White flight from MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This.

I think MoCo and mcps are finally starting to realize they have a problem.

Second generation immigrants are frustrated with their neighborhoods seeing an influx of newcomers who are bringing the criminal element and bad behavior they fled.

I can’t tell you how many Latinos I saw at private school open houses recently.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This.

I think MoCo and mcps are finally starting to realize they have a problem.

Second generation immigrants are frustrated with their neighborhoods seeing an influx of newcomers who are bringing the criminal element and bad behavior they fled.

I can’t tell you how many Latinos I saw at private school open houses recently.

I think this is a factually correct statement. But not in the sense you meant.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This.

I think MoCo and mcps are finally starting to realize they have a problem.

Second generation immigrants are frustrated with their neighborhoods seeing an influx of newcomers who are bringing the criminal element and bad behavior they fled.

I can’t tell you how many Latinos I saw at private school open houses recently.

I think this is a factually correct statement. But not in the sense you meant.

The sense I meant: Latinos are frustrated with the crime and criminal element creeping into their neighborhoods. Those with the economic wherewithal are striving to move away from certain MoCo neighborhoods and/or put their kids in private schools…regardless of the price or location. (I’m talking about pricey high schools.)

Latino families don’t want their kids in schools that have an overwhelming majority of Latino students.

Fun fact (and perhaps what is driving MoCo to wake up): Latinos tend to work under the table and the county’s tax base is suffering. We have more people (including students) yet far less tax revenue. We have a financial problem on top of everything else.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This.

I think MoCo and mcps are finally starting to realize they have a problem.

Second generation immigrants are frustrated with their neighborhoods seeing an influx of newcomers who are bringing the criminal element and bad behavior they fled.

I can’t tell you how many Latinos I saw at private school open houses recently.

I think this is a factually correct statement. But not in the sense you meant.

The sense I meant: Latinos are frustrated with the crime and criminal element creeping into their neighborhoods. Those with the economic wherewithal are striving to move away from certain MoCo neighborhoods and/or put their kids in private schools…regardless of the price or location. (I’m talking about pricey high schools.)

Latino families don’t want their kids in schools that have an overwhelming majority of Latino students.

Fun fact (and perhaps what is driving MoCo to wake up): Latinos tend to work under the table and the county’s tax base is suffering. We have more people (including students) yet far less tax revenue. We have a financial problem on top of everything else.

maybe that's why they keep increasing our property taxes

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually every person I know from Mexico and South America are amazing, highly educated, wonderful people. They are cultured, family people, and tremendously value education. So there can't be a problem just because of an increase in "hispanic" people.

Is this sharp rise in the MCPS hispanic population actually due to illegal immigration of poor and/or violent people from central america? If so this is definitely a broader society problem and blame can be placed on on federal government for it's open border polices.

If you read between the lines of the BOE meeting, it seems we’re getting an influx of the latter and not the former.

ICYMI: an 18 year old Latina was murdered by 3 other latinos (teens) this may and the killers were recently arrested. They cut off her head with a machete and dumped the body in a wooded area near a park in Olney.

It barely made the news.

^^^This is in our local schools. It’s a gang problem with rampant violence. It’s why many of them allegedly left Central America.

A person was beheaded in a local school? How did I miss that?

I think the poster is attempting to link this to MCPS even though it isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

DCC HS teacher here. This is absolutely true. Kids are glued to their phones all day long. It is a huge struggle every single day to get students to focus in class. My AP students are good about putting their phones away but kids in regular classes are completely impossible.
I am mad at MCPS that they won’t take a tough stance on phones.

It actually isn't true. They prohibit phone use at our DCC school and confiscate those that are used during school hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

DCC HS teacher here. This is absolutely true. Kids are glued to their phones all day long. It is a huge struggle every single day to get students to focus in class. My AP students are good about putting their phones away but kids in regular classes are completely impossible.
I am mad at MCPS that they won’t take a tough stance on phones.

It actually isn't true. They prohibit phone use at our DCC school and confiscate those that are used during school hours.

Again, please name the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

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Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

Clarksburg High School does this? They didn't used to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine came here legally many years ago. Your point?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

DCC HS teacher here. This is absolutely true. Kids are glued to their phones all day long. It is a huge struggle every single day to get students to focus in class. My AP students are good about putting their phones away but kids in regular classes are completely impossible.
I am mad at MCPS that they won’t take a tough stance on phones.

It actually isn't true. They prohibit phone use at our DCC school and confiscate those that are used during school hours.

Again, please name the school.

Only when I get a list of which DCC schools offer Algebra to 6th graders.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

So does TPMS

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

DCC HS teacher here. This is absolutely true. Kids are glued to their phones all day long. It is a huge struggle every single day to get students to focus in class. My AP students are good about putting their phones away but kids in regular classes are completely impossible.
I am mad at MCPS that they won’t take a tough stance on phones.

It actually isn't true. They prohibit phone use at our DCC school and confiscate those that are used during school hours.

Again, please name the school.

Only when I get a list of which DCC schools offer Algebra to 6th graders.

Fake news then, I thought so!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

Yes, but the people who want to "build a wall" don't want you here, either. Remember Trump's, "They are all rapists and murderers.. some are good, I guess."

How should MCPS or MoCo determine who is acceptable? More than likely, the people who are complaining about this situation would look at your family and not want you here, either. These folks aren't exactly discerning.

I am anti Trump and sure, there are racists out there who may not like me because I am Hispanic. Buy, many of the build a wall people don’t want delinquents, known gang members and criminals coming through. Neither do I. These are the same people we fled from. And maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but you seem to think that all of us came up through the Rio Grande, who would’ve been stopped by a wall. You’re wrong. Many of us came up legally with our documents and her papers. But that’s a discussion for another forum, another day.