How can we make DC streets bicycle and pedestrian-only?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s an average of one — ONE — cyclist death per year in Washington DC. That’s out of billions of trips taken. Get a grip. There’s literally 200 times as many murders every single year and you’re not worried about being murdered are you?

Probably more Washingtonians killed each year by lightning

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

I don't think it was an accident that they chose nationwide statistics for the first two, rather than focusing on our more diverse area

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

I don't think it was an accident that they chose nationwide statistics for the first two, rather than focusing on our more diverse area

LOL.

In “our more diverse area”, 1% of Black workers and 2% of Hispanic workers use bicycles are their primary mode of transportation to get to work. Compared to 6% of white workers. When you consider the comparative workforce demographics, the gap widens further.
https://www.mwcog.org/file.aspx?D=HcOqbzivuFayTfyAlhvUJhe72nkkosOrz2TZl%2bOlFXE%3d&A=3b5jlNJv7k8i9DmLKmqJ5c9bgLZ451b3R0E2zs1pReQ%3d

So in response to these facts will you delete the post or get all crazy emotional again? Absolutely insane.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

I don't think it was an accident that they chose nationwide statistics for the first two, rather than focusing on our more diverse area

LOL.

In “our more diverse area”, 1% of Black workers and 2% of Hispanic workers use bicycles are their primary mode of transportation to get to work. Compared to 6% of white workers. When you consider the comparative workforce demographics, the gap widens further.
https://www.mwcog.org/file.aspx?D=HcOqbzivuFayTfyAlhvUJhe72nkkosOrz2TZl%2bOlFXE%3d&A=3b5jlNJv7k8i9DmLKmqJ5c9bgLZ451b3R0E2zs1pReQ%3d

So in response to these facts will you delete the post or get all crazy emotional again? Absolutely insane.

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

I don't think it was an accident that they chose nationwide statistics for the first two, rather than focusing on our more diverse area

LOL.

In “our more diverse area”, 1% of Black workers and 2% of Hispanic workers use bicycles are their primary mode of transportation to get to work. Compared to 6% of white workers. When you consider the comparative workforce demographics, the gap widens further.
https://www.mwcog.org/file.aspx?D=HcOqbzivuFayTfyAlhvUJhe72nkkosOrz2TZl%2bOlFXE%3d&A=3b5jlNJv7k8i9DmLKmqJ5c9bgLZ451b3R0E2zs1pReQ%3d

So in response to these facts will you delete the post or get all crazy emotional again? Absolutely insane.

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Alcohol and/or marijuana use while biking is the most likely explanation.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Just for sh!ts and giggles, answer me this question:

You’re moving from somewhere you previously lived to this new car-free utopia called DC. How do you get all your stuff - your furniture, your clothes, your housewares, your library/office, all the “stuff” that people have in a home - how do you get all that stuff to your new digs on the 1300 block of P st NW?

Because moving vans won’t be exempt.

So how are you going to move here - or away - with your stuff?

You better have one hell of a big cargo bike.

People do move house with cargo bikes. That is a thing people do. Depending on how much stuff you have, it takes multiple trips and/or multiple people. For basically every example of "you can't move X on a bike!" you can think of, there is a photo on the internet of someone moving X on a bike.

Omg. Get your twee self to amsterdam! I live in downtown, with kids who go to school across the city. One takes metro. The other needs to be dropped by car. There’s no bus route to bring her and it’s too far and honestly too dangerous to bike. I do agree there should be some limits on big trucks. Ive seen a giant grocery truck (big rig) attempt a three point turn on 17th street near the Dupont Safeway. It wasnt pretty. Ive also seen huge trucks fly out of the Wegmans underground parking on CT. How would they get through on narrow alleys?

And Ive witnessed so many clueless people on bikes and scooters amble like bumble bee into traffic lanes at rush hour. Learn to coexist with cars and be aware, or else you could be the next casualty.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

I don't think it was an accident that they chose nationwide statistics for the first two, rather than focusing on our more diverse area

LOL.

In “our more diverse area”, 1% of Black workers and 2% of Hispanic workers use bicycles are their primary mode of transportation to get to work. Compared to 6% of white workers. When you consider the comparative workforce demographics, the gap widens further.
https://www.mwcog.org/file.aspx?D=HcOqbzivuFayTfyAlhvUJhe72nkkosOrz2TZl%2bOlFXE%3d&A=3b5jlNJv7k8i9DmLKmqJ5c9bgLZ451b3R0E2zs1pReQ%3d

So in response to these facts will you delete the post or get all crazy emotional again? Absolutely insane.

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

First of all, where’s your data? But second, this is totally nonsensical. What is the point you are trying to prove?

