the form of anger at teachers and schools, than to come to terms with the reality that there’s only going to be so much that anyone can do to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are the records visible now on the web? Can one see if their data is in the list?

https://specialeducationaction.com/whats-new-in-fairfax-county-public-schools-legal-invoices-court-cases-noncompliance-closed-meeting-minutes-toxic-emails-and-the-failure-to-secure-the-privacy-of-35000-students/

It appears most files have been redacted for privacy.

I’d contact Michelle Reid, superintendent, to determine if your child’s files were compromised.

[Anonymous]

There is a spreadsheet that lists every kid in the county with an IEP and 504 so if your child falls into one of those categories- you are part of the breach of data.

Also, who else has this spreadsheet and why was it ever created?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Special needs parents are going to bleed public schools dry.

I’m sure some people here will be mad at me for saying this, but I’m going to go ahead and say it. I think some parents are frustrated and upset that their child has struggles and it’s easier to direct those feelings outward in the form of anger at teachers and schools, than to come to terms with the reality that there’s only going to be so much that anyone can do to help.

This is completely off topic from the data breech but no that is not the case. We are talking about a data breach not money and we dont need to justify spending to talk about it. You seem upset sbout spending which is why you are derailing the topic. Many parents have to take care of these children into adulthood and their entire lives. The government wont help at least half of them. You have no idea what youvsre talking about. In my experience I was shocked how hard it was to get anything done. As a business model, they woukd be out of business if there was another school system in town. The first year the school and I came up with a list for my child that matched the neuropysch testing and each year after I had to fight just to get anything done on it. Teachers would lie and say things were great and no support needed till end of first quarter when things would become an emergency. Flip flop like this every year. Except at the middle school where the plan was fulfilled without a second thought and the private school where some of the list was part of every day. If one school can fulfill a list without fanfare then its the school that cant which is the problem. Public school employees really can be that bad and it's pretty obvious here that they don't know how to complete a foia request. Many fcps employees, I hate to say it, but are not that bright. Maybe they were special ed as well
Maybe you should focus your monetary frustration towards this employee that couldn't keep our kids records private. Would you want your kids records released like this?

[Anonymous]

There is mention of fcps giving services related to popularity and connections in the community. Where is that data coming from in the breeched documents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a spreadsheet that lists every kid in the county with an IEP and 504 so if your child falls into one of those categories- you are part of the breach of data.

Also, who else has this spreadsheet and why was it ever created?

If such a spreadsheet exists, it was probably created to track compliance with the OCR agreement that required every kid with an IEP or 504 to be considered for compensatory services.

[Anonymous]

The spreadsheet exists. I am sure it is not OCRs fault.