There are multiple points of data to confirm that the modal cyclist in our area is a white man. Do you think the Census Bureau American Community Survey, the National Household Travel Survey by the US Department of Transportation and Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments annual Commuter Survey are fake news? Seriously, what is your point? It’s not clear to me and probably not even clear to you either.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s an average of one — ONE — cyclist death per year in Washington DC. That’s out of billions of trips taken. Get a grip. There’s literally 200 times as many murders every single year and you’re not worried about being murdered are you?

Probably more Washingtonians killed each year by lightning

The typical number of people killed by lightning in DC in any given year is 0.

2022 however was an outlier. 3 people died by lightning, which is the same as the number of cyclists who died.

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Again...

Last July alone there were five people killed by cars in DC (or just outside of it in one case), four on bikes, one on foot. 2 were white women in their 40s, two were older black guys, the guy on foot was also an older black guy.

In 2023 we have installed 3 ghost bikes, two for older black guys EOTR and one for a nonbinary younger guy of eastern European background.

Get real. You are living in an imaginary world.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Citation needed.

But again, I am not even sure what you are arguing. Can you please explain what point you are trying to make because I’m lost.

Here are basic facts that you seem to have a serious problem facing.

1. The vast majority of cyclists in the US (70%) are men.

2. The vast majority of cyclists in the US are white (81%).

3. In the DC region, very few Black people use bicycles to commute to work (1%).

Just facts.

Lastly, to address your ridiculous rhetorical question, how many deaths of any type are too many? Pick a category.

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you? Would 2 be enough to justify bike lanes, in your mind? How about 10? How about 50?

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

I don't think it was an accident that they chose nationwide statistics for the first two, rather than focusing on our more diverse area

LOL.

In “our more diverse area”, 1% of Black workers and 2% of Hispanic workers use bicycles are their primary mode of transportation to get to work. Compared to 6% of white workers. When you consider the comparative workforce demographics, the gap widens further.
https://www.mwcog.org/file.aspx?D=HcOqbzivuFayTfyAlhvUJhe72nkkosOrz2TZl%2bOlFXE%3d&A=3b5jlNJv7k8i9DmLKmqJ5c9bgLZ451b3R0E2zs1pReQ%3d

So in response to these facts will you delete the post or get all crazy emotional again? Absolutely insane.

If supposedly most bicyclists are white men, why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

Alcohol and/or marijuana use while biking is the most likely explanation.

Wow. You are a real piece of victim blaming work. Black man on a bike run over in a cross walk? Must have been drunk/high. Do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning and wonder why you're a lonely basement dweller?

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s an average of one — ONE — cyclist death per year in Washington DC. That’s out of billions of trips taken. Get a grip. There’s literally 200 times as many murders every single year and you’re not worried about being murdered are you?

Again...

Last July alone there were five people killed by cars in DC (or just outside of it in one case), four on bikes, one on foot. 2 were white women in their 40s, two were older black guys, the guy on foot was also an older black guy.

In 2023 we have installed 3 ghost bikes, two for older black guys EOTR and one for a nonbinary younger guy of eastern European background.

Get real. You are living in an imaginary world.

LOL. You’re still at it. Absolutely insane.

Everyone can look up the official stats that DDOT conveniently makes available in a nice geospatial data portal.

Invent whatever reality that you want, but there is an actual real world that exists and here there has been 1 bicyclist fatality in DC thus far in 2023 and 3 in 2022.

Why do you continue to do this? Who do you think you’re fooling?

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Again...

Last July alone there were five people killed by cars in DC (or just outside of it in one case), four on bikes, one on foot. 2 were white women in their 40s, two were older black guys, the guy on foot was also an older black guy.

In 2023 we have installed 3 ghost bikes, two for older black guys EOTR and one for a nonbinary younger guy of eastern European background.

Get real. You are living in an imaginary world.

LOL. You’re still at it. Absolutely insane.

Everyone can look up the official stats that DDOT conveniently makes available in a nice geospatial data portal.

Invent whatever reality that you want, but there is an actual real world that exists and here there has been 1 bicyclist fatality in DC thus far in 2023 and 3 in 2022.

Why do you continue to do this? Who do you think you’re fooling?

Why do you chide in your posts? Fooling? I've stated pretty clearly before and will do so again.

You're discounting a person who was killed 1 mile outside DC on the NW in 2022 on River Rd coming off of a traditional DC-area commuter path (CCT) who was commuting from her job in the city on a bike. I said we have installed 3 ghost bikes this year - two in the city, one outside in PG. You're also discounting a person this year because they were shot during road rage and another because they died on the SE side in PG county.

Women or black men nearly all for the last two years. No white dudes. So, tell me again mr. anon internet poster? Bike lanes and bicycle safety improvements are all just for MAMIL